# 1 month in - am I doing something wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 11, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793 "2009-06-11T17:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![B.W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@B.W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/B.W)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/1 "2009-06-11T17:27:22Z")
Hello all, Pheromone Padawan here who needs some advice. I bought the following Pheromones about a month ago. A314 Turn Up The Heat (came free with the A314) Instant Openess Ammunition [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to go (came free with the Ammunition) Now, I made sure that I read all of the noob bootcamp stuff first. Also, I did not head down the route of a multiple spray pheromone overload fest and started with a small amount. I have mixed products - i.e trying a little openess with some ammunition, but have also focused on single use - Ammunition being the main test over the past week or so. The thing is, I have yet to see any reaction from any of the products I have tested, either with other people or with myself. This applies to people I know and strangers. After seemingly getting nothing from a low dosage I have gradually ramped up the sprays to see if anything would happen. For example, I used 4 sprays of ammunition yesterday after not seeing any results further down the spray scale. Still nothing! Now I appreciate that the pheromones are not there to do all of the work for me, but I would have expected _some_ response or behavioural change. I have not lost heart, but have to admit to being a little frustrated, particularly as I have tried to be analytical in terms of how many sprays I use. I guess I am not doing something right so thought it better to open it up to more experienced forum users who could perhaps give me some advice. Needless to say, I am happy to take a few steps back and start from scratch if it means getting it right. Also, just a few questions which I have looked for but which I can’t find. 1. Can you overlap pheromoners? I.e, if you spray ammunition onto your neck, would you be cancelling the effect of the former if you then sprayed another pheromone on top? 2. Is there an accepted range at which pheromones are seen to be effective? 2ft, 3ft, 6ft etc? 3. When the smell goes is the pheromone still working? 4. What the bloody hell is the sweet spot? 5. Am I expecting too much? Don’t think I am, but I was expecting something. Oh, and if it is useful, I am a 34 year old white male and physically fit(ish) Thanks is advance. If all else fails I guess I could always drink my bottle of Turn up the Heat and fart pheromones. B.W ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/2 "2009-06-11T17:54:26Z")
well lets see Answers: 1. yes you can, it kind of time lapses it, and spray as a vin diagram half on half off of each other. 2. Less than 10 feet usually, if they are within 3 feet… they are feeling it good. 3. from 4-6 hours after 4 hours it is a whisper. 4. a sweet spot is where blood flows under the skin allowing heat transfer to warm the pheros for maximum dispersal. 5. You will learn to pickup on more than you are used to with time. Read and re-read the IOI’s post -DJ ---
**Author:** ![B.W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@B.W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/B.W)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/3 "2009-06-11T18:03:30Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > well lets see Lol - the size of your [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) stash aside, I have scanned your journal and it seems that you are using a fair bit in terms of total sprays. I assumed that younger guys such as yourself needed to use less. As such, would it be fair to assume that as someone who has 10 years on you I should be ramping up the dosage a little as my natural pheromone signature is likely to be less? ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/4 "2009-06-11T18:33:01Z")
1. Can you overlap pheromoners? I.e, if you spray ammunition onto your neck, would you be cancelling the effect of the former if you then sprayed another pheromone on top? **certainly. many people use a daily “base mix” and then layer some toys on top of that depending on what results are desired.** 1. Is there an accepted range at which [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are seen to be effective? 2ft, 3ft, 6ft etc? **shameless self plug here but it’s a good read:** [perception vs. reality: a test on how far mixes actually carry](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perception-vs-reality-a-test-on-how-far-mixes-actually-carry/29617) **general rule is 6 feet is immediate, 12-15 feet is the max. good segue to question 3…** 1. When the smell goes is the pheromone still working? **yes. my test above was based only on smell. the pheros could’ve reached much farther. the reason for the scent is that people can associate a feeling with it. still try to stay within 6 feet though.** 1. What the bloody hell is the sweet spot? **it is the dose at which you experience the greatest effects. i’m a young guy and my targets are my age, so for example, 1 spray of ammo is good enough for me. that would be my sweet spot. if i were a bit older, or trying to attract older targets, maybe my sweet spot would be 2 sprays. it is found after testing.** 1. Am I expecting too much? Don’t think I am, but I was expecting something. **no. your best bet is to go clean for a few days, then start a journal of hits. (best around people you haven’t used pheros with lately or at all) take note of how people react, how you act, etc. then start with one spray of one phero, your choice. record the day. next day, two sprays, same phero, etc. repeat until you find the sweet spot for each phero individually (usually the dose right before you notice effects diminish or level out). then begin to find your sweet spot for layers.** **you probably know how to record hits. the important thing is to record hits when you’re clean. this way you have a base to compare to. a tiny smile from somebody may not mean much, but if that person has never smiled at you, then you’re onto something.** ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/5 "2009-06-11T18:35:48Z")
> [@B.W](#): > > I assumed that younger guys such as yourself needed to use less. yes and no. for the social pheros, a user of any age can layer on as much or little as wanted. for the attraction pheros, particularly with -none, it comes down to the age and sometimes race of the target(s). ---
**Author:** ![Experimator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/experimator/32/1015_2.png) [@Experimator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Experimator)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/6 "2009-06-11T18:38:10Z")
> [@B.W](#): > > 1. Can you overlap pheromoners? I.e, if you spray ammunition onto your neck, would you be cancelling the effect of the former if you then sprayed another pheromone on top? > B.W Yes you can overlap. I have overlapped Ammo with IS, IH. There is no cancelling of effect. Ammo has a few different pheros in it. A314 has 17 different pheros in it. Mixing and spraying is common. Some experts here have even made their own compositions with standard pheros. So, go ahead and spray over each other but be careful of OD. > [@B.W](#): > > 1. Is there an accepted range at which pheromones are seen to be effective? 2ft, 3ft, 6ft etc? > B.W The more close the person is to you, the more he/she will be inhaling your pheros. 3-4 feet seems to be ideal. I have observed people getting affected even when they are 10 feet away (ofcourse it was a closed room and took about 3-5 mins before my scent travelled to them). > [@B.W](#): > > 1. When the smell goes is the pheromone still working? > B.W Very good question. Yes, the pheros are still working even if the smell has gone away. Some products like IS, IO, IH have very light smell and it goes away in 30-60 mins. However, I can attest to the fact that the pheros continue to do their work several hours after that. The only thing is that if you sweat a lot or are in a ver ywindy area then you are washing them down. The effect will last less in such cases. > [@B.W](#): > > 1. What the bloody hell is the sweet spot? > B.W Sweet spot is the amount of phero you need to reach the highest effectivness. For example, someone applies 1 drop of A314 and notices no effect. At 2 drops people start to pay attention and give more respect to him. But when he applies 3 drops people start to avoid him. So, basically 2 drops is a sweet spot for him. > [@B.W](#): > > 1. Am I expecting too much? Don’t think I am, but I was expecting something. > B.W If you really wanna prove to yourself that pheros work, then try a simple test. Apply 4-6 sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) on your wrists and chat with your friends. They will probably talk you to death. A314 and Ammo are my favorites. I top these with a couple sprays of IS. ---
**Author:** ![B.W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@B.W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/B.W)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/7 "2009-06-11T19:18:24Z")
Thanks Guys, very useful posts. I have been clean for the past 2 days and I am out and about tomorrow, so it would be a useful point to start over. As I said, I am bought into the concept of pheromone use as a social/attraction/business tool, but having read a few of threads on here I was expecting something a little more tangible. I know that patience is the key, but a backtrack given that I am so early into pheromone use is not going to hurt. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/8 "2009-06-11T19:28:48Z")
Hey BW. Dj, Jay and Yash are pretty much dead on. Here is something I posted a long time ago for a guy who was having a lot of trouble with “hits”. I don’t really like the term so much anymore, I think we are looking for a lot more than a split second indicator of someones inner mind, but this seemed to help the guy I posted it for Maybe DJ, Yash and Jay can relate and help refine the premise. I was just wondering how things were going for you. I know you’ve been looking for “big hits”. I hope they happen for you. It’s good you’ve had some results from [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) at work. One thing I would note, the good stuff happens when you are “doing things”. By that I don’t mean walking around looking for people who may be looking at you. Now let’s say that you have 2 sprays of [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) on and you are grocery shopping. Somebody backs into a can goods display and knocks a half dozen cans in the floor and you stop to help them pick them up. That’s when the hit will happen. It may be from the person you stop to help, it may be from someone who stops to watch you pick up cans. If you look at a lot of the hit reports I think you’ll start to pick up a pattern that hits come from people who connect with you in some small way. Usually that connection comes from an action. We go through life sifting the world around us for the out of the ordinary. If you walk around the mall, you’re doing nothing out of the ordinary, hence nobody notices anything special about you even if you’re wearing tons of pheromones. If you stop to pick up cans that’s something people will notice, then its a short step for their senses to pick up the unusual phero signature, and another short step to react to it. Hang in there BW and I hope this helps! ---
**Author:** ![Experimator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/experimator/32/1015_2.png) [@Experimator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Experimator)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/9 "2009-06-11T20:08:00Z")
Renny gave some very good examples. The wearer of pheros needs to take at least one small step forward to get himself noticed. Wearing A314 in an interview will not do much if I dont show my knowledge. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) will not get girls running around me unless I say hello to them. Instant Opennes will not open up the stranger sitting next to me on its own unless I say ‘nice weather outside’. The idea is to put our step forward first and then go with the flow with strangers. People whom you know are already observing a change in you but haven’t expressed it yet or maybe you missed noticing the subtle change. Some people on this forum have had strangers comeup to them and say that they smell so nice. Well, in my case even my wife did NOT say that to me. So, one evening I asked her if she was able to smell my sweat in the shirt. Instead she said that I have been smelling so good these days. See…I didn’t know that she felt the difference until I asked explicitly. Its easy to get disheartened when we put pheros and expect the sales girl to notice our butts but instead she keeps herself busy arranging the pile of clothes. If I really want her to notice me then I would just walk up to her and ask her some stupid question. Occasionally you may see that the girl behind the counter is too nice to you. YOu may think that you just made a hit and she is totally into you. But she is only doing her job. However, she may go out of the way to accomodate you if you have a special request compared to the guy next to you because you are wearing the pheros. The effects are very subtle and easily ignored but you are getting more attention than others. I used to wear pheros in the morning and take the train to city. The train used to be packed. I’d sit next to women but nothing out of the ordinary happened ever. I was so disappointed and thought that pheros are not working. Completely frustrated. Then one day I was going to city, same train, same group of people and I realized that I forgot to bring my wallet. I simply said that I forgot to bring my wallet to the train conductor and a couple of people offered to use their 10 ride ticket for me. Never expected that. My point is that dont lose your heart. Use pheros in proper settings and lead your life with confidence that you are already one of those who have an edge over others. ---
**Author:** ![Elaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Elaye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elaye)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/10 "2009-06-11T20:22:33Z")
I would say, before you start looking for reactions from other people, to instead understand how you yourself react to pheromones. Once you start recognizing how they effect you in all their intricacies, then apply that knowledge to understanding how others might react. Seriously, reactions can be nice and objective, but also subjectively deep and hidden. If I could be more pretentious, I would say sportin’ pheromones is a form of art. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/11 "2009-06-11T20:30:12Z")
Stop wearing pheromones for awhile, a vacation so to speak from them and then begin to REALLY read the people around you and how they act with you. Then after doing so, wear your pheromones again then do the same. I am sure that then you will see a difference, so do this alternating sequence for awhile and you will begin to see what pheromones have really been doing for you all along. Also read the IOI thread, to tell what hits are like. So to put it in short, your people watching skills have to be up to par so you can help identify hits even better, then you will truly _see the difference_. ---
**Author:** ![B.W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@B.W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/B.W)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/12 "2009-06-12T17:25:06Z")
Thanks everyone, some really interesting insights here. The ‘trigger’ approach has given me a different perspective on how I might look at the use of pheromones differently and combine it with day to day usage. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/13 "2009-06-12T18:50:35Z")
The thing that it makes me think, when people use pheromones at moderate and even higher doses (4 sprays of Ammo is a pretty good dose, for instance) is that they don’t yet have a grasp on how to read body language, or perhaps they need more training with noticing how people respond. I was like that at first… was astounded to discover just how much was being “said” to me by women once I learned to pay attention in the right ways, and understand the “conversation”. ---
**Author:** ![Experimator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/experimator/32/1015_2.png) [@Experimator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Experimator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2009, 11:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-month-in-am-i-doing-something-wrong/29793/14 "2009-06-13T11:25:17Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > The thing that it makes me think, when people use pheromones at moderate and even higher doses (4 sprays of Ammo is a pretty good dose, for instance) is that they don’t yet have a grasp on how to read body language, or perhaps they need more training with noticing how people respond. I was like that at first… was astounded to discover just how much was being “said” to me by women once I learned to pay attention in the right ways, and understand the “conversation”. catlord17, youre the boss! I have learnt a lot from your posts on how to read people. Just wanted to thank you.