# 100% (PS) Panty Scorcher : MX331-334 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123 "2009-07-30T14:28:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/241 "2009-08-07T18:51:47Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > Mine just shipped. But the estimated delivery date is Monday. Curse you, Fedex! Why isn’t it on my doorstep already!? I am currently just a few miles away and though it shipped today, I will get it on Tuesday! It generally takes 3-4 days for me because everything goes to TN first and then back here. In LA, UPS ground is essentially overnight from LA to LA. I’m happy, AD, I’m just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/242 "2009-08-07T18:59:15Z")
Few points to make. First, PS is designed to be at it’s most effective at 3 sprays, but 2 and 4 have been observed to produce good results in some cases, and 5 has produced good results in some cases, too. Nobody has tested it over 5 sprays, and I see no reason to suggest that would be necessary. Second, I tried to balance reporting results with not creating an impossible to deliver on hype. I think it’s unfair to try it out once or twice, not see women experience spontaneous lobotomies, and decide it was just hype. TEST IT! And last but not least, I tried to design it so that OD is impossible under 6 sprays, and if you wear too much it will only have the effect of reducing the desired effects, without causing undesired effects. ---
**Author:** ![subVerse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@subVerse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/subVerse)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/243 "2009-08-07T23:32:15Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Few points to make. > > First, PS is designed to be at it’s most effective at 3 sprays, but 2 and 4 have been observed to produce good results in some cases, and 5 has produced good results in some cases, too. Nobody has tested it over 5 sprays, and I see no reason to suggest that would be necessary. > > Second, I tried to balance reporting results with not creating an impossible to deliver on hype. I think it’s unfair to try it out once or twice, not see women experience spontaneous lobotomies, and decide it was just hype. TEST IT! > > And last but not least, I tried to design it so that OD is impossible under 6 sprays, and if you wear too much it will only have the effect of reducing the desired effects, without causing undesired effects. Thanks for the baseline to go from and what you expect of us testing wise. I’ve been trying to steer clear of most of the posts related to this pack, hoping to head off any preconceived notions about performance I may develop. Can’t wait to try it. ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/244 "2009-08-07T23:46:14Z")
> [@subVerse](#): > > Thanks for the baseline to go from and what you expect of us testing wise. > I’ve been trying to steer clear of most of the posts related to this pack, hoping to head off any preconceived notions about performance I may develop. Can’t wait to try it. Some of us will try to make this test run as unbiased as possible. Besides, some of us don’t believe it till we sees it!!!😉 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/245 "2009-08-08T00:00:23Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > Some of us will try to make this test run as unbiased as possible. Besides, some of us don’t believe it till we sees it!!!😉 The best approach, I think, is to have a neutral stand point. Disbelief is sometimes just as bad as blind belief. Just approach without any preconceived notions or expectations, and allow it to show itself to you. ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/246 "2009-08-08T00:07:15Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > The best approach, I think, is to have a neutral stand point. Disbelief is sometimes just as bad as blind belief. Just approach without any preconceived notions or expectations, and allow it to show itself to you. I walked into the world of pheromones neutral. For the most part. Had it not been for some serious OD’s I may have debunked the science. But I believed in Newton. Seriously. If girls ran,(moved far away), they would attract. This I have seen. 🙂 I don’t believe what anyone reports on these forums in the sense that we are all different. What works for one may not for another. But thanks CL for the baseline though. I’ll be diligent. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/247 "2009-08-08T02:52:45Z")
> [@peregrine](#): > > I walked into the world of pheromones neutral. For the most part. Had it not been for some serious OD’s I may have debunked the science. But I believed in Newton. Seriously. If girls ran,(moved far away), they would attract. This I have seen. 🙂 I don’t believe what anyone reports on these forums in the sense that we are all different. What works for one may not for another. But thanks CL for the baseline though. I’ll be diligent. 🆒 I appreciate it. 🙂 And be sure to have a good time while you’re at it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/248 "2009-08-08T02:57:18Z")
So I have this stripper report from a month ago… anyone want to read it ? ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/249 "2009-08-08T03:57:49Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > So I have this stripper report from a month ago… anyone want to read it > ? Hells yeah. My nights shot. Need some entertainment. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sagen180](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sagen180/32/803_2.png) [@Sagen180](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sagen180)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/250 "2009-08-08T14:59:37Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > So I have this stripper report from a month ago… anyone want to read it > ? Hells yeah! All of my reports so far have been stripper related (not with PS though), so I want to hear someone elses! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/251 "2009-08-09T05:00:00Z")
lol DJ, that wouldn’t go in this thread. He’s referring to an encounter while testing a mix of R0x and R1, if I recall correctly. But yes, I’m sure they’d LOVE to hear it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/252 "2009-09-28T22:52:06Z")
**MX333 (2 sprays - at the cinema last week)** The PS test pack is _special_ stuff and for that reason I want to save it for _special_ occasions. However, my bottles are pretty full and I was feeling a bit guilty for not having made a report on the mixes in a while so I decided to give one of them ago on a trip to the cinema. Each time I’ve tested PS previously I’ve made a report on the effects I got – I found that if you wear it around a girl your interested in and you can realistcily get to an appropriate location for stuff to happen, then no other pheromone mix I’ve tried can guarantee that stuff _will_ happen like PS can - most notably of the four, MX334. I sprayed 2 sprays on, got in the car and headed out to the cinema. MX333 picks my mood up, my confidence up and makes me chattier. I don’t get the ‘phero rush’ (credit to snoopy for coining that term) from MX333 like I do from MX334. MX334 makes me weak at the knees from pheromones, it makes me feel alive and vibrant, fills me with the desire to go out into the world and do whatever I feel like doing. The self effects from MX333 are much more subtle but nice all the same – just a smooth alpha-ness and a little bit chirpier and upbeat than the rest. I go to the cinema most Tuesdays with a group of friends, usually 1 male best friend and 3 female close friends. I was sat between my male friend and a female friend of mine. My male friend was quieter than usual and he behaved around me like he does around A314 (when people do that little automatic laugh at everything you say, it isn’t because everything is funny it’s because they perceive you as higher value – it’s a submission thing I read), he was doing the laugh thing in combination with a softening and quieting of his voice. He responds very strongly to high alpha pheromone mixes and I usually don’t like wearing them around him because I don’t want to intimidate my best friend. The female friend sat to the right of me, was reacting very strong to the pheromones. Around ammo and the like she will sometimes tell me I’m “cute” or “sexy” so there is some sort of attraction she sometimes feels but we are strictly friends and I want – we both want – to keep it that way. On Tuesday night, whenever I said something she would turn her face completely from the screen and stare at me, exposing her neck in the process. Whilst I continued to look straight at the screen she’d hold her stare at me for a prolonged period of time, longer after I’d finished talking. She’d laugh hysterically at everything I said in an out of character, soft kittenish laugh. Obviously sat in a cinema does leave me with much to write about in a report but the body language and signals were very overt, it’s just hard – as ever - to describe how unambiguous the IOI’s were in words without making them sound very plain and ordinary. What was most striking was when I got home from the cinema I was bombarded with text messages from her. Nothing really other than friendly, but I’d receive several in a row before replying myself. This continued for a couple of days afterwards. This suggests to me that whilst the mix made her aroused that night at the cinema, it also burnt me into her mind and created a lasting attraction. An attraction that had depth, not just a passing, fleeting arousal. I hope a special occasion presents itself to me soon so my next PS report will be much less tame and boring. I knew I wouldn’t have much to report from the cinema night, but I wanted to report at least something on the mix as I haven’t done in a while. Last time I wore PS I turned a friend into a lover, this time I only managed to make a friend want me as a lover. Still a hit none the less. The friend into a lover report I only posted in my journal because it was quite explicit, but if anyone wants to read it the link is here: [WildFlower's Pheromone Experiences. - #106 by WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wildflowers-pheromone-experiences/13914/106) ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/253 "2009-09-29T04:57:28Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > **MX333 (2 sprays - at the cinema last week)** > > The PS test pack is _special_ stuff and for that reason I want to save it for _special_ occasions. However, my bottles are pretty full and I was feeling a bit guilty for not having made a report on the mixes in a while so I decided to give one of them ago on a trip to the cinema. Each time I’ve tested PS previously I’ve made a report on the effects I got – I found that if you wear it around a girl your interested in and you can realistcily get to an appropriate location for stuff to happen, then no other pheromone mix I’ve tried can guarantee that stuff _will_ happen like PS can - most notably of the four, MX334. > > I sprayed 2 sprays on, got in the car and headed out to the cinema. MX333 picks my mood up, my confidence up and makes me chattier. I don’t get the ‘phero rush’ (credit to snoopy for coining that term) from MX333 like I do from MX334. MX334 makes me weak at the knees from pheromones, it makes me feel alive and vibrant, fills me with the desire to go out into the world and do whatever I feel like doing. The self effects from MX333 are much more subtle but nice all the same – just a smooth alpha-ness and a little bit chirpier and upbeat than the rest. > > I go to the cinema most Tuesdays with a group of friends, usually 1 male best friend and 3 female close friends. I was sat between my male friend and a female friend of mine. My male friend was quieter than usual and he behaved around me like he does around A314 (when people do that little automatic laugh at everything you say, it isn’t because everything is funny it’s because they perceive you as higher value – it’s a submission thing I read), he was doing the laugh thing in combination with a softening and quieting of his voice. He responds very strongly to high alpha pheromone mixes and I usually don’t like wearing them around him because I don’t want to intimidate my best friend. > > The female friend sat to the right of me, was reacting very strong to the pheromones. Around ammo and the like she will sometimes tell me I’m “cute” or “sexy” so there is some sort of attraction she sometimes feels but we are strictly friends and I want – we both want – to keep it that way. On Tuesday night, whenever I said something she would turn her face completely from the screen and stare at me, exposing her neck in the process. Whilst I continued to look straight at the screen she’d hold her stare at me for a prolonged period of time, longer after I’d finished talking. She’d laugh hysterically at everything I said in an out of character, soft kittenish laugh. Obviously sat in a cinema does leave me with much to write about in a report but the body language and signals were very overt, it’s just hard – as ever - to describe how unambiguous the IOI’s were in words without making them sound very plain and ordinary. > > What was most striking was when I got home from the cinema I was bombarded with text messages from her. Nothing really other than friendly, but I’d receive several in a row before replying myself. This continued for a couple of days afterwards. This suggests to me that whilst the mix made her aroused that night at the cinema, it also burnt me into her mind and created a lasting attraction. An attraction that had depth, not just a passing, fleeting arousal. > > I hope a special occasion presents itself to me soon so my next PS report will be much less tame and boring. I knew I wouldn’t have much to report from the cinema night, but I wanted to report at least something on the mix as I haven’t done in a while. _ **Last time I wore PS I turned a friend into a lover, this time I only managed to make a friend want me as a lover. Still a hit none the less.** _ The friend into a lover report I only posted in my journal because it was quite explicit, but if anyone wants to read it the link is here: [WildFlower's Pheromone Experiences. - #106 by WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wildflowers-pheromone-experiences/13914/106) LMAO, you’re hilarious. Just a hit? I don’t think so. Good to hear from you again on this. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/254 "2009-09-29T05:24:18Z")
i’m so mad I can’t get ahold of this ☹ maybe i can call the miracle man and he can make it happen hahaha ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/255 "2009-10-06T13:48:12Z")
**Saturday Night - (3 sprays of MX333)** I was invited round to my Ex-girlfriends house on Saturday night (If you haven’t read any of my previous reports, we’re on good terms and looks like we are testing the water again to give things another shot) it would be a quiet evening of no drinking just sitting round chatting, maybe watch a film. This wasn’t a one-on-one meet up by the way, but a meet up of us two and several mutual friends. It was about 9pm when I was getting ready to drive round to hers when I applied 3 sprays of MX333 – one to each side of my neck and one to the throat. I wouldn’t be stupid enough to wear a sexual mix around my Ex unless I thought the mood between us was appropriate, and from the way things have been progressing it was. I was not intending for anything sexual to happen on the night (although we did make out the previous night) but I did want the PS punch to really burn myself back into her memory. Even though she has been the one chasing this time around, I really wanted to make it clear with out a doubt that I would be worth chasing – hence the MX333 choice. When I arrived the mood was upbeat but mellow and chilled out as I’d expected. There was me and two other guys, my ex and three other girls. For the first half hour it was pretty casual, run of the mill stuff, just normal interaction with no hits. After half an hour things got crazy. I’d forgotten how disinhibiting sexually MX333 is. Sex became the conversation topic, amongst a group of people who wouldn’t even be comfortable talking about it after a few drinks, and none of us were even drinking. People opened up, innuendos were thrown around. Very reminiscent of the other times I’ve tried MX333. We decided to play an old child’s game ‘truth or dare’. Us guys had to sit on the floor whilst the girls gave us dares. All the dares were sexual related and everyone was unwilling – they were more just joking suggestions than dares. One girl dared me to go on my hands and knees whilst my friend pretended to bum me. Completely childish, completely out of character and I must reiterate we were all completely sobre as well. MX333 is _very_ disinhibiting. We did it and everyone laughed in hysterics. After an hour or two the two guys left, at separate times for separate reasons (one had work early the next day, the other had an essay to write) so I was left with the girls. The conversation was still sexual, we were all mostly asking “what would you prefer…” type questions. Never seen these girls talk so sexually before, and they were all comfortable doing so. There was a lot of sexual tension in the air. I was sat on a three seater couch with one of the girls who was so squashed up next to me it couldn’t have been anything other than a hit, as there was so much empty space to the side of her. We were sat under bright lights yet her pupils were so dilated you could hardly make out any iris at all. The entire night I noticed that all four of the girls would position there feet directly towards me, even when I changed seats. This is a clear sign of attraction – attraction with a bit of urgency. My ex had her feet twisted in what looked like the most uncomfortable position so it was facing towards me. I find feet pointing to be a very good indicator of interest - especially when the foot is rocking backwards and forwards towards you. Something I’ve experienced before, and experienced it again on Saturday is that when wearing PS around more than one woman at a time, it’s important you show them all each equal attention. If you spend too much time showing a particular girl attention, then you can feel the others getting bored and frustrated. Girls become very demanding and even somewhat reliant of your attention when you’re wearing PS – you definitely become the centre of attention, so you don’t want to isolate anyone or they take it quite personally. I was trying to increase the attraction between me and my ex, but it was also in my interest - and PS made it my responsibility - to keep everyone else happy also. It was 3am when I left. The whole night was nothing but an endless discussion about sex related topics. Feet were constantly pointed at me, eyes dilated, kino. PS seemed to have all four girls attracted (It was obvious attraction when I was there in the moment experiencing it, but I find it very hard to convey the same unambiguity in words later) towards me and aroused in general. I’m taking things slowly with my ex so nothing obviously happened; as I was leaving she gave me the tightest hug ever – hopefully I left leaving a lasting impression on her, and I believe I did. Thanks again PS. ---
**Author:** ![Nicklaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Nicklaus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nicklaus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/256 "2009-10-11T01:04:16Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > i’m so mad I can’t get ahold of this ☹ > > maybe i can call the miracle man and he can make it happen hahaha Who, Jesus? lol. ---
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/257 "2009-10-11T06:07:22Z")
For those of you just starting on the MX series, I can say I was there, and firstly you should get some MX292 before you can decide whether PS is killer. I prefer MX292 myself. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/258 "2009-10-11T08:31:48Z")
> [@Mco-gnv](#): > > For those of you just starting on the MX series, I can say I was there, and firstly you should get some MX292 before you can decide whether PS is killer. I prefer MX292 myself. 292 is more blatant and in your face, more slap in the face instantly obvious, which is what I was originally aiming for. But the calculator indicated that one of the pheromones should be too dominant for that to be the case. So the PS pack is not as obvious and fast acting as I had intended at first, but it works much better for going at a speed that she doesn’t get upset with, either. If you want instant head turning, 292 is definitely a better choice. 292 tends to have at least one side effect, though, which is that at the best doses, it tends to make you spacey. Me, anyway. It just depends on your preferred style of approach and your goal. PS isn’t the end-all, be-all of pheromones, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![oom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d26b3c/32.png) [@oom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/oom)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/259 "2009-10-11T11:59:33Z")
> [@Mco-gnv](#): > > For those of you just starting on the MX series, I can say I was there, and firstly you should get some MX292 before you can decide whether PS is killer. I prefer MX292 myself. I gave my MX292 away as I couldn’t handle the self effects: it made me snappy/more irritable. Not focussed, just irritable - like I’d ‘had enough’ of whatever situation I was in. The self-effects were such that people noticed the difference and I wasn’t happy with it. Strangely it’s the only mix I get this with- I don’t have a problem with Ammo, A314, MX301, P74, MEO-EST, P83, IS, IO, IH so I know it’s not one of those. Any ideas (or guesses) on what particular ingredient might be causing this effect? Oom EDIT: Oh, and MX292 didn’t seem to do anything for me with others. I think the self-effects negated any positive signals I might have been sending out. ---
**Author:** ![iamstretchypanda](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/iamstretchypanda/32/1228_2.png) [@iamstretchypanda](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iamstretchypanda)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/260 "2009-10-11T18:35:22Z")
I am subscribed to this post now. Very interesting. If i get the opportunity to test in the future i’ll be sure to help out 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123.md?page=12) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123.md?page=14)