# 100% (PS) Panty Scorcher : MX331-334 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123 "2009-07-30T14:28:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/141 "2009-08-04T15:14:25Z")
> [@denec](#): > > that is exactly my point i never ever read anywhere a test pack containing placebos, and i am starting to question the integrity of androtics if others have said they might i would like to know for sure at this point before i spend my hard earned cash Exactly - before we are going completely havoc here šŸ˜‰ we should wait for Michael or Jas (if sheā€™s around) to chime in and tell us if there ever have been placebos in the test packs! Until now itā€™s only rumours - and for me rumours are not enough to question Androtics integrity! ---
**Author:** ![Imjustpete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@Imjustpete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Imjustpete)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/142 "2009-08-04T15:21:42Z")
I heard there was a guy who found the 11th ingredient to KFCā€™s chicken! ---
**Author:** ![peregrine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/peregrine/32/499_2.png) [@peregrine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/peregrine)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/143 "2009-08-04T15:27:52Z")
> [@Imjustpete](#): > > I heard there was a guy who found the 11th ingredient to KFCā€™s chicken! LMFAO šŸ˜ƒ Iā€™ve seen less conspiracy theories in the most heated area 51 debates. :pFor the record, it does exist. Location? Between 50 and 52. Now you know. Now I have to hide!!! ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/144 "2009-08-04T15:28:49Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Denec, hang in there buddy and no I donā€™t mean by the neck šŸ™‚. You and I have spoken and I do believe your intentions are honorable and as a former newyurka I know exactly where you come from. > > Whatā€™s happening here, and I do speak as a consultant of Androtics here, is Placebo is being misrepresented. There has been no official word in this thread and I need to set the records straight for you. Androtics very well might send out placebo mixes when they send out freebies. I agree otherwise it could be unethical to send out plain old SD38 with scent. > > However a placebo in a test pack is not actually a placebo as has been defined by many members incorrectly. A placebo in a test pack still has pheromone contents but sometimes it might be a slightly different formula, a completely different formula, maybe a scent difference, but there are pheromones ABSOLUTELY in there. Its just different pheromones šŸ˜‰. This is done because it allows for some margin of error to be compensated for from reporting members. > > All this talk about blind studies, scientific research and what have you is HOGWASH. We are not scientists, but are simply hobbyists with an expensive hobby. There are way to many unknown variables here for any of this to have any scientific value. This is a forum of like minded people and where our posts are valuable to one another and to Androtics as a business venture (commercial enterprise) I can say with certainty our reports are far from scientific. > > Nary a scientist worth a grain of salt could use any information farmed from the forum if he/she wants to keep their reputation. Sorry folks, not trying to burst anyoneā€™s bubble, but science doesnā€™t work that way. Nobody could extrapolate any information from any public forum and come up with an actual working paper for the Journal Of Scientific Review. DO you really believe Dr James Kohl would stake his rep on what we are saying? Now that is not to say that he is interested in reports and then would go and deduct his own scientific study.šŸ˜‰ > > So all this talk about blind study, double blind this, and what have you is not feasible. Heck none of us, including me, have any idea what any of the putative molecules are except our best guess. I have my theories on several of them, but that proves nothing. So unless you are willing to spend thousands on having these molecules reverse engineered at Sigma Aldrich well then there is virtually no chance of starting a commercial venture that does not include Androtics. > > Regardless if you like it or not, Androtics hold the keys here šŸ˜›. Whether you believe they are ethical or not is your decision to make. Base it on facts of how they do business with you and not on what ā€œforumā€ members are saying. They simply are other customers too. > > I know there are things that go on that I personally question as I am not one to allow anyone to do me or my friends wrong. And while I am a hired consultant for Androtics, that does not mean I will bite my tongue. Iā€™m sure anyone who knows me will attest to this. Know full well that Tisha23 and I are VERY close, just as I am close to Bella, Mark, Diane and a few others. Tisha23 is the only one I used to share my thoughts with as she was a hostess here, and a DAMN fine one. She stuck her neck out many times knowing full well the consequences, but she did it for the sake of the community. Everyone saw the blowout and repercussions of the thread that I was called a liar in by a member of this forum. > > I was told that I needed to apologize for that and when I refused on the grounds it was against every moral fiber in my being, I have since been ostracized. My family has been criticized for standing by these values as well. My consulting job has virtually left me broke and many members have told me I need to leave. I believe in what I am doing, I believe that good intentions will indeed prevail here. > > There is little communication and I have been called negative and not a team player. Iā€™d do it again if I thought someone was being unethical towards you, my fellow forum friends. I tell you this because I do not believe that any hanky-panky is occurring here. > > I am certain that Androtics, who preach that they are making a better pheromone world, will indeed step up to the plate and be forthcoming with any truths that need to be said, but please remember, whether you believe it or not, Androtics is very much a commercial enterprise. I dully admit a very generous one to their clients, but all the same a business and as such they owe us only their commitment to stand by those ethical principles they have promised us. > > I implore you to afford Androtics, Michael and Jasmin the same generosity of patience to allow them time come forth and answer any questions you might have about copulins and secret ingredients sent by a member of this forum. I completely understand and agree if EOW is being used in products especially after all the posts about how terrible it is by Jasmin: [What happened to eow? - #30 by Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/30) > > I canā€™t believe, regardless of any differences Androtics and I have had and overcome, that they would ever do anything like what is being questioned here in this thread. Again Denec, I know that everything here about placebos is completely wrong! You know I tell you the TRUTH!šŸ˜ƒ I will not lie for a job as it goes against everything I have ever come to believe in. Itā€™s just not right and I fear that even writing this I might have sealed my fate, but let it be known now and forever (LOL I always wanted to say that) that I did it for the sake of truth, and integrity. > > I would hope this puts to rest any questions about Androtics integrity. I am sure its a simple mis-communication. No one except those actually involved know what that secret ingredient is, and if its even been used at all. Like I have said, for all we know it could have been denatured water. I do not believe that Amy, Catlord17, MHarris, Jasmin or anybody else who might be involved would all be involved in a conspiracy to lie to over 13000 members of a very close family. Please be patient šŸ™‚ Then I think people are using the terminology placebo wrong when i hear the word placebo I think of it in drug trials, that is what comes to mind In drug trials I think of you have X number of patients and X number of patients are given the real drug while Y number are given a placebo or just sugar pill to me that is placebo So when Tisha and catlord are using placebo i was referring to that Now if what you are saying Steve, then that is 100% what I thought they were doingā€¦and that should not even be called a placebo. That should just be called a variation. Because you are still getting pheros, just a totally different formula. My biggest worry is exactly what you said was getting alcohol and a scent and I do not want to pay for that. So i think the problem here is people using the wrong terminology if what you said is accurate and I hope you are right. Now back to the other issues at hand, dissapearing posts regarding secret ingredients, why jasmin still will never come through with her promises of releasing the forumulas when she promises time and time again. IMO if you are not going to follow through, why bother saying it in the first place? To me it is like a politician empty promises. Anyway I will wait for Michael or Jasmin I am just unhappy how things have been going and would like to see this resolved once and for all ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/145 "2009-08-04T15:52:13Z")
so what? even if placebos were used, im asking myself this important question, "what has been the overall value of many of the products on here on my life? has it transformed it? has it made it better? have i discovered a new interesting hobby? do i feel more confident with women now? am i attracting more women because of some of the products on here? " all the answers r YES, they r extremely useful. So im looking at the overall picture of the positive affects Androtics products have had on my life over a 3 year period, products like Ammo that have landed me hundreds of dates that i didnt get before pheromone use, so yes because of the positives ive experienced, then im willing to accept possible placeboā€™s in test packs. but cant think of any MX ive used where i didnt get a reaction from one of them. im now thinking of chemical romance mx148 to mx152ā€¦every one had some sort of reaction IMO, whether good or badā€¦so i dont believe there were any placebos in this test pack. mx113-mx116 Akuto test pack - havent they all been sold individually? so doubt there were placebos in that test pack. i tried mx113 and it definately had affects, Snoopyace reports nice results from 115/116ā€¦personally, 149/150/152 were 3 of the best products ever tried, so ill take the benefits even if 151 had no effect [not that i know this either way as the bottle leaked before testing]ā€¦ and of course the old Androsterone MXā€™s 102-105ā€¦all testers reported effects though very minimal data on mx104, yet it is sold seperatelyā€¦Liquid Sunshine series 136-140, cant think of any placebo in that either. so im really looking at the overall picture here that many Androtics products have had a very positive effect on my life, so arent too phased if 1 out of 5 mixes in a test pack turns out to be a placebo, whic i still cant find an example of. id prefer these products in my life than out. this is such a unique community i really cant imagine anything too dodgy going on. ---
**Author:** ![Xman0142](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/13edae/32.png) [@Xman0142](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xman0142)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/146 "2009-08-04T16:20:03Z")
do the panties really catch on fire? wow ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/147 "2009-08-04T16:39:04Z")
Failure To Deliver. > [@bubblebob](#): > > Exactly - before we are going completely havoc here šŸ˜‰ we should wait for Michael or Jas (if sheā€™s around) to chime in and tell us if there ever have been placebos in the test packs! Until now itā€™s only rumours - and for me rumours are not enough to question Androtics integrity! There is not much integrity left anymore. We have heard from them over and over and over again. They both drag us around in very beautiful artistic circles. We get alot of lame, but creative, excuses. A very few plans. And practically never anything that resolves the excuses or produces results from the plans. They have both proven themselves repeatedly unable to make strategic decisions or plan and execute projects. In short, they are consistently incapable of delivering results. There is appearently no effective board of directors or they would have been demanding results, and kicking their ass up and down the street over the lack of them, for a very long time now. So the results we end up with are that Catlord has been jacked around on producing his mixes for years now. On the most basic womenā€™s product, copulins, they have refused to develop (or were incapable of developing) or buy (they have never made a credible offer to Diane, nor have they purchased cops from any other commercial source) in spite of the repeated promises made to our women. Now the foundation, the most basic of menā€™s products, A314, is somehow beyond their ability to manufacture. It has reached the point where if you expect more than excuses and promises from Androtics, you will be left disappointed. All of you know that I love this place and the people here as much as anyone. If I disappear from here, you will know that I have been forced out. I will not voluntarily leave this community. But from now on, my pheromones will come from, and my money will go to, someplace else. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/148 "2009-08-04T16:46:57Z")
Chillout ā€¦ the MX series test packs and individual MXā€™s are what they are TEST to gather information from users in hope to find constancy in itā€™s effect and possible commercial product release. Maybe they should put a supper potent shine in each test pack to give the user a good vibe about themselves. Androtics knows shine works and itā€™s effect ā€¦ could use this as a placebo. Testing this stuff is supposed to be fun; if you have doubts stick to the commercial products. ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/149 "2009-08-04T16:50:33Z")
a placebo can be anything that is not the actual product. I donā€™t get why everyone is crying over placebos. The MX test packs are almost always cheaper than an individual bottle of a ToGo MX when generally its a new mix and takes more work AND money to produce. So right off the bat, theyā€™re probably losing money on giving you all these NEW TEST MIXES at discount prices. Youā€™re complaining how one of them MIGHT be a placebo? What is the point of RESEARCH if YOU ARE TOLD THERE IS A PLACEBO? You have been told it is a test **PACK**. And theyā€™re probably cheaper because there might be a placebo? They went through all this hard work to give you guys an experimental TEST PACK TO TEST. Look at the prices and the amount of ToGos they give you. Prices always come out to usually at least ONE FREE BOTTLE. Maybe that price drop/free bottle(s) could be due to the fact that there may be a placebo? Even if it was a true placebo in the sense of the word, youā€™re getting it for free. There are 3 test packs out right now. Womens test pack has SIX bottles for 40 dollars reporting status. thatā€™s 50 dollars off if you were to buy each one separately. The two other ones are 4 bottles each at 30 dollars each, meaning you get 30 dollars off, the cost of TWO ToGos. Theyā€™re giving you GREAT prices on these mixes so they can find out WHAT REALLY WORKS, so if they do turn out to be great mixes, they can be sure of it. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/150 "2009-08-04T17:11:13Z")
placebos are an important part in the figuring out of what works. alot of people HERE look for similar reaction to the next guy, and without a placebo i would think the posts were a regurgitation of what the mind remembers to look for. WITH THAT SAID, another important thing is addressing issues face-on, not in a roundabout skirting the issue way. I look forward to seeing how this is handled. ---
**Author:** ![NigelG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@NigelG](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NigelG)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/151 "2009-08-04T17:16:40Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > All of you know that I love this place and the people here as much as anyone. If I disappear from here, you will know that I have been forced out. I will not voluntarily leave this community. > > But from now on, my pheromones will come from, and my money will go to, someplace else. LOL - thanks for brightening up my day with that.. Did somebody call for the WAAMBULANCE? .\_\_\_\_\_\_**@@\_ |---------------\_\_ | WAAMBULANCE | |** \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_/ ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€˜Oā€™ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜Oā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€™ Sorry, couldnā€™t resistā€¦ Iā€™m really finding it hard to see what the big deal is.. ---
**Author:** ![Imjustpete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@Imjustpete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Imjustpete)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/152 "2009-08-04T17:23:25Z")
Some people are upset that there may or may not be a placebo in a ā€œtestā€ mix that they are getting cheaper than it should be. Normally this pack would be $79.95, but weā€™ll give ya one freeā€¦ so itā€™s just the cost of 3, at 59.95. So even if one was a placebo its the free one. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/153 "2009-08-04T17:23:49Z")
> [@NigelG](#): > > LOL - thanks for brightening up my day with that.. > > Did somebody call for the WAAMBULANCE? > > .\_\_\_\_\_\_**@@\_ > |---------------\_\_ > | WAAMBULANCE | > |** \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_/ > ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€˜Oā€™ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€˜Oā€™ā€˜ā€™ā€™ > > Sorry, couldnā€™t resistā€¦ Iā€™m really finding it hard to see what the big deal is.. the big deal is that alot of money is spent on this stuff, not by YOU but by others. people want to know what they are paying for, and i think its important to know. integrity comes into question when its silent around questions. FTR, i dont believe for a second androtics is losing money on this. catlords mix has gotten so much attention, that anyone would be silly to not grab it up. it requires no advertising because of his 1000+ post thread. he created it he advertised it HIMSELF he has a demand for it all androtics has to do to make money is make itā€¦ like the rest of the stuff they make. where is the extra cost again??? ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/154 "2009-08-04T17:47:57Z")
> [@NigelG](#): > > ā€¦ > Sorry, couldnā€™t resistā€¦ Iā€™m really finding it hard to see what the big deal is.. Iā€™m sure that it is really a matter of my own personal bias. You see, I come from a manufacturing / engineering background in major corporations. It has been firmly impressed on me that if you cannot plan and execute projects, if you cannot consistently produce a reliable product in the quantities, and on the schedule, necessary to satisfy the customers needs, then you will cease to exist. Your job will cease to exsist. That company will cease to exsist. Eventually the community around those mills and factories will cease to exsist. In business, delivering results, producing a product, is effectively like breathing. Breathing is not such a big deal. ā€¦ Is it? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/155 "2009-08-04T17:56:54Z")
> [@Cinci\_Jack](#): > > At the risk of stepping on toes, hereā€™s my 2cp worth. **If a test pack doesnā€™t include some type of placebo, either a completely different mix or simply a scent package, then it doesntā€™ seem to me to be much of a test pack.** The placebo _effect_ can do more harm to the testing than a placebo vial, imho. And if what you get is something you donā€™t like, then take solace in this quote from the MX page: Kind of my thoughts. I ALWAYS ā€œTHOUGHTā€ a test pack was a little more of this, a little less of that, some of this with -none, some of that with -nol, etc. etc. etc. I donā€™t know ā€¦ itā€™s getting confusing, or are you guys confusing me??? šŸ˜  How did this all get started!? šŸ†’ Whatā€¦ever! Luvzya anywho! šŸ˜‰ > [@reddog](#): > > if you have doubts stick to the commercial products. The BEST advice on this matter! ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/156 "2009-08-04T19:08:22Z")
> [@Imjustpete](#): > > Some people are upset that there may or may not be a placebo in a ā€œtestā€ mix that they are getting cheaper than it should be. > Normally this pack would be $79.95, but weā€™ll give ya one freeā€¦ so itā€™s just the cost of 3, at 59.95. > So even if one was a placebo its the free one. > [@reddog](#): > > ā€¦ if you have doubts stick to the commercial products. best ones !!! I dont know why people are so upset by this. **EVEN if** you get a placebo(or whatever you like to call it) YOU are not Paying for it ! and how did we all got this far discussing something so unimportant? ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/9/98cae0704aea0201d04f151843e80a3ecd391eca.gif) ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/157 "2009-08-04T19:21:53Z")
I have to sayā€¦ I am really surprised at some of the responses you all have given. The situation is indeed a complex one, in many ways and at many levels. Letā€™s hope that time shows definitively that neither I, nor anyone else is being treated unfairly in any way. As to the matter of the ā€œsecret ingredientā€ā€¦ it shouldnā€™t be too terribly difficult to figure out. But the formula is a secret, so Iā€™m not tellin. As for the placebo thingā€¦ placebos can be, as was said, anything that is not a part of the ā€œseriesā€. Pheromones or not. Andā€¦ have any of you ever thought that, as was stated - knowing that there is a placebo would alter the results of the test? Let me tell you what happened during my private blind testing. Because people expected a placebo (even though some of them did not get one at all), I got all kinds of screwy results. One person who shall remain nameless, was using PS and getting all the results, but believed he had a placebo because it was not doing hat he expected. His expectations were not only unreasonable (brought about perhaps by his literalness [no, their panties will not always spontaneously ignite] and his lack of self awareness. He had no idea what he was observing, or what to do with it. But because he knew there MIGHT be a placebo in the pack, he decided it was a placebo, and proceeded to waste what I am told is about $150 worth of pheromones carelessly and without trying to get results once he decided that. Then there was someone else who tried them, and he didnā€™t get the results everyone else was getting because his subject was apparently upset with him, due to miscommunication. People, women are not lower order animalsā€¦ you cannot take away their ability to think and respond beyond the brainstem simply by exposing them to pheromones, no matter how amazing the mix is. Panty Scorcher does a damned good job in that area, under the right circumstances, but a woman who has closed you off because of serious mis-communication and clashing personality and frustrationā€¦ isnā€™t going to respond. I sent out almost seven ounces of Panty Scorcher. You know what I have gotten back? I had my original financier ditch me when he got a sample of one of the different formulas I was testing because it didnā€™t do the same thing as the other one he had tested. NO clue as to the fact that different means different, and we are trying to figure out what to use, not get laid. I have only a few testers who have given me reports consistently and with good observation. And the rest? I have not heard from some of them AT ALL. So hereā€™s what I know from this experience: - Giving free test packs makes people think theyā€™re worthless - and act accordingly. - Telling people there might be a placebo can have the same sort of damaging effect on a test as not having a placebo, but getting the placebo effect from expectations. - Some people will say anything to get what they want. - Most people donā€™t care about the test, they just want to get laid. - The expectations can override everything else. - People who donā€™t know anything about pheromones will find a way to screw up the test. Now I have enough reports to know I have something special hereā€¦ but not enough to know much more than that. So I figured I would have Androtics release it as an MX and then all of you could test it. But I wanted the MX pack released without anyone being told what it was, so we would not be back to ā€œexpectations are screwing up the testā€. Sigh. As for Steveā€™s commentsā€¦ really, Steve? Not scientific? Just because Iā€™m not doing top end research, and I donā€™t know what the Ps and Ts are composed of, doesnā€™t mean that the scientific method is not still useful for learning about the mixes. I want to know what the TRUTH is about what PS doesā€¦ just like you all do. Blind testing and placebos are a good way to get closer to that. Or so I thoughtā€¦ Denec, I still disagree with you. I donā€™t see anything wrong with having the occasional placebo from a testing situation. I think Steve cleared the matter up definitively, but still. and the rest, hell, I forgot what I was going to say. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/158 "2009-08-04T19:44:49Z")
> [@](#): > > - Giving free test packs makes people think theyā€™re worthless - and act accordingly. > - Telling people there might be a placebo can have the same sort of damaging effect on a test as not having a placebo, but getting the placebo effect from expectations. > - Some people will say anything to get what they want. > - Most people donā€™t care about the test, they just want to get laid. > - The expectations can override everything else. > - People who donā€™t know anything about pheromones will find a way to screw up the test. oh some of this is highly insulting and a lot of broad generalizations > [@catlord17](#): > > Denec, I still disagree with you. I donā€™t see anything wrong with having the occasional placebo from a testing situation. I think Steve cleared the matter up definitively, but still. > > . on androtics money, not on mine, in fact no other company makes you pay to beta test in the first place as for the rest I will let others handle i am still waitin for Michael or Jasmin to chime in, wonder why they are waiting so long ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/159 "2009-08-04T19:54:46Z")
> [@idle](#): > > ā€¦ > and how did we all got this far discussing something so unimportant? > > [http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/emotes/eusa\_think.gif](http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/idlebg/emotes/eusa_think.gif) Because most people look down at the ground in front of them instead looking ahead and being aware of the environment around them. This placebo BS is a red herring that will be used to distract you from, and minimize, the real issue at hand. Why does this company refuse to produce Catlords mixes? Or are they incapable of it? In either case, the end result is the same. One of our leading citizens, one of our most senior testers, one of the most experienced pheromone users on the planet, has used his own time, money, and creativity (along with a legendary mix calculator the he developed) to create a mix that is his master work. A mix the likes of which we may never see again. A mix that may well equal the legendary Pheroproof that this company has the rights to produce, but which has been left to wither. After _years_ of dicussions, and promises,and delays, our friend Catlord has been denied _again._ This time with the thread he used to document his trials deleted. And all of this is happening as a part of a much larger, consistent, systemic inability of this company to develop, deploy, and manufacture their most basic products. Sadly, they seem to have the greatest problems with the products that have the highest consumer demand. Among others, Pheroproof, Catlordā€™s mix, copulins, and now finally an inability to manufacture the bedrock, A314. This is no small matter. If they will not deliver the goods, then for my part, I will find someone else who can. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/160 "2009-08-04T19:56:00Z")
I am not as seasoned as some of you, but some of these responses strike me as odd. The test mixes are for TESTING. Maybe it is my newness, but I donā€™t look at the cost of the pack as a ā€œper bottleā€ but as an overall test to LEARN about the mix and potentially provide quality feedback that might improve it or confirm its efficacy. From there it might become something like a commercial offering, but that is in the future. If that were to happen, Iā€™d expect more of it at that point, but not when it is a test mix. Itā€™s like this: I pay for the opportunity to test PS. The cost gets me into the test which has 4 bottles. I personally didnā€™t do any work to develop the mix and as such, have no need or right to know what is in it at this point. Maybe I am an idiot, but isnā€™t not knowing which of the 4 is the actual PS helpful in learning the value of the actual PS formula? I know there are a few other issues afoot here about what raw materials are available and such, but thatā€™s over my head at this point. Iā€™m just stating my opinion about one manā€™s work and how testing is a good thing. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123.md?page=7) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123.md?page=9)