# 100% (PS) Panty Scorcher : MX331-334 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123 "2009-07-30T14:28:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 139
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123/139 "2009-08-04T15:11:42Z")
> [@denec](#): > > where was this stated? I look at the store and see nothing of the sort, how do we know the rest of the MX series are not placebos? I have no idea. Maybe that is why Jasmin never released the formulas of the MX because some of them were placebos? she was suppose to a long time ago and never did? if you recall, I am starting to trust this company less and less > > [Which MXs do you want the formulas of?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mxs-do-you-want-the-formulas-of/12328) > > You can count me out as a tester from now on because this is highly unethical and illegal IMO > > I am paying for a product and I expect a product, in fact until this gets squared away you can count me out from buying Androtics products ever again Denec, hang in there buddy and no I don’t mean by the neck 🙂. You and I have spoken and I do believe your intentions are honorable and as a former newyurka I know exactly where you come from. What’s happening here, and I do speak as a consultant of Androtics here, is Placebo is being misrepresented. There has been no official word in this thread and I need to set the records straight for you. Androtics very well might send out placebo mixes when they send out freebies. I agree otherwise it could be unethical to send out plain old SD38 with scent. However a placebo in a test pack is not actually a placebo as has been defined by many members incorrectly. A placebo in a test pack still has pheromone contents but sometimes it might be a slightly different formula, a completely different formula, maybe a scent difference, but there are pheromones ABSOLUTELY in there. Its just different pheromones 😉. This is done because it allows for some margin of error to be compensated for from reporting members. All this talk about blind studies, scientific research and what have you is HOGWASH. We are not scientists, but are simply hobbyists with an expensive hobby. There are way to many unknown variables here for any of this to have any scientific value. This is a forum of like minded people and where our posts are valuable to one another and to Androtics as a business venture (commercial enterprise) I can say with certainty our reports are far from scientific. Nary a scientist worth a grain of salt could use any information farmed from the forum if he/she wants to keep their reputation. Sorry folks, not trying to burst anyone’s bubble, but science doesn’t work that way. Nobody could extrapolate any information from any public forum and come up with an actual working paper for the Journal Of Scientific Review. DO you really believe Dr James Kohl would stake his rep on what we are saying? Now that is not to say that he is interested in reports and then would go and deduct his own scientific study.😉 So all this talk about blind study, double blind this, and what have you is not feasible. Heck none of us, including me, have any idea what any of the putative molecules are except our best guess. I have my theories on several of them, but that proves nothing. So unless you are willing to spend thousands on having these molecules reverse engineered at Sigma Aldrich well then there is virtually no chance of starting a commercial venture that does not include Androtics. Regardless if you like it or not, Androtics hold the keys here 😛. Whether you believe they are ethical or not is your decision to make. Base it on facts of how they do business with you and not on what “forum” members are saying. They simply are other customers too. I know there are things that go on that I personally question as I am not one to allow anyone to do me or my friends wrong. And while I am a hired consultant for Androtics, that does not mean I will bite my tongue. I’m sure anyone who knows me will attest to this. Know full well that Tisha23 and I are VERY close, just as I am close to Bella, Mark, Diane and a few others. Tisha23 is the only one I used to share my thoughts with as she was a hostess here, and a DAMN fine one. She stuck her neck out many times knowing full well the consequences, but she did it for the sake of the community. Everyone saw the blowout and repercussions of the thread that I was called a liar in by a member of this forum. I was told that I needed to apologize for that and when I refused on the grounds it was against every moral fiber in my being, I have since been ostracized. My family has been criticized for standing by these values as well. My consulting job has virtually left me broke and many members have told me I need to leave. I believe in what I am doing, I believe that good intentions will indeed prevail here. There is little communication and I have been called negative and not a team player. I’d do it again if I thought someone was being unethical towards you, my fellow forum friends. I tell you this because I do not believe that any hanky-panky is occurring here. I am certain that Androtics, who preach that they are making a better pheromone world, will indeed step up to the plate and be forthcoming with any truths that need to be said, but please remember, whether you believe it or not, Androtics is very much a commercial enterprise. I dully admit a very generous one to their clients, but all the same a business and as such they owe us only their commitment to stand by those ethical principles they have promised us. I implore you to afford Androtics, Michael and Jasmin the same generosity of patience to allow them time come forth and answer any questions you might have about copulins and secret ingredients sent by a member of this forum. I completely understand and agree if EOW is being used in products especially after all the posts about how terrible it is by Jasmin: [What happened to eow? - #30 by Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/30) I can’t believe, regardless of any differences Androtics and I have had and overcome, that they would ever do anything like what is being questioned here in this thread. Again Denec, I know that everything here about placebos is completely wrong! You know I tell you the TRUTH!😃 I will not lie for a job as it goes against everything I have ever come to believe in. It’s just not right and I fear that even writing this I might have sealed my fate, but let it be known now and forever (LOL I always wanted to say that) that I did it for the sake of truth, and integrity. I would hope this puts to rest any questions about Androtics integrity. I am sure its a simple mis-communication. No one except those actually involved know what that secret ingredient is, and if its even been used at all. Like I have said, for all we know it could have been denatured water. I do not believe that Amy, Catlord17, MHarris, Jasmin or anybody else who might be involved would all be involved in a conspiracy to lie to over 13000 members of a very close family. Please be patient 🙂 --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/100-ps-panty-scorcher-mx331-334-thread/31123)._