# 18 at a Christian college: where are the women who just want to have fun? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 29, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610 "2010-11-29T02:36:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![theKorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90db22/32.png) [@theKorean](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theKorean)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/1 "2010-11-29T02:36:38Z")
How is it that there are thousands of women who are more than willing to have sex on camera, with each other, with multiple men, basically willing to do anything, and I can’t seem to find a girl who wants to make out? I am 18 and in college. Granted, it’s a christian campus, so no parties and no girls who are willing to have fun here 😛 But I do go to other colleges on the weekend to party, yet none of those girls want to have sex. I guess I’m asking, where are these women who want to have fun? There are videos of girls giving a blowjob to a man they just met, who doesn’t even know their name, yet the girls are having the time of their life with a man with a slight beer belly. I’m here more than willing to please a girl, not just myself. Is that the problem? Am I coming across sub-consciously as a nice guy? Are these men who just want to f\*\*\* getting laid because the girls like that more? Do the men have more game than I do? Do they use the right combination of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) that I have not perfected? I am at a loss as to where the freaks are. Please, someone help me and tell me how to find the girls who want to have sex with no strings attached. How can a man get two strangers to have sex in a public restroom, but I cannot find a girl who wants to have sex at all? p.s. I’ve read ladderwiki, don juan, some of the mystery method, talked to guys I know who get girls to love them instantly, you name it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/2 "2010-11-29T02:44:12Z")
I know this is an obvious question. But are you trying too hard? You know women can instinctively know when you’re just looking for sex. If you’ve read mystery method, you do know the M3 model, and attract, comfort, then seduce right? Even mystery said it does take some time. You still had the ASD, you still have to make sure your game is good. Pheromones can help with all stages of the mystery method but it depends on how you’re coming off. A creep, or a sexy guy? ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/3 "2010-11-29T03:15:29Z")
I would focus on a few things: Obvious, but it helps… Study pickup artists! Don’t pick just one, learn from several. The ones that I would recommend, that have helped me, are: Neil Strauss (Style) Mystery Richard la Ruina (Gambler) David DeAngelo Juggler Those five guys are brilliant, they really know what’s up. Hear what they have to say, and internalize their techniques; combine them! Also, and you’ll hear this from David DeAngelo and Gambler especially, become a more valuable person. Not necessarily money-wise or anything like that. No, you want to add value to your person. Picture this: A guy who goes to school and attends parties and ONLY those two things would be pretty boring to be around, and women pick up on that. But what if this guy were to learn an interesting new skill, like playing guitar? And he LOVES IT? Then automatically, that new passion _raises_ their value; they get points for that, and girls take note. John Mayer is a perfect example of this example. He was a boring guy, but started spending a lot of time in his hotel room practicing guitar. Now he’s been with Jennifer Aniston and Jessica Simpson. The guitar led to an increase in confidence, attention, and a variety of other things that gave him value. Start out with one new hobby, get good at it, get excited about it, and it’ll shine through. Women won’t be able to resist, you’ll stick out so much. And what if you were good at more than a few things? You’ll be a superstar! So, my advice is just, get out there, be a Renaissance man, and have a good look at some pickup artists’ materials. You’ll find that their teachings actually aren’t as sleazy as you’d think. What you learn from these guys applies to everything in your life, and it’s great. ---
**Author:** ![LoveDocta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lovedocta/32/993_2.png) [@LoveDocta](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LoveDocta)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/4 "2010-11-29T03:20:40Z")
> [@theKorean](#): > > How is it that there are thousands of women who are more than willing to have sex on camera, with each other, with multiple men, basically willing to do anything, and I can’t seem to find a girl who wants to make out? I am 18 and in college. Granted, it’s a christian campus, so no parties and no girls who are willing to have fun here 😛 But I do go to other colleges on the weekend to party, yet none of those girls want to have sex. I guess I’m asking, where are these women who want to have fun? There are videos of girls giving a blowjob to a man they just met, who doesn’t even know their name, yet the girls are having the time of their life with a man with a slight beer belly. > > I’m here more than willing to please a girl, not just myself. Is that the problem? Am I coming across sub-consciously as a nice guy? Are these men who just want to f\*\*\* getting laid because the girls like that more? Do the men have more game than I do? Do they use the right combination of pheromones that I have not perfected? I am at a loss as to where the freaks are. > > Please, someone help me and tell me how to find the girls who want to have sex with no strings attached. How can a man get two strangers to have sex in a public restroom, but I cannot find a girl who wants to have sex at all? > > p.s. I’ve read ladderwiki, don juan, some of the mystery method, talked to guys I know who get girls to love them instantly, you name it 😛 my friend you will never find them no matter how hard you look promise ya that. i have searched far and wide and never found any but i have created girls like this what i mean my “created” is that i have gamed girls who everyone considered the quiet goody two shoes type of girl and gotten them to do things like the stuff mentioned above by knowing when to escalate/how to escalate properlyand most importantly having game. thus allowing me to meet any girl and guide our relationship from just friends to potential bf to fuck buddy. it takes some time and game for that, if im going for a one night stand i do the same thing i would do in a normal situation just that i make sure i establish the fact i dont want to be friends and i’m there for more than that within the first 2 mins by doing some intense flirting and kino.(note that im not always sucessful but compared to when i first started im about 85% sucessfull now) most girls you will meet in your life are just like guys when it comes to sex they think about it too but for them there are more risks to worry about so they dont express their sexual thoughts/desires like us guys might. so that makes it very hard to just find one like that unless if she’s a slut (you might be thinking hey i dont care as long as i get some, but those types of girls are very dangerous not the best type of girl to “hook up” with) so inorder to get girls that are not sluts to do things you mentioned above you’ll need game,balls,and confidence, and a little help. with all those you have all the tools necessary to be those jerks you see at clubs who get the girls. all im saying is you cant just wait for these girls to drop from the sky you have to go out meet girls and then create the mood/atmosphere by gaming them then and only then will you find these types of girls ahh finally the good part my friend i would like to introduce you to the best website ever (besides Androtics of course 😃) [Seduction University Forums ~ Index](http://www.paragonproject.com/forums/) i want you to go here and post what you just posted on their forums they will give you the steps necessary to get the girls you want believe me their methods work if it wasn’t for them i would still be the guy who stands in the corner at every party and the guy who couldn’t even say hi to a hot girl btw guys sorry if none of this is clear im extremely tired i had a very long day so if you need me to clarify anything let me know i’ll clarify tomorrow morning when im energized ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/5 "2010-11-29T03:39:14Z")
Dude, calm down. You sound like AFC. Also, what kind of girls are you gaming? Really hot popular ones? Well, I usually go for those and turned down some not so hot ones. If you really want some go talk to avg girls, so you won’t be this frustrat ed. That is what I would do or jack off. It is no big deal really. Plus, it could be anything. They might not find you sexy and are turning you down nicely. I can’t say. My advice is don’t let it bother you. It is their loss that they don’t pick a man like you. Oh, continue to wear [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and a314 to dhv, neg them, and make tyhem feel like they have to prove they arew good enough ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/6 "2010-11-29T04:22:26Z")
OK first off, that “ladder theory stuff” get that shit the fuck out of your head right now. I’ve read Ladder/Intellectual Whores and it offers nothing actually constructive. In fact all it is is a bunch of AFC…(actually BFC’s since being average would mean getting laid at least once in a while which these bitter ass clowns obviously do NOT.) Whining about how every reason that “nice guys” can’t get laid is the womans fault. It’ll make you angry, and if you’re already angry it will make you go “YEAH! Damn right!” and you’ll still go to bed alone. Now the M3 model is great, it doesn’t make judgments, the world is what it is. However while the Mystery Method book is great for examples of techniques and laying down the basic theory it’s kinda like showing somebody a picture of a house, a pile of lumber and saying “make it happen”. Somebody mentioned Style and I concur. Read Rules of the Game and follow the 30 day challenge. While doing that get the Dicarlo escalation ladder. Here is a HUGE problem you may be running into. Some guys can open set, create attraction, move into comfort, but then get stuck in comfort and get friend zoned so they get shut out when they try to escalate to seduction…why? Usually the guy was not making enough casual physical contact the whole time during comfort and when he moves in for a kiss or something more overtly romantic/sexual it’s this big high pressure deal. The escalation ladder shows you how to begin making physical contact in a casual low key way and then gradual escalate in a way that makes each step seem to the girl like no big deal…kino type B is no big deal since it’s barely a step up from kino type A, Type C is right next to B so if you’re already touching her in type B then C should feel natural and normal. Now try going all the way to F without going through A-D first and it’s like “wait what are you doing?” And finally, this is most important but also the hardest…let go of needing it to happen. Bro, seriously I can feel your desperation all the way over here, if I can feel it, the women can feel it and while women like sex as much as men, they usually have enough options that they’re never desperate for it…so when they sense desperation, they figure you don’t have any options (and if you have no options, there must be a reason) ie desperation is unattractive. Try this since you’ve read the Mystery Method I figure you should be able to follow me here. Consider the four attraction switches, now look at area’s of your life where those apply to you, Where are you a leader of men, in what ways are you protective of loved ones, How many attractive, and interesting female friends do you have to display social proof? etc Work on those area’s. if you’re not in a leadership position someplace, work on fixing that by starting some sort of social club of your own ([meetup.com](http://meetup.com) is good for this) Go out and make friends with attractive women…friends, getting blown out with one hottie today is bad when you consider YOU can friend zone HER and either look great to other women when she gives you a friendly hug at a party, or even get introduced to the women in her social circle. Now, work on presenting your attractive traits in a way that’s interesting and compelling (storytelling) Here is the most important part. Make a list of qualities (physical, and personality wise) that you would want in a woman. Commit to that list…at least the personality and behavior aspects. By commit I mean even if the girl wants to have sex, don’t have sex with her if she’s below you standards…HAVING STANDARDS IS HANDS DOWN THE GREATEST CURE FOR DESPERATION THERE IS. Stop approaching the interaction from the “I wonder if she’ll make out with me” mentality and instead come in with a let’s see if this woman is up to MY standards. It takes time and effort, especially during a dry spell but I’m at a point now where even if the woman begged me to fuck her, I stick to my mental checklist and if she ain’t up to the bar, then I move on. You’ll find that it makes you much more attractive to other women that you’re picky…why?, because sleeping with you means shit to their ego if you’re so desperate you’d sleep with anything that would have you. BUT, if you’re the kind of man that turns women away that don’t meet his standards, well then sleeping with you means that they DO measure up. That’s one of the reasons that rock stars and movie stars get the amount of women they do. You think women realistically think the lead singer of a metal band will give up his lifestyle to give them a white picket fence? No, it’s because they know they’re one of thousands of women that want to have sex with him, and actually getting him means they were chosen above those thousands. Standards bro, never settle just to get a little action. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/7 "2010-11-29T09:15:10Z")
guys guys guys. Your advice is all well, but when it comes to business sometimes, it’s all about location location location! 😃 It’s hard enough in the dating world to be an Asian male. Not only you have to compete against mobs and mobs of possibly better qualified people (this may be argueable), but there is also selection bias when it comes to interracial dating as well. The numbers aren’t that good when it comes to Asian males with black girls and white girls… I remember when I was in your position trying to get some ass too. You have to be aggressive… real aggressive when trying to get a girl. It’s a whole different world out here and it’s not the conservativeness that you will have to watch for. I still didn’t get any ass in the states btw and I’m still learning/ doing my own thing and it’s fun. Sometimes it really is all about the location. If a majority of the girls want a very muscular, at least 6 feet guy, then you can kiss your chances goodbye for the most part if you lack the characteristics they want. Otherwise, you’d have to put on some mean game. Went to Korea couple of times during my summer and winter breaks. I never had so much ass in my life AND with virtually little effort. I consider myself average when it comes to the looks department and I’m not really that tall, but with my real personality, I did farely well overseas. The least I wanted was sex and the main focus was on friendship, but for the most part I gotten the opposite (girls would ONS ME!!!). You swing and swing only to strike out here, but who knows… in another state away or country you might be the hot commodity. -from a fellow Korean “nice guy” as well 😃 ---
**Author:** ![theKorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90db22/32.png) [@theKorean](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theKorean)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/8 "2010-11-29T16:21:58Z")
> [@whs06c](#): > > guys guys guys. Your advice is all well, but when it comes to business sometimes, it’s all about location location location! 😃 > > It’s hard enough in the dating world to be an Asian male. Not only you have to compete against mobs and mobs of possibly better qualified people (this may be argueable), but there is also selection bias when it comes to interracial dating as well. The numbers aren’t that good when it comes to Asian males with black girls and white girls… > > I remember when I was in your position trying to get some ass too. You have to be aggressive… real aggressive when trying to get a girl. It’s a whole different world out here and it’s not the conservativeness that you will have to watch for. I still didn’t get any ass in the states btw and I’m still learning/ doing my own thing and it’s fun. > > Sometimes it really is all about the location. If a majority of the girls want a very muscular, at least 6 feet guy, then you can kiss your chances goodbye for the most part if you lack the characteristics they want. Otherwise, you’d have to put on some mean game. > > Went to Korea couple of times during my summer and winter breaks. I never had so much ass in my life AND with virtually little effort. I consider myself average when it comes to the looks department and I’m not really that tall, but with my real personality, I did farely well overseas. The least I wanted was sex and the main focus was on friendship, but for the most part I gotten the opposite (girls would ONS ME!!!). You swing and swing only to strike out here, but who knows… in another state away or country you might be the hot commodity. > > -from a fellow Korean “nice guy” as well 😃 I greatly appreciate your understanding of my situation 🙂 however, my name is somewhat of a misnomer, and for that, i apologize. I am living in the United States, born and raised (specifically, indiana, fml) I am 25% Korean. I have just enough ethnic characteristics that people wonder where I’m from, but they do not specifically think asian or mexican or whatever. I’ve been told my eyes are what hint towards an asian background (so think, not too slanty, but some slight angles i guess haha) I’m pretty pale until summer, 5’11", and I’m not asian below the waist 😉 and i have a built frame (so not beefy, but i have a six pack and my muscles stand out) But thank you whs06c, i’ll keep your thoughts in mind 🙂 especially when headed to Korea 😉 ---
**Author:** ![theKorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90db22/32.png) [@theKorean](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theKorean)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/9 "2010-11-29T16:26:25Z")
Thank you to everyone with your advice, there’s good stuff here 🙂 i’m looking into all of it while i keep practicing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/10 "2010-11-29T19:49:40Z")
Follow what’s in this thread, and you’ll be incredible. And, just to echo what RadMan said: I _highly_ recommend the StyleLife 30 Day Challenge. Do this alongside everything else, and you will see some VERY rapid development! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/11 "2010-11-29T22:03:05Z")
> [@theKorean](#): > > I greatly appreciate your understanding of my situation 🙂 > > however, my name is somewhat of a misnomer, and for that, i apologize. I am living in the United States, born and raised (specifically, indiana, fml) I am 25% Korean. I have just enough ethnic characteristics that people wonder where I’m from, but they do not specifically think asian or mexican or whatever. I’ve been told my eyes are what hint towards an asian background (so think, not too slanty, but some slight angles i guess haha) I’m pretty pale until summer, 5’11", and I’m not asian below the waist 😉 and i have a built frame (so not beefy, but i have a six pack and my muscles stand out) > > But thank you whs06c, i’ll keep your thoughts in mind 🙂 especially when headed to Korea 😉 Like I said, go for AVERAGE looking girls for now. You don’t even have to sleep with them. Just interact with them and improve your game and then go on to gaming some hot ones. With mones, if you set yourself up right, you should even get some hot ones here and there. Also, you’re not looking for a long term relationship, so it doesn’t even matter. When it comes to LTR, financial security, compatibility, social status, good personality, and so on- those matter more, but you’re not even looking for that. I think you will be okay. Just go out and have fun. It is okay not to get laid. ---
**Author:** ![theKorean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/90db22/32.png) [@theKorean](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theKorean)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/12 "2010-11-30T00:15:32Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > OK first off, that “ladder theory stuff” get that shit the fuck out of your head right now. I’ve read Ladder/Intellectual Whores and it offers nothing actually constructive. In fact all it is is a bunch of AFC…(actually BFC’s since being average would mean getting laid at least once in a while which these bitter ass clowns obviously do NOT.) Whining about how every reason that “nice guys” can’t get laid is the womans fault. > > It’ll make you angry, and if you’re already angry it will make you go “YEAH! Damn right!” and you’ll still go to bed alone. > > Now the M3 model is great, it doesn’t make judgments, the world is what it is. However while the Mystery Method book is great for examples of techniques and laying down the basic theory it’s kinda like showing somebody a picture of a house, a pile of lumber and saying “make it happen”. Somebody mentioned Style and I concur. Read Rules of the Game and follow the 30 day challenge. While doing that get the Dicarlo escalation ladder. > > Here is a HUGE problem you may be running into. Some guys can open set, create attraction, move into comfort, but then get stuck in comfort and get friend zoned so they get shut out when they try to escalate to seduction…why? Usually the guy was not making enough casual physical contact the whole time during comfort and when he moves in for a kiss or something more overtly romantic/sexual it’s this big high pressure deal. > The escalation ladder shows you how to begin making physical contact in a casual low key way and then gradual escalate in a way that makes each step seem to the girl like no big deal…kino type B is no big deal since it’s barely a step up from kino type A, Type C is right next to B so if you’re already touching her in type B then C should feel natural and normal. > Now try going all the way to F without going through A-D first and it’s like “wait what are you doing?” > > And finally, this is most important but also the hardest…let go of needing it to happen. Bro, seriously I can feel your desperation all the way over here, if I can feel it, the women can feel it and while women like sex as much as men, they usually have enough options that they’re never desperate for it…so when they sense desperation, they figure you don’t have any options (and if you have no options, there must be a reason) ie desperation is unattractive. > > Try this since you’ve read the Mystery Method I figure you should be able to follow me here. > > Consider the four attraction switches, now look at area’s of your life where those apply to you, Where are you a leader of men, in what ways are you protective of loved ones, How many attractive, and interesting female friends do you have to display social proof? etc > Work on those area’s. if you’re not in a leadership position someplace, work on fixing that by starting some sort of social club of your own ([meetup.com](http://meetup.com) is good for this) > Go out and make friends with attractive women…friends, getting blown out with one hottie today is bad when you consider YOU can friend zone HER and either look great to other women when she gives you a friendly hug at a party, or even get introduced to the women in her social circle. > Now, work on presenting your attractive traits in a way that’s interesting and compelling (storytelling) > Here is the most important part. Make a list of qualities (physical, and personality wise) that you would want in a woman. Commit to that list…at least the personality and behavior aspects. By commit I mean even if the girl wants to have sex, don’t have sex with her if she’s below you standards…HAVING STANDARDS IS HANDS DOWN THE GREATEST CURE FOR DESPERATION THERE IS. > Stop approaching the interaction from the “I wonder if she’ll make out with me” mentality and instead come in with a let’s see if this woman is up to MY standards. > It takes time and effort, especially during a dry spell but I’m at a point now where even if the woman begged me to fuck her, I stick to my mental checklist and if she ain’t up to the bar, then I move on. You’ll find that it makes you much more attractive to other women that you’re picky…why?, because sleeping with you means shit to their ego if you’re so desperate you’d sleep with anything that would have you. BUT, if you’re the kind of man that turns women away that don’t meet his standards, well then sleeping with you means that they DO measure up. > That’s one of the reasons that rock stars and movie stars get the amount of women they do. You think women realistically think the lead singer of a metal band will give up his lifestyle to give them a white picket fence? No, it’s because they know they’re one of thousands of women that want to have sex with him, and actually getting him means they were chosen above those thousands. > Standards bro, never settle just to get a little action. where can i find rules of the game and the 30 day challenge online for free? i’ve read a post by one man who followed it and he said it worked great. sounds like something i want to investigate a little further. I appreciate it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/13 "2010-11-30T04:21:30Z")
Check your pm’s dude ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/14 "2010-11-30T05:26:44Z")
I don’t consider my self especially shy but some of that stuff in the 30 day plan I didn’t want to do. Like the random phone calls. I dunno. Also, nice guys can get laid. Its not about nice or jerk, its about not being a pushover. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/15 "2010-11-30T05:35:33Z")
my advice is don’t evaluate your worth by whether or not you can get laid, hot women or not. Think about your goals, accomplishments, talents, gifts and so on - that is something to be proud of! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/16 "2010-11-30T16:29:48Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > I don’t consider my self especially shy but some of that stuff in the 30 day plan I didn’t want to do. Like the random phone calls. I dunno. > > Also, nice guys can get laid. Its not about nice or jerk, its about not being a pushover. I think the biggest misconception about the whole “jerk” on why women like them is because they are always wondering and always chasing. In the past, I was a chronic friend zone guy, I do know my share of women and in hindsight, worked out well cause I now know the ins and outs of interactions and I have plenty of women to bounce ideas off of. But from all the stories I’ve heard, the guys they met that were doing their own thing and living their own life were sought after as well. They weren’t jerks but they were secure men that lived for themselves. They weren’t selfish but just knew what they wanted and didn’t settle for anything less. Value yourself, and know that you’re worth it first, then the women will come because they can tell a good catch from the next. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/17 "2010-12-01T01:08:06Z")
You got my vote!🆒 > [@RADMAN513](#): > > OK first off, that “ladder theory stuff” get that shit the fuck out of your head right now. I’ve read Ladder/Intellectual Whores and it offers nothing actually constructive. In fact all it is is a bunch of AFC…(actually BFC’s since being average would mean getting laid at least once in a while which these bitter ass clowns obviously do NOT.) Whining about how every reason that “nice guys” can’t get laid is the womans fault. > > It’ll make you angry, and if you’re already angry it will make you go “YEAH! Damn right!” and you’ll still go to bed alone. > > Now the M3 model is great, it doesn’t make judgments, the world is what it is. However while the Mystery Method book is great for examples of techniques and laying down the basic theory it’s kinda like showing somebody a picture of a house, a pile of lumber and saying “make it happen”. Somebody mentioned Style and I concur. Read Rules of the Game and follow the 30 day challenge. While doing that get the Dicarlo escalation ladder. > > Here is a HUGE problem you may be running into. Some guys can open set, create attraction, move into comfort, but then get stuck in comfort and get friend zoned so they get shut out when they try to escalate to seduction…why? Usually the guy was not making enough casual physical contact the whole time during comfort and when he moves in for a kiss or something more overtly romantic/sexual it’s this big high pressure deal. > The escalation ladder shows you how to begin making physical contact in a casual low key way and then gradual escalate in a way that makes each step seem to the girl like no big deal…kino type B is no big deal since it’s barely a step up from kino type A, Type C is right next to B so if you’re already touching her in type B then C should feel natural and normal. > Now try going all the way to F without going through A-D first and it’s like “wait what are you doing?” > > And finally, this is most important but also the hardest…let go of needing it to happen. Bro, seriously I can feel your desperation all the way over here, if I can feel it, the women can feel it and while women like sex as much as men, they usually have enough options that they’re never desperate for it…so when they sense desperation, they figure you don’t have any options (and if you have no options, there must be a reason) ie desperation is unattractive. > > Try this since you’ve read the Mystery Method I figure you should be able to follow me here. > > Consider the four attraction switches, now look at area’s of your life where those apply to you, Where are you a leader of men, in what ways are you protective of loved ones, How many attractive, and interesting female friends do you have to display social proof? etc > Work on those area’s. if you’re not in a leadership position someplace, work on fixing that by starting some sort of social club of your own ([meetup.com](http://meetup.com) is good for this) > Go out and make friends with attractive women…friends, getting blown out with one hottie today is bad when you consider YOU can friend zone HER and either look great to other women when she gives you a friendly hug at a party, or even get introduced to the women in her social circle. > Now, work on presenting your attractive traits in a way that’s interesting and compelling (storytelling) > Here is the most important part. Make a list of qualities (physical, and personality wise) that you would want in a woman. Commit to that list…at least the personality and behavior aspects. By commit I mean even if the girl wants to have sex, don’t have sex with her if she’s below you standards…HAVING STANDARDS IS HANDS DOWN THE GREATEST CURE FOR DESPERATION THERE IS. > Stop approaching the interaction from the “I wonder if she’ll make out with me” mentality and instead come in with a let’s see if this woman is up to MY standards. > It takes time and effort, especially during a dry spell but I’m at a point now where even if the woman begged me to fuck her, I stick to my mental checklist and if she ain’t up to the bar, then I move on. You’ll find that it makes you much more attractive to other women that you’re picky…why?, because sleeping with you means shit to their ego if you’re so desperate you’d sleep with anything that would have you. BUT, if you’re the kind of man that turns women away that don’t meet his standards, well then sleeping with you means that they DO measure up. > That’s one of the reasons that rock stars and movie stars get the amount of women they do. You think women realistically think the lead singer of a metal band will give up his lifestyle to give them a white picket fence? No, it’s because they know they’re one of thousands of women that want to have sex with him, and actually getting him means they were chosen above those thousands. > Standards bro, never settle just to get a little action. ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/18 "2010-12-01T02:34:47Z")
All great advice. Just basic stuff but it’s always going to be new to someone. I’ll just add that it’s a numbers game. Hit on 100 girls and some will be interesting, some will kiss, and some will fuck. It’s just numbers. With mixes like 353, you’ll bat REAL high.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/19 "2010-12-01T03:16:19Z")
> [@giants52000](#): > > All great advice. Just basic stuff but it’s always going to be new to someone. > > I’ll just add that it’s a numbers game. Hit on 100 girls and some will be interesting, some will kiss, and some will fuck. It’s just numbers. With mixes like 353, you’ll bat REAL high.. 🙂 dang it! I sold my MX353, but it is ok… lol -none is a bit too much for me now, hjehje ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610/20 "2010-12-03T01:19:54Z")
I have a friend who teaches for [AskRomeo.com](http://AskRomeo.com). His name is Valentino. Now mind you he has a lot going for him. One night on his birthday we were all going out in Santa Monica a couple years back. He too was a numbers game guy. I watched him go up to several women and whisper in their ears. Some looks like WTF and walked off. Others smiled and chatted. One absolutely beautiful model type girl (Katy Perry song California Gurls) took him by the hand and led him out. 45 minutes later he returned. I asked him what he was whispering and what happened. He said he would find the girls he really wanted to have sex with and go up, use the claw on them and whisper into their ears “I want…I want to fuck you!” He had a heavy Italian accent. The girls who were like WTF and walked off well obviously were not that interested, but we will come back to them. The girls who chatted were like let me get to know you and we will see what happens. They were all damn fine looking women. The funny thing was he built this entire routine and knew that he needed to start with girls he wasn’t that interested in. Those were the girls who all said no. The ones he did chat with another level to his game. He would have been OK with that, but by the time he got to the beauty he was very confident and as such dropped a bomb of confidence on her. She took him up on the offer solely based on how he asked. So I asked him what if one of the first girls he was practicing on said yes? He cracked me up when he said, what they don’t need loving? Show me who doesn’t need loving here. Purely a numbers game and as he progressed through the numbers he got more and more confident. 1 out of ten was going to say yes so he started with the ones he didn’t really care if they said yes. It just progressed naturally from there. 😉 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/18-at-a-christian-college-where-are-the-women-who-just-want-to-have-fun/43610.md?page=2)