# 2nd order just came in and I could use some help.

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [September 24, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219 "2008-09-24T19:32:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![Dracon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dracon/32/1888_2.png) [@Dracon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dracon)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/1 "2008-09-24T19:32:46Z")

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My Order:  
Instant Shine 2X  
Instant Gentleman  
Instant Openness (Game)  
Instant Honesty  
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)

Free Gift:  
Turn Up the Heat 5mL Ver. 1.1 (Thanks Amy 🙂)

So I’ve got all those plus what’s left of my first order; half a bottle of A314, a few sprays of Ammunition To Go and a few sprays of Instant Female Magic To Go (all out of IS To Go.)

To tell the truth, I wasn’t sure about making a 2nd order until 2 days ago. Before that I was thinking about getting a refund because I’ve had no luck using pheromones for the last year but I decided to give it one more try so I put on a few drops of A314 and hit the campus. The first girl I asked out gave me a positive response but I may have made a few fatal mistakes.

This lady I’m pursuing is the cute asian girl from my philosophy class. The problem is that I didn’t realize it at the time, when I introduced myself she already knew my name and pointed out that we were in the same class. Nevertheless she seemed to like the idea of going out sometime and I gave her my number but when I asked for hers she said “I’ll call you.” I’m not sure how to interpret this but I know I didn’t help things in class the next day by not talking to her. ☹

This is where I want your help. Which pheromones should I wear tomorrow to get her to go out with me. IS and Instant Openness seem like musts for me but I want to know what expert phero users think.

Thanks for reading.

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**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/2 "2008-09-24T20:40:22Z")

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You have a good idea there with Ishine and IO I think (1 of 2 of each??). And I would continue with wearing the A314 too. But it does seem weird that she did not give you her phone number. To be honest, she should have entrusted you with it. But I hope you can improve matters a little. Maybe you did not have enough conversation before asking her for her number. IO will help with that but you might want to run a “deeper” angle with IH, depends on yours and the girl’s personalities.

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**Author:** ![Dracon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dracon/32/1888_2.png) [@Dracon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dracon)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/3 "2008-09-24T21:00:02Z")

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Thanks ntk; you’re right, I didn’t have a long conversation with her before asking. I’m not to sure about her personality yet but I tend to be kind of shy and not very talkative, I hope IO will help change that. Your advise really helped but I’m still not sure about mixing pheros. I’m a little worried that mixing too many could be bad.

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**Author:** ![Dracon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dracon/32/1888_2.png) [@Dracon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dracon)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/4 "2008-09-25T03:29:18Z")

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Anyone else have some advice? I’d really like to get multiple opinions.

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**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/5 "2008-09-25T03:53:07Z")

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“i’ll call you” is the kiss of death.

you can still be resuscitated via the patented “Let her see you out having fun and enjoying the company of another woman” move, but the timing _and_ your female companion must be impeccable.

[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) would certainly be useful in attracting the attention of the Asian target, as well as obtaining the impeccable female to use in the event that phone call never arrives.

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**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2008, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/2nd-order-just-came-in-and-i-could-use-some-help/20219/6 "2008-09-25T04:02:22Z")

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I would say that io and ishine can help you with the girl you are pursuing. Is she shy usually? You can also wear a little bit of ig so you seems more dependable and trustworthy person, since she doesn’t like to gave out numbers to random people 🙂