# 3 Instant Shine/ 2 Ammo Made Me The Life Of The Dinner Party **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 16, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669 "2007-07-16T08:21:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jamesmathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90ced4/32.png) [@jamesmathers](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesmathers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/1 "2007-07-16T08:21:43Z")
okay so im through with the japanese girl. i didnt overly get dpressed by her shunning of my advances. i took the positives of our 2 encounters that somehow ended disastrously. y do women give u a 5 min. window of opportunity to stoke the fire??? whether its at 10 am on a frosty monday morning or infront of 100 people, they choose the window they give you. i generally wait till it suits me [ie. till i build up the nerve] and get confused by all the flirting and IOI’s , then get a repulsed reaction to an attempted kiss close??? EXPERIMENT NUMBER 2 - THE COLOMBIANA: so my IS/AMMO 3:2 ratio all sprayed at once is the result of a week of experimentation. so theres i am sitting on sat. nite at a dinner full of strangers, excpet me mate jake and hes girl…well im wearing nothing [pheromone](https://a314.com/) wise. and all is not well on the western front. i go to the dunny and hit me all at once with the above 4mula, after a week of trying to apply phero’s through phases. and BINGO! i come out and im thinking im the bees knees! i sit at the opposite end, hold court infront of 4 colombian beauties whom id never met. i wanted to be center of attention, class clown, even the guy wouldnt stop chatting to me, but me thinks he was giivng me some gay vibes??? anyways, no agression towrads me…All complete strangers who i couldnt talk to 5 mins. earlier. so yes, reactions noticed. i intiAte more, assert more, clown around more, AND IMMEDIATELY MY SOCIAL INHIBITIONS WERE SWEPT OUT OF MY TORTOISE SHELL WITH A LIONS DEN OF BIG BRUSHY BROOMS! 🙂, and not really in a sleazy way. so tehn im with my mate and his girl in his car and 1 of the colombians is in the back seat with me…she feels comforatble, they gravitate towards me but in a communicative, ie. not-overtly sexual way, despite me 2 ammos im wearing…so, the 4mula needs a missing ingredient to make it more sexual. can anway 1 suggest? IFM perhaps? is TUH over kill? following day, same girl, me mate and his girl..where out all day. how can i pull the moves during the day on a ferry in front of her best friend? would a314 have helped me intiate the close phase? so when we met that morning, didnt even have any sprays as the chemistry had built up the previous night…but an hr. in sure enough im in the urinals and got me IS 3/ Ammo 1 [maybe residual from a weeks build up, so going light …]. …i dunno mate,…it makes ME CHANGE, I FELT LIKE “IM GONNA FLIRT WITH YOU GIRL” MIND SETand GETS ME IOI’s, but it wont do all the wrok for you. strange reaction, her eyebrows started shaking all the time??? is this a classic IOI eyebrow flutter? or maybe shes a junkie??? well, tried a 2nd hit of ammo…i guess it amped it up abit, shes touching my leg with her foot as we sit, shes showing me the ten photos shed just taking of me on her camera, 🙂 plenty of eye contact, smilimg etc. but where sitting on a boat and its broad daylight and no alcohol I SERIOUSLY AM DEVOID OF MOVES 🙂…maybe im just an idiot sceptic about this whole thing, but yes, its a good combo., it in-inebriates u, u lead the flock around the paddock for a while, u put on youre comedy routine, u tell stories that come out of god knows where, and then u exhaust yourself with the song and dnace routine, and youre still in CHumpsville friend zone with an 8/10 Colombiana. as me mates like to say “maximum effort/ minimum results” 🙂 i slept like a baby for 10 hours that night 🙂 so, in conclusion,it didnt make me feel super confident and assertive. it didnt help me close. it dosent enable a natural keno approach for me. but it does do all the wonderous things as posted above. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 12:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/2 "2007-07-16T12:12:38Z")
Welcome to the forum. Great report! I hope you had fun. You might try relaxing a bit. Lose the goal orientation. It sounds like the lady was having fun too. Give things a little time. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/3 "2007-08-04T16:05:47Z")
I don’t feel like starting another thread for my [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IShine experiences, so I thought I just add it here. I have used this combination twice: 3x Ammo To Go (2 to the neck, 1 split between wrists) + 2x IS (1 neck, 1 wrists). This combination proves to be a good attention grabber with great social enhancements and a slight sexual edge. I’m just back from my weekend shopping wearing this combo. I had a lot more attention from the ladies, especially the cashiers. 2 out of 3 cashiers started to have conversations with me. One of them (a relatively good looking woman around 25 I guess) obviously remembered me from the day before yesterday when I was also wearing this combo while shopping, and greeted me with a biiig smile when she saw me entering her queue. As it was my turn she smiled her great smile again, flushed a little and talked about how boring it is today because there are almost no customers and that she’d rather be at the beer festival that takes place this weekend in Berlin. This kind of conversation is rather out of the ordinary here in Germany, as most people are quite reserved. I have seen similar attention grabbing reactions with a combo of Alter Ego and SoE, but not as great and pronounced as Ammo and IS. AE and SOE got me looks and from time to time greetings from the people working at the shops (which also is way out of the ordinary in a german supermarket), Ammo & IS got me looks and actual conversations started by the women… A big bottle of Ammo will definitely be part of my next order! bb ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/4 "2007-08-06T02:38:03Z")
Do you think that trying less or no instant shine would make your vibe more or less sexual? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2007, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/5 "2007-08-06T02:58:48Z")
> [@](#): > > I have seen similar attention grabbing reactions with a combo of Alter Ego and Scent of Eros, but not as great and pronounced as [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS. Alter Ego and Scent of Eros got me looks and from time to time greetings from the people working at the shops (which also is way out of the ordinary in a german supermarket), [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) & IS got me looks and actual conversations started by the women… Both AE and SOE contain a god deal of androsterone (the chief componet of A314). It’s great for work relations, light socializing and fostering respect, but isn’t as alluring to the opposite sex as Ammo. AE is better paired with CTTM or other heavy androstenol products. You don’t want too much 'rone if you’re on the prowl. In fact I found AE worked better as a standalone than paired with SOE. SOE pairs nicely with heavy androstenone products like NPA, TE or TUTH (buffers & mellows the 'none and adds a little friendly). I love Ammo for work and light socializing but haven’t noticed much diff with or without IS. Also, you can easily make up for shortcomings in a mix with a little initiative, e.g., smile, be friendly, talk to people, etc. It’s amazing we survived without artificial mones… ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2007, 8:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/6 "2007-08-06T08:48:16Z")
@Capone: I don’t think that IS would drive it in one direction or the other. It just makes you a little more approachable, IMO. @Gegogi: I always thought that the amount of -rone in SoE is rather minimal. I don’t know the exact ratios of Ammo, but it has less -none in it than AE - leaving more ‘space’ for -nol and -rone. But I guess from the reactions of other people it’s mostly -nol with a little -rone thrown in. I’m going to tweak this mini combo a little during the next days - preferably with a little extra IO or IH first. Anyhow, it seems to be a great basis for further experimentation! I especially wonder how P74 could enhance this in social terms - hope it arrives soon! ---
**Author:** ![9ks2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/50afbb/32.png) [@9ks2k](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/9ks2k)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2007, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/7 "2007-08-06T16:37:47Z")
i usually do this combo just with one spray on ammo and im gonna try to spread IS on my wrist this time. Girls love the smell. BUt ive been getting alot of girls saying im COCKY so idk ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/8 "2007-08-07T00:30:38Z")
> [@9ks2k](#): > > BUt ive been getting alot of girls saying im COCKY so idk I don’t think that comments like these should be taken too hard. I mean, sometimes I call my friends retarded, stupid, and some other vulgar things, but its all in good humor. We also like to crack LOTS of racist jokes around each other 🙄. But if you are cocky. . . fix it! ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/9 "2007-08-07T03:11:44Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I love Ammo for work and light socializing but haven’t noticed much diff with or without IS. Which version you got? Later versions of ammo are tweaked so they have a few components of IS in them. Where as if you got 1.0 it’s more none based and can be better complimented with IS. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2007, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/10 "2007-08-13T04:15:57Z")
This is one heck of a mix . It seems to work in all situations. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/shadowx/32/2327_2.png) [@ShadowX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ShadowX)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/3-instant-shine-2-ammo-made-me-the-life-of-the-dinner-party/4669/11 "2007-08-14T18:58:06Z")
man, this thread made me regret even more for not buying I-Shine in my recent order. ☹ I have Ammo though…at least.