# 45 day Newbie experiments and results! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 27, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428 "2008-09-27T19:30:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/1 "2008-09-27T19:30:18Z")
Hello all, So after reading all that i could on the forum, i decided to try and use a couple of products and see how they work. I proceeded then to buy some to-go sizes. I bought Ammo, Turn up the heat, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), Instant female magic and got a free Instant Jerk. What i plan to do with this forum is to try something new, with different people every week end until the products run out, and post my results here for others to see. Now for the purpose of better explaining my results let me give you all a little background on me: I am an average looking male, 21, 5’11" and not muscular at all (145lbs). I have played alot of soccer so i can say that i at least have an athletic body. I never had a problem approaching women nor making new friends since i am very outgoing. However, i 've been stuck with the Nice guy complex for so long that most girls rather be my friend. To change that, i started pheromone experiments. So far, I notice several common things about all the pheromones i try. First,the products do not change a persons set mind ( such as make a girl pick you over her boyfriend for example). Second, not everyone responds to the same pheromones. Third, you must act accordingly with the image you are projecting with the phermones. I noticed that pheromones project that first impression for you, the rest is your job. Pheromones such as turn up the heat, or ammo, start that sexual tension in a girl before you even really hit on her. Now here are some of my experiences. But before that , i must admit that i read a little bit about the pick up artists’ theories on Kino, and building attraction and try to use that as much as i can. The first thing i tried was Instant Jerk. I tried it last friday at a college bar that i went to with a coupe of friends, good friend: three attractive girls, and one other guy. I sprayed one spray on my neck and used my hand to put some on the other side. Then i sprayed another spray on my shirt. Results: I did not think that i was acting weird. However, three things happened. I notice that i was getting looks from other girls. I mean, " come talk to me" looks. Second, one of the girls that i was teasing, asked me why i was beeing an asshole suddenly but could not stop touching my hands/arm. Finally, another one of our girls, when i took her home,pulled me into her room and initiated a make out session. Now, we might have all been drunk, but other times we’ve all gotten drunk together, that did not happen. The next day, we were going over to that same girl’s house to watch a football game. I decided to take a shower and try something new. Now, seeing that i am already considered the nice guy, i went easy on the Instant female magic. I put one spray on the opposite sides of my elbow on each arm, two sprays of instant honesty behind my neck, and one ammo on my chest. I walked in the place, and automatically established my presence by sitting on the sofa between the girl i made out with the night before and one of her friends. I noticed she started getting closer to me. I looked at the girl from the night before and said to her ear, " don’t be trying anything on me woman. I am not that easy. Last night was a one time thing." She looked at me, gave me somewhat of an embarressed smile and pinched me. Results: During the whole game, she could not stop touching me. Hugging. kissing my cheeks everytime there was a good play. Now i know whe was drunk but once again, it was never like that before. As the game ended and we were making drinks more drinks (her and I), she looked at me and said " U know, i always had a little crush on u." Needless to say how much of an ego boost i got. Stand by for this week end’s experiences… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/2 "2008-09-27T20:53:11Z")
Yup, sounds about right. Very observational and excellent report. ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/3 "2008-09-27T20:54:13Z")
nice one keep us updated. ---
**Author:** ![ES](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ES](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ES)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/4 "2008-09-27T20:54:54Z")
One hell of a first report, lilplaya - that’s called breaking out of the friend zone in style! I was going to mix Instant Jerk with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), but it looks like it does a pretty good job on its own… ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/5 "2008-09-27T20:55:15Z")
Excellent, reps. You got away with two sprays of IJ - in fact you prospered. The forum usually cautions young guys of 21 against heavy doses of -none products, but you must be one whose mileage varies. I guess you can offset it with something in your personality so that you can get all the benefits. I suppose the advice is: tread carefully in places where there are lots of other guys around, wearing a thing like IJ, it may antagonise them. Good results though! ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/6 "2008-10-09T02:21:34Z")
Sorry for the delay you guys. I was studying for a very important test… But here are the events of the last two week ends. So… two week ends ago, i ended up just going out saturday night. Two of my buddies and i were going to a 21st birthday party. I thought i should prepare myself for a fun filled night. I decided based on the results from the past week end to try something more interesting. So I sprayed two spray of instant jerk, one on my stomach right above the navel and one on my back right under my neck. I also sprayed one spray of ammo on my neck and one share between both wrists. I then put some “bad ass” clothes on and went on a prowl. Results: I get to the party and realise that the possibilities were endless. There were alot of beautiful young ladies there. As i walked into the room, i notice several looks from the girls. I could not determine if they were interested or if they were just curious…or if i just looked that good. haha. One thing that was weird is that , none of them approached me. As i approached them and flirted, some flirted back but some appeared a little intimidated. I did not get the effect i wanted. it was weird. Later two of my buddies and i left and went to the bars to meet that girl from last week end. I have to explain that during the week, stuff was a little awkward because 1) we only talked once on the phone with it being a little weird. and 2) she is still dating some guy i know in a long distance relationship. ( but trust me, she is not that serious about it at all). So, I get to the club and she is looking Hot, i mean Hizzot. So, as i learn from PUA techniques, i acted not impressed… said hi, kissed her on the cheeks to give her a god wiff … and ignored her a bit. Then i introduced myself to her friend and kindda flirted with her friend a bit. BAD NEWS i don’t know what happened… sundenly i saw her kissing some other sasquach looking dude in a corner and a couple minutes after, come by and get her keys, then leave with him. If that wasn’t enough, her friend said she was leaving and went home. TERRIBLE night. My combination seems to have aroused the girls big time but somehow caused a repellent effect. After a long week of boring study, and terrible ego crush… i decided to go out again the next sat. So this time, i go out with a girl friend of mine , i guess a potential friend with benefits… just had not pursued it yet. I figured, i should go for it. To be safe i just went with 2 sprays of ammo… 1 on the neck, 1 on the chest and went out. So, i get to that little party, probably 40-50 people just drinkin, talking, playing beer pong… ect. Since i did not know anyone, i figured i would establish presence asap. Started with the guys, shaking hands, busting some balls ( bad beer pong shots) the usual. Results. Some girl, just came up and said " hey, i don’t know u… im Katie"… i answered " wow, wow, Katie is that how u pick up guys? u need to work on that." It was a perfect opening. She introduced me to her friends two of whom showed IOI’s. It was amazing. I ended up living that night with 3 phone numbers and that friend that i came with. .. yes… she slept over 🙂 She also, remarked 3 times throughout the night.." u smell good". The best part is … As i was leaving, Katie says to me… I’m french cultured, i don’t hug. She grabbed my shirt, pulled me towards her and gave me a pretty nice kiss i must say. Ego was restored. Now, im sure she was drunk, but that had never happend before. It might be my improved PUA game but im still learning so i can conclude that the ammo did alot. ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/7 "2008-10-09T03:48:44Z")
Sorry for the delay… Here is that what happened lately. Two week ends ago, i went out saturday to a 21st bday party. I decided to wear two sprays of instant Jerk and two sprays of ammo. Results As i got into the house, i noticed looks from girls, good loking girls. However, the looks were not specific enough. i could not tell if they were curious looks or " i think u look good looks". I had dressed up pretty nice, so it might have been the latter. One thing that was weird tho, i that when i approached some girls and started flirting, the flirting was not that easy.They did not respond the same way. They seemed a little intimidated or even scared. They avoided eye contact and acted like they were a little pressed to stop talking. It was weird. A little later, my buddies and i left the party and went to a bar to meet that girl from the week before and her friend. I must explain that during the week between that , things got awkward between me and the girl. I did not tell you all that she is still kindda doing a long distance thing with some guy i know. She does not take it very seriously. So we get into the bar and i see her. She is looking HOT, i mean HIZZOT. Now, following the PUA techniques that i have been learning, i acted unimpressed, gave her a little kiss on the cheek ( so she could get a good wiff) and gave her friend most of the attention. Results. BAD MOVE. Next thing i know, i see her making out with some random sasquach looking dude. A second later, she comes , gets her keys and leaves with the guy. WTF??? as if that was not bad enough, about 30mn later, her friend announces that she is going to leave and leaves alone. Bad night. Complete ego crush… The next week end. On saturday, i went to a little party with a girl friend of mine. She asked me to go out with her, so i figured i would restore my ego level by havin a good time with her. to be safe, i werar two sprays of ammo, one on the chest and the other shared between both sides of my neck. Results. I get to the party. Since i did not know anyone, i used my PUA technique and established presence. I started with the guys, talking, busting some balls ( bad beer pong throws) ect. Next thing i know, some cute girl comes to me and says, " Hey, i don’t know u… im Katie." I responded…“Wow wow, Katie is that how u pick up guys? u need to work on that” … Perfect opening it was. i talked to her until she introduced me to her friends. That was great also. I left the night with 3 phone numbers. her and her friends. The best part, as i was leaving i went for the high five goodbye. She stood up and said, " im french cultured" and pulled my shirt, and gave me a pretty good kiss i must say. I said thank you, acted unimpressed and gave her a little slap in on the butt as she turned to go back to her seat. ( It felt amazing to act like that). After that, my friend i came with had that little jealous attitude. Nevertheless, she still came home with me. …Yes… it was great. She remarked several times that night " u smell good". I love ammo. No homo. ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/8 "2008-10-09T03:49:58Z")
Now, i just purchased one more vial of ammo and some [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). I plan on trying them as follows, 2 sprays of ammo, and 2 sprays of P83. Is that good? what should i expect? any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![iamstretchypanda](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/iamstretchypanda/32/1228_2.png) [@iamstretchypanda](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iamstretchypanda)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/9 "2008-10-09T07:57:55Z")
What mcg do you have of p83? I’d aim for 15-20mcg your first time. I had results with 15mcg all the way up to 30mcg (haven’t gone past). I can only classify my results as weird due to lack of testing but maybe you can bring some insight with your great reporting and observational skills. ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/10 "2008-10-10T01:25:12Z")
> [@iamstretchypanda](#): > > What mcg do you have of p83? I’d aim for 15-20mcg your first time. I had results with 15mcg all the way up to 30mcg (haven’t gone past). I can only classify my results as weird due to lack of testing but maybe you can bring some insight with your great reporting and observational skills. My dosage is 12.5 mcg. So i guess i will have to stick to 1 spray at first. Now what do u mean “weird”. A good weird or a bad weird? ---
**Author:** ![iamstretchypanda](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/iamstretchypanda/32/1228_2.png) [@iamstretchypanda](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iamstretchypanda)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/11 "2008-10-10T01:31:07Z")
Interesting weird. Let me refer you to this thread where we are discussing some ‘weird’ [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) results. > [@interesting reactions with P83](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/interesting-reactions-with-p83/20748): > > tested [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) in a classroom setting today for the first time. got some pretty interesting results. i wore my usual daily mix, then added about 20-25mcg of P83 on wrist and arms daily mix: 100+mcg p74 20+ mcg TAC liquid trust 5 sprays edge 1 spray chikara 1 spary cttm 2 sprays IG 1 spray IO 2x 7 sprays IS 2x 8 sprays EST - tiniest dab ok, i sit in between 2 girls and we chat during class somewhat. the girl on my left is a straight A student nice polite girl type, the girl on the righ… ---
**Author:** ![lilplaya3587](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e99b99/32.png) [@lilplaya3587](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lilplaya3587)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/12 "2008-10-10T02:23:35Z")
The [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) thread was interesting. I am going to wait for my order and try it this week end. I think it will be a perfect complement to the PUA " build sexual tension" techniques. I’ll keep yall posted. ---
**Author:** ![williesuave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/74df32/32.png) [@williesuave](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/williesuave)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/45-day-newbie-experiments-and-results/20428/13 "2009-11-11T04:44:36Z")
Have you had the opportunity to experiment with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) yet?