# 4x strength gone? **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [May 5, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186 "2011-05-05T05:04:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bodomslayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@bodomslayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bodomslayer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/1 "2011-05-05T05:04:07Z")
Right when i was planning to purchase, the 4x strength of IH disappeared, leaving only regular strength and 2x. Why? Bums me out big time. ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/2 "2011-05-05T05:09:47Z")
I might buy some if its brought back. Same with Spaceland. ---
**Author:** ![bodomslayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@bodomslayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bodomslayer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/3 "2011-05-05T06:36:05Z")
doesnt IH contain 70% beta androstenone by phero ratio? what would the result be if i got strait beta androstenone without the alpha androstenone (with the cologne so it mobilizes the molecule to the targets nose)? rawr! i wish they offered 4x! Not even a week ago it was an option. When is it coming back??? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/4 "2011-05-05T07:43:13Z")
> [@bodomslayer](#): > > doesnt IH contain 70% beta androstenone by phero ratio? what would the result be if i got strait beta androstenone without the alpha androstenone (with the cologne so it mobilizes the molecule to the targets nose)? rawr! i wish they offered 4x! Not even a week ago it was an option. When is it coming back??? No its not bnone its bnol But it has more then just bnol in it. I notice a little confusion in the store though. We have always been told that IH in the mens section and IH in the ladies section of the store are exactly the same but if you look at the technical info on them in the store it says the IH womens has 4 human [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) and IH mens has 3. This could be a typo or maybe they changed the product without mentioning it which would be highly disappointing. Hopefully John or Steve can clarify it for us. They may be short on one of the putatives that make up IH so to conserve till they get some more they omitted the 4X. I get 4X as well so I hope its not gone for good. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bodomslayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@bodomslayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bodomslayer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/5 "2011-05-05T12:05:57Z")
I see. Roughly how long until AD “reups” and offers 4x again? ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/6 "2011-05-05T12:19:38Z")
So how do i see it on a IH bottle if i have a women´s version or the regular one ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/7 "2011-05-05T14:30:30Z")
I was going to get 4X IO and that’s not available either, sales must be good these days they can’t keep up 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/8 "2011-05-05T16:08:32Z")
> [@bodomslayer](#): > > Right when i was planning to purchase, the 4x strength of IH disappeared, leaving only regular strength and 2x. Why? Bums me out big time. As of the other day 4X has been shelved until further notice for both IO and IH. I was told there has been an announcement made on the forum as to why, but I haven’t actually looked to see if that’s the case. If not, what I have been informed that both Anol and Bnol have significantly increased in price and if we are maintain their stockpiles, at this time we cannot offer 4X of either. I was lead to believe that “as of right now” this is a temporary situation that could change to permanent. We just don’t know. > [@tisha23](#): > > No its not bnone its bnol > > But it has more then just bnol in it. I notice a little confusion in the store though. We have always been told that IH in the mens section and IH in the ladies section of the store are exactly the same but if you look at the technical info on them in the store it says the IH womens has 4 human pheromones and IH mens has 3. > > This could be a typo or maybe they changed the product without mentioning it which would be highly disappointing. Hopefully John or Steve can clarify it for us. > > They may be short on one of the putatives that make up IH so to conserve till they get some more they omitted the 4X. I get 4X as well so I hope its not gone for good. > > Tisha I have not been informed of any changes to the women’s product so I am sure it is just a typo. Perhaps John could shed light on it. ---
**Author:** ![sheik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@sheik](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheik)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/9 "2011-05-05T21:27:39Z")
or maybe an option to decrease the neroli scent so i dont smell like i just came from a fruits buffet hahaha i’m not sure how decreasing the concentration is going to deter people from purchasing double the 2x concentration though which doesn’t quite solve the predicament with stock and price ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/10 "2011-05-06T01:08:58Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > As of the other day 4X has been shelved until further notice for both IO and IH. I was told there has been an announcement made on the forum as to why, but I haven’t actually looked to see if that’s the case. If not, what I have been informed that both Anol and Bnol have significantly increased in price and if we are maintain their stockpiles, at this time we cannot offer 4X of either. > > I was lead to believe that “as of right now” this is a temporary situation that could change to permanent. We just don’t know. > > I have not been informed of any changes to the women’s product so I am sure it is just a typo. Perhaps John could shed light on it. Womens product is the same, must be a typo. I’ll look into it. ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/11 "2011-05-07T02:20:41Z")
> [@bodomslayer](#): > > Right when i was planning to purchase, the 4x strength of IH disappeared, leaving only regular strength and 2x. Why? Bums me out big time. I actually think 1X is better and 2X a good option, that way you keep control of how much you want to on. My 2 cents. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/12 "2011-05-07T05:23:24Z")
> [@Ftordces](#): > > I actually think 1X is better and 2X a good option, that way you keep control of how much you want to on. My 2 cents. However, some users find that they need at least 6-10x sprays from, let’s say IS, to feel the full blown effects. The 4x version used to save a lot of money this way… I just hope I don’t wake up one day and find Androtics out of business because of the “temporary” black outs that never seem to come to an end ☹ ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/13 "2011-05-07T10:23:51Z")
> [@Ftordces](#): > > I actually think 1X is better and 2X a good option, that way you keep control of how much you want to on. My 2 cents. some of us have really high sprays for sweet spots. like 4x 😛 ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/14 "2011-05-07T13:03:38Z")
> [@sheik](#): > > or maybe an option to decrease the neroli scent so i dont smell like i just came from a fruits buffet hahaha > i’m not sure how decreasing the concentration is going to deter people from purchasing double the 2x concentration though which doesn’t quite solve the predicament with stock and price Because they had a significant price break for 2x and 4x relative to 1x. I know that to upgrade from 1x to 2x for IH is less than a 50% increase in price. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/15 "2011-05-07T19:48:00Z")
If we use the current IS as a model since I can’t remember how much IO and IH upgrades use to cost: Set A: 2 of 2x IS = $60+$60 Set B: 1 of 4x IS and 1 of 1xIS = $80+$40 So for the same price I get 1x IS worth of mones more. Prices for mones increased in excess of 25% ? ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/16 "2011-05-07T22:50:58Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > However, some users find that they need at least 6-10x sprays from, let’s say IS, to feel the full blown effects. The 4x version used to save a lot of money this way… > > I just hope I don’t wake up one day and find Androtics out of business because of the “temporary” black outs that never seem to come to an end ☹ It would be cheaper for you to get in shape and eat a healthy diet to produce more of your own pheros, also if you are congruent with the stuff you apply you wouldn’t need so much and save even more money. At 17 I was getting action with the ladies (I did not say girls because at that age I was hunting for 20somethings) quite often and 35 YEARS AGO THERE WAS NO PHEROS, LET ALONG 4X, LE JOUR EST l’audace de l’audace. I mean 4X anything will not compensate for lack of game. ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/17 "2011-05-08T04:43:44Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > However, some users find that they need at least 6-10x sprays from, let’s say IS, to feel the full blown effects. The 4x version used to save a lot of money this way… > > I just hope I don’t wake up one day and find Androtics out of business because of the “temporary” black outs that never seem to come to an end ☹ > [@](#): > > MENGER some of us have really high sprays for sweet spots. like 4x 😛 Look guys, no one needs that many sprays of anything or 4x of anything, what would you had done if you were growing up like me and billions of other men in the world of the 1970’s when there was no [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), I guess you would had been virgins (maybe you guys are) because back then you had to have game and anybody needing (NEEDING) 4X anything means NO GAME, but be clear you can pour the whole 30ML on you, if you don’t have the personality and the will, you may as well pour water on you. Haven’t you heard what the most knowledgeable guys (is not even me) are saying with thunderous voices: WHEN IT COMES PHEROS LESS IS WAY MORE and also pheros are a tool you still need to be congruent with them, I just had an AH HA moment, maybe that’s why you need 4X 🙄. Look, if AD needs to cut back the 4X to remain financially healthy, then I rather you go get some PUA classes and the rest of us to have the 1X or the 2X which really are quite enough. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/18 "2011-05-09T16:03:14Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > However, some users find that they need at least 6-10x sprays from, let’s say IS, to feel the full blown effects. The 4x version used to save a lot of money this way… > > I just hope I don’t wake up one day and find Androtics out of business because of the “temporary” black outs that never seem to come to an end ☹ Then they may be doing something wrong. That’s quite a high concentration. ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/19 "2011-05-09T16:43:20Z")
My sweet spot for IO is 4-6X same with IS. I have the 4X IO which is nice I don’t have to spray myself all over with 1X. Also some stuff like AMMO has a strong scent so you won’t smell so strong using 1 spray of 2X instead of 2 sprays. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186/20 "2011-05-09T17:04:20Z")
Here’s the thing that I think many of you have forgotten or just simply to emotionally charged to take into account: It’s no longer available! There are no if’s, there are no ands, and there are no buts about it. Its a simple formula really. We don’t have it to sell, we are therefore not selling it. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/4x-strength-gone/50186.md?page=2)