# 5 phero experiments YOU would like to see tried

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**Created:** [April 3, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/5-phero-experiments-you-would-like-to-see-tried/10721 "2008-04-03T09:51:36Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/5-phero-experiments-you-would-like-to-see-tried/10721/12 "2008-04-04T03:23:03Z")

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**The kind of insights I would like to see from experiments are like those from posts pasted in below.**  **Not just random experimenting but actually trying to find ways of using putative pheromones/MXs to do things we cannot do at the moment with our current mixes.😃**

For example Tacitus said: “**I have even imagined that P88 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) might be useful in therpeutic settings where those with low social awareness could be trained to read subtle shifts in emotional states and learn appropriate responses**.”

Another example of a great insight resulting in ‘progress’ is the following from Capone:  
**"I think [P83 when added to a high A314 with added Instant Honesty mix] would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you.** Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference.

**In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.**

**I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect."**

[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-comme-des-garcons-scent-markings-chocolate-bars/624/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-comme-des-garcons-scent-markings-chocolate-bars/624/4)  
tacitus (August 30, 2006):  
"

[![](https://pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/icons/icon1.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/images/icons/icon1.gif)

**The strangeness of P88**  
[P88](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is shaping up to be an odd but interesting one… after a morning of exposure to 30 [mu](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) my head is in a non-typical place, perceptionwise… I feel, well… not disoriented but somehow reoriented to information… **for one thing I’m vastly more aware of facial information… not all information, especially not the global perceptual sharpening of TAH ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))… specific awareness of facial expression… I’m reading faces in exquisite detail…  
as it would turn out, the brain has a module for facial awareness, and P88 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) appears to activate that module…**"

> [@Comme des Garcons incense scents and P88 at low doses from a desk fan](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-comme-des-garcons-scent-markings-chocolate-bars/624/6):
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> All in the dosage and the mixage… a teeny weeny iddy biddy bit of P80 may be all you need in most circumstances when all that is required is that extra push over the top… go higher mu and it starts to exude authority, not adolescent petulance, the great downside to pure -none, but solid experienced based presence… P88, do be advised, is a wholly different thing… it is a percepti-mone… it shifts what your mind is attuned to perceive… technically it is kind of “anti-autistic”… you will be more cl…

tacitus (August 31, 2006):  
"… **P88** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) **, do be advised, is a wholly different thing…** it is a percepti-pheromone… it shifts what your mind is attuned to perceive… technically it is kind of “anti-autistic”… you will be more clearly attuned to facial expressions… that might be useful, that might be TMI, could even be romantic as all get out if you want to be absorbed by someones face… **OTOH, if I were to be around less than enlightened beings who were radiating freaky or uncomfortable vibes, I might be grossed out minus my protective particle shield…"**

> [@High performance communication: a 650 mu megadose of MEO-EST and putatives](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-hi-performance-communication-swill/1849/14):
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> Different ball of wax… [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has this interesting property of letting people “hear” (in the broader sense of open communication) each other, TAF is very much a sensory enhancer, P79 has a male vibe with strong sexual potentials, and P88 increases your “seeing”, in the sense that you have greater visual attunements to the micro-expressions (Paul Ekman has written extensively about micro-expression awareness) of those around you… this relates directly to a specific region in the brain called the Fu…

tacitus (February 1, 2007):  
“…[P88](https://pheromonelabs.com/) increases your “seeing”, in the sense that you have greater visual attunements to the micro-expressions (Paul Ekman has written extensively about micro-expression awareness) of those around you… this relates directly to a specific region in the brain called the Fusiform Gyrus which decodes facial expression and is obviously well developed in those with good social awareness… **I have even imagined that P88 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) might be useful in therpeutic settings where those with low social awareness could be trained to read subtle shifts in emotional states and learn appropriate responses**…”

[P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power - #2 by capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/2) ([P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367))  
Capone (December 17, 2007):  
"When p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) arrived home I started using it with [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)+Beta [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and \*\*mixing it with \*\***[p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this, using [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”.**

Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker.

Visionary **IMHO,** p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. \*\*The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women.

Just an opinion, maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) for avoiding this?

\*\*PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg \*\***[p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)** (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/). Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects?"

[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367/4)  
Capone (December 18, 2007):  
"… **I think it complements very well, IMO** p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) (though \*\***[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) does but they talk too much, and that’s more power for you in certain cases). I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).**

**I think [P83] would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you.** Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference.

**In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.**

**I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl ) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.**

P83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) is better in this effect than [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) because IMO [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) tames a lot the respect thing in [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) with that cool vibe (i only tested it three days and didn’t like how it combined with [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/), at least for working).  
I do not have any [EST](https://phera.com/) for testing, sorry.

**The betanol part of the equation in my test is important, at least for me, to tame the shyness of talking to you because of the big-respect thing in [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/), if they don’t talk a lot, they don’t really feel that “special connection” between us, so I use [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) so they can blabla a little about things they should not have said with our real friendship level so they can imagine helped by [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) there’s a connection betweet us because we share some personal or secret thingies.**

**I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, women seem to be affected normally by A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/))+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact.**  **Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 or** [Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)  
Capone (December 20, 2007):  
“… **I must say** p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) has really surprised me, much more than \*\*\*\*[p79](https://pheromonelabs.com/), for example, or at least its effects seem more consistent…\*\*”

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