# a little help getting out of the "Friend" zone **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 10, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571 "2010-09-10T05:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/1 "2010-09-10T05:07:05Z")
ok to make a long story short, i have a female friend who is off the hook and my type of girl and i want her to be my gf idk what it is she struck something in me idk what it is i cant put my finger on it but anyway i got put into the “friend” zone so my question to everyone is how do i get myself out of the “just friends” zone. i know guys go through this at point. any suggestions on what kind of phero i can wear when im with her? thanks -Ase ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/2 "2010-09-10T05:13:00Z")
How old are you? If younger than 18 try 1-2 sprays of ammo, but be careful you might OD. If your 20-ish+ try TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/3 "2010-09-10T05:20:34Z")
im 26 lol yea i know lol ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/4 "2010-09-10T05:29:09Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > im 26 lol yea i know lol If you can afford it buy a314 and use tuth along with it. You might wanna use a314 for a few days before you try to escape the friend-zone, you want to let the self affects have time to sink in. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/5 "2010-09-10T05:31:18Z")
hmm ok ok, hey what can i say when that girl comes along and strikes something in you cant hurt buy try eh ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/6 "2010-09-10T05:37:32Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > hmm ok ok, hey what can i say when that girl comes along and strikes something in you cant hurt buy try eh Ok well find your sweet spot with both tuth and a314 and then make sure that when combined you don’t OD (you probably won’t because a314 has very little none). As far as the conversation, my advice would be carry yourself different. Don’t act like you just want to be her friend (you want to be more so act like it!) and be confident about it, open a door for her and then lightly push her in by putting your hand at your waiste, if she doesn’t seem to mind continue to push the boundries a bit farther. Look for IOI’s and let the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) sink in. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/7 "2010-09-10T05:38:45Z")
I disagree if you’re under 18 [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) could work but not advised, IG with some socials would be a better choice. In your 20’s Ammo is fine, TuTH is more for when you’re already dating and sex is already a possibility, otherwise for daytime use it’s best left to men over 35 even says as much on the AD site. Now just wearing the mones won’t do it alone. You’re already a friend so “opening” is stupid and a waste of time. What you need to focus on first is building attraction for you in her. You want to flip the attraction/value switches. Now you could make up stories, or even go into stories that are true that happen to have attraction switches embedded into them. This could work but the problem is forced congruency is tough to maintain for short periods. The thing I usually advise and TRY to do personally is to look at the attraction/value switches and find ways to make them part of my regular day to day life…BECOME the game. Ex: One of the first attraction switches mentioned buy PUA’s is the “Leader of Men” switch. You could make up a story that portrays you in this light…you could even tell a story that happens to be true about a time when you WERE a leader of men, but it’s far better to find something you can do to actually BE a leader of men and make it **a** (not THE) focus of your life. If you play an instrument, get a band together and simply take the role as frontman/primary songwriter/decision maker of the bands direction etc. You can focus on getting promoted to a management position at work, play a sport etc. Even as simple as stepping up as the leader/initiator of fun within a group of male friends. If you’re always the one that suggests what parties or clubs the group should go to, then they’ll follow your lead because doing so makes their situation better. If this is something you can do regularly you won’t have to think about talking about it…it will be part of your life so talking about it is natural, and many times you won’t even have to do that. When you’re talking to her and a couple of guy friends ask you “so how long are we staying and what do we do after this?” and you tell them, it demonstrates your leadership right in front of her without you having to toot your own horn. You can do things like this for almost all the attraction switches (google them, Mystery lists 4 but Lovesystems and Style have longer lists) After she’s attracted, then and only then do you show interest in her. And when you do so, do it from the position of the employer interviewing a prospective employee, not from the position of the applicant looking for a job. IE qualify her, ask questions based off things that actually matter to you, compliment her and show interest when she says something you like. I won’t get too much into comfort because if you’ve been friendzoned you’re probably already fine there. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/8 "2010-09-10T05:39:07Z")
> [@ggssti](#): > > Ok well find your sweet spot with both tuth and a314 and then make sure that when combined you don’t OD (you probably won’t because a314 has very little none). As far as the conversation, my advice would be carry yourself different. Don’t act like you just want to be her friend (you want to be more so act like it!) and be confident about it, open a door for her and then lightly push her in by putting your hand at your waiste, if she doesn’t seem to mind continue to push the boundries a bit farther. Look for IOI’s and let the pheromones sink in. epic advice man ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/9 "2010-09-10T05:39:40Z")
Your best bet is to take off for about 6 months, seriously. No contact, no texting, no facebook etc. Make her miss you. Show back up with a girl on your arm, reframe the entire situation so she sees you someone as desirable. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/10 "2010-09-10T05:44:48Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Your best bet is to take off for about 6 months, seriously. No contact, no texting, no facebook etc. Make her miss you. > Show back up with a girl on your arm, reframe the entire situation so she sees you someone as desirable. yea, i was thinking about that earlier, its going to take some getting use to cause she is my best friend lol ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/11 "2010-09-10T05:48:24Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > yea, i was thinking about that earlier, its going to take some getting use to cause she is my best friend lol sigh… we all have been there. Sucks, I know your pain. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/12 "2010-09-10T05:59:38Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > sigh… we all have been there. Sucks, I know your pain. yea tell me about it ---
**Author:** ![ggssti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@ggssti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ggssti)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/13 "2010-09-10T06:12:58Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > yea tell me about it If she’s your best friend or vise versa chances are you won’t be able to get out but hope for the best and prepare for the worst. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 6:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/14 "2010-09-10T06:15:09Z")
> [@ggssti](#): > > If she’s your best friend or vise versa chances are you won’t be able to get out but hope for the best and prepare for the worst. never say never my friend 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/15 "2010-09-10T11:31:45Z")
> [@ggssti](#): > > If she’s your best friend or vise versa chances are you won’t be able to get out but hope for the best and prepare for the worst. > [@AseCaps](#): > > never say never my friend 🆒 Ase you’re right. I dated my best friend at the time for 2.5 years. But just be prepared to lose her just incase. In my experiences besides that one, good friends I’ve had that I’ve hooked up with/ONS with were the ones, like thegentleman said, I lost contact with. When things returned, I was totally someone different, more alpha, more exciting. I used to be a beta male, and it sucked. But as time went on, I became more alpha and when my old friends realized this, some of them that I tried things with just ended up staying friends, and some didn’t. Being a girls best friend is akin to sexual “fatality” with her. It just sucks. You’re going to be the guy that’s gonna hear about all the problems and be the crying shoulder, AFTER she bangs the asshole. But do what Rad said and try other things. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/16 "2010-09-10T17:17:30Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Ase you’re right. > > I dated my best friend at the time for 2.5 years. > > But just be prepared to lose her just incase. > > In my experiences besides that one, good friends I’ve had that I’ve hooked up with/ONS with were the ones, like thegentleman said, I lost contact with. When things returned, I was totally someone different, more alpha, more exciting. I used to be a beta male, and it sucked. But as time went on, I became more alpha and when my old friends realized this, some of them that I tried things with just ended up staying friends, and some didn’t. > > Being a girls best friend is akin to sexual “fatality” with her. It just sucks. You’re going to be the guy that’s gonna hear about all the problems and be the crying shoulder, AFTER she bangs the asshole. > > But do what Rad said and try other things. yea im already there man ive gotten to the point that i stop her from talking about her “bf’s” and cut the conversation short or speak about something different. but i am cutting her off slowly as much as it pains me maybe a little time apart will change things. but she is hot man lol ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/17 "2010-09-10T17:24:01Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > yea im already there man ive gotten to the point that i stop her from talking about her “bf’s” and cut the conversation short or speak about something different. but i am cutting her off slowly as much as it pains me maybe a little time apart will change things. but she is hot man lol I would ask Radman or Steve, heck any of the well established PUA’s around here. I can’t quite put into words how I create “tension” fill in the blanks, I’m at work. But once it starts its there. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/18 "2010-09-10T17:34:27Z")
> [@AseCaps](#): > > yea im already there man ive gotten to the point that i stop her from talking about her “bf’s” and cut the conversation short or speak about something different. but i am cutting her off slowly as much as it pains me maybe a little time apart will change things. but she is hot man lol Oh and I almost forgot. I have some hot close friends. Which things have gotten a little frisky at times, for me its great practice on trying out new mixes/“tactics” on them because if you know it works on a friend thats hot, then it works best for other women. Plus your social proof is up when you’re around them. ---
**Author:** ![AseCaps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@AseCaps](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AseCaps)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/19 "2010-09-10T17:36:33Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Oh and I almost forgot. > > I have some hot close friends. Which things have gotten a little frisky at times, for me its great practice on trying out new mixes/“tactics” on them because if you know it works on a friend thats hot, then it works best for other women. Plus your social proof is up when you’re around them. what kind of mixes/tactics, im curious now lol? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571/20 "2010-09-10T17:56:16Z")
I think the best way out of a situation like this is to make her see you in a new light. A slightly different tactic - do not cut off all communication with her. Stay friends but date other women. Make sure they are the type of women that your friend would say “wow” about. But you need to know what she admires and looks up to in other women. You could even ask her sometime. With a lot of luck, when she sees you dating the kind of women she thinks are “great” she may realize that she had you right there and let you get away. But with a little work on her part she could have the best of both worlds. If you start pushing her away too hard she might think you do not really want to even be friends any more. And if you are rude about it she might decide you are just an jerk and will not want anything to do with you. At the same time you are right not to get to involved in discussions about boyfriends, dresses, make-up etc.. It is enough to show that you are around women enough to know the issues, and you can give her a guys take on it, but you are not “one of the girls”. I am around a lot of women. I stay out of those conversations unless they want my take on a situation. And I even throw in the “risque” comment from time to time just to remind them … [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-getting-out-of-the-friend-zone/41571.md?page=2)