# A little help please :) quite a long post ... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 5, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761 "2009-02-05T11:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Karasu16](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Karasu16](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Karasu16)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/1 "2009-02-05T11:57:14Z")
Hello to all! Thanks in advance for helpin out! I’m new to all this pheromone stuff but came across the site and became interested in it and what it had to offer. I’ve bought quite a few products already but have yet to really try any of em, only a few times, i’ve got: Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Ammo, (portable)Instant Honesty, (portable) [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), (portable)Turn up the heat and a very small sample of Instant female magic. Anyways… So heres my dilema, I’ve recently started talking to a girl that I went to middle school with but never talked to, until just recently and I’ve become somewhat attracted to her. When I started talkin via phone to her she had a bf, time passed as I was super busy with work and about a month later I got a hold of her again but she was super down cause her bf of 3 yrs dumped her… so naturally I started talking to her more often, well that kinda back fired on me in a sense cause she texted me “you’re too friendly, most guys who talk to me only want to get with me” and then she said she was kinda weirded out about me trying to be so friendly, and all she would talk about was how she missed her ex blah blah blah… BUT recently,actually two nights ago I met up with her(for the first time) at a local 24hr sbux, she had some school work to do and I had free time on my hands, I asked her if she’d like some company and and she told me only if I wanted to join her, so I did 🙂 She had headphones in as she worked on her paper and every now and then she’d ask me for my opinion, I kinda did my own thing otherwise but we passed note and got a few smiles and giggles from her, we ended up staying at sbux till 6am and after that went and got some breakfast… she had class after and we went our own separate ways, but I didn’t get a hug or anything 😛 I didn’t try anything cause I’m trying not to show that I like her as more than a friend. I have a feeling that people might say just move on but at the moment I feel like I still have a chance since we’ve only hung out once and I don’t think our friendship has really solidified yet… so I’m holding out for now. What I’m getting at is what sort of mix of pheromones from the list above should I use to help me win her over? Or any girls who are kinda in the friend zone? The night we hung out I was wearing 1 spray of ammo on my inside wrist, 1 spray of Instant shine on the back of my hand and 1 spray of IO on the back of my other hand, and I was wearing a pretty heavy coat so that probably didn’t help lol SO… if anyones got any suggestions or tips it’d be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks for taking the time to read all of this and sorry its so long!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/2 "2009-02-05T12:15:34Z")
Ok, you’ve got some good pheros to choose from. I would recommend a combo of ammo, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and Instant Shine. HOWEVER, seeing as you haven’t properly tested them yet, we won’t have an idea of where your sweet spot is. You should be fairly safe to go with one spray of ammo and two sprays of IH and IShine but this would not be the ideal. I suspect that you may already be labelled ‘friend’ not ‘potential lover/mate’ but, if you want to try for her, tell her how you feel, lay it on the line, the essence here is the communication of your feelings, not the pheromones. You are going to have to work hard if you want this girl! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/3 "2009-02-05T13:28:15Z")
if your intention is just to sleep with her, then get outta that zone now. if your intention is to get with her and hang out a while, then its not too late, and all potential long-terms start out as friends. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is a great idea. IH too. i think the IH on a date would provide an excellent opportunity (or maybe several of them) to tell her where your head is at with the friends thing. most gals know you have a thing if your noticing something about them that most people dont. id start there 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Karasu16](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Karasu16](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Karasu16)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/4 "2009-02-05T13:58:38Z")
Thank you both for your input, like I said before its greatly appreciated 🙂 I originally started talking to her as a friend knowing she had a bf, I would never go so low as to break up someone so I could get with them… thats a no-no in my eyes. So originally intended to be friends, her bf of 3yrs dumped her(in a nice way) and I saw that as a chance to maybe hook up with her, ended up talking to her some more got the feed back about being too friendly/coming off as a little weird so decided friends or nothing… hung out with her for the first time for about 7hrs and from being around her and talking to her I started to find myself attracted to her. I’m not looking to just sleep with her if given the chance, I wouldn’t do that to her as I respect her too much. I’d like to as you put it “get with her and hang out a while” if possible, only problem is that we are both really busy with school and work… but Ima try and work it out! 😃 Please, anyone else who’d like to leave feed back please do its always welcome 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/5 "2009-02-05T13:59:19Z")
The IG IO Ishine combo is pretty killer too. Fall back on it if the AMMO IH feels too heavy. Get some touch going on. Arms, hands, lower back, not creepy but comfortable. Google “di carlo escalation ladder” and rep Pheroquirk for posting about it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@dss](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dss)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/6 "2009-02-05T14:49:44Z")
I would put some IFM in there too. ---
**Author:** ![Karasu16](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Karasu16](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Karasu16)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/7 "2009-02-06T03:16:54Z")
Thanks again to all who’ve left some input! 🙂 So if I was to add the IFM in there how much would you recommend? and with what mix? And I’m sorry for the newbie ? but what are the best places to apply these [pheromones](https://a314.com/)? Does race play any part in the pheromone game? and last but not least does it matter where you are?(ex: coffee shop, mall etc.) ---
**Author:** ![dss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@dss](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dss)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/8 "2009-02-06T14:15:44Z")
IFM is for back of neck and maybe wrist if you really want … and I wouldn’t go more than 4 sprays but than I am only 21 so you get the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Karasu16](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Karasu16](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Karasu16)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/9 "2009-02-09T09:43:24Z")
I just read somewhere on another post that had me wondering… Does race play any part in the pheromone game? It’s got me wondering now cause the other post was talking about Asians and pheromones. Well I ask this because the girl I’m after is Asian. Her being a 20yr old Chinese female Me being a 20yr old white male Is that gonna cause any problems for me or any challenges along the way? Any hints/tips on what to do/what to wear with her? ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 10:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-help-please-quite-a-long-post/25761/10 "2009-02-09T10:01:07Z")
There are two schools of thought. One that asian guys produce less -none than other races, therefore asian girls react badly to high -none, the other is that they actually respond well to it. Have a look for a guy called Mark in Dallas, he is dating an Asian girl who is responding very well