# A little hesitant...but... **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 19, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016 "2009-06-19T23:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/1 "2009-06-19T23:18:15Z")
I think it’s time for me to do a little experimenting. I mean, it couldn’t hurt. Guess I could say I’m doing it for the love of science. But I’m a little hesitant… So I’ve been thinking and thinking and I just might go for it. I’m thinking of making my own mix and I already know what all I want to add to it. I’ve already added the ingredients to my cart and am still thinking and wondering…but am pretty sure I’m going to purchase…it’s gonna cost a lot tho and it’s going to be a lot to order all in one setting…Idk if I should Any thoughts? Any ideas for ingredients? I’m looking to make a mix that will combine cuddling, lust, talkativeness, comfort, happiness, and respect. Cuddling and lust would be the two main reactions I’d want and comfort and happiness would be the least of what I’d seek to get out of it. I already have several empty, clean bottles and am looking into buying about 100 plastic pipettes. Any thoughts on which putatives, experimones, etc. to use would be much appreciated. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/2 "2009-06-20T00:10:16Z")
p78 is a super happy fun vibe. Really pulls people out of a funk fast.Also has a bit of that I’m ok to talk to or I’m cool vibe that instant honesty has except its more like everything i do is a-ok. Its pretty frickin awesome with mx135.I should start re-testing p74 so I can try it with p78. hmm shine mx 135 eow p78 p74 and taf? Is that a weird idea? ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/3 "2009-06-20T02:55:41Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > p78 is a super happy fun vibe. Really pulls people out of a funk fast.Also has a bit of that I’m ok to talk to or I’m cool vibe that instant honesty has except its more like everything i do is a-ok. Its pretty frickin awesome with mx135.I should start re-testing p74 so I can try it with p78. > > hmm shine mx 135 eow p78 p74 and taf? > > Is that a weird idea? Hmm, P78 looks like something I’d definitely want to add. I’ve added it to my shopping list. 🙂 Thanks What do you think TAF could do for the mix? ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/4 "2009-06-20T06:50:56Z")
I was thinking it might add some focus to the effects of the mx135 but dunno.Simply basing this on what I’ve read about taf. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/5 "2009-06-20T07:06:18Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > I was thinking it might add some focus to the effects of the mx135 but dunno.Simply basing this on what I’ve read about taf. Hmm, maybe. I need to buy some TAF regardless. Will help in my studies. I went ahead and placed my order. Most things I’ve bought from Androtics. I hope this all works out. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/6 "2009-06-20T14:58:15Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > I was thinking it might add some focus to the effects of the mx135 but dunno.Simply basing this on what I’ve read about taf. I think MX135 already has TAF in it. It really has a ton of [pheromones](https://a314.com/) already there. It is a total kitchen sink kind of mix. The problem with trying to augment a mix like this is that you may end up throwing the ratios off and ruining the effect. MX135 already gives that glamorous star quality vibe that turns heads and makes people drop stuff. I always feel like royalty wearing it, because that is how everyone I run into treats me when I’m wearing it… total VIP. In a mix that maybe is lacking some certain something, I may augment with Putatives or other pheromones. But do you really feel this mix needs something else? 😕 Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/7 "2009-06-20T18:00:38Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I think MX135 already has TAF in it. It really has a ton of pheromones already there. It is a total kitchen sink kind of mix. > > The problem with trying to augment a mix like this is that you may end up throwing the ratios off and ruining the effect. > > MX135 already gives that glamorous star quality vibe that turns heads and makes people drop stuff. I always feel like royalty wearing it, because that is how everyone I run into treats me when I’m wearing it… total VIP. > > In a mix that maybe is lacking some certain something, I may augment with Putatives or other pheromones. But do you really feel this mix needs something else? > 😕 > > Diane I think your right about just using putatives and other pheromones. In fact I really wasn’t planning on touching MX’s with this mix. I can’t remember everything I ordered last night, but it was a combo of P’s and experimones. Some of which Electracomplex mentioned and I believe one you tested with Diane. Probably several you tested with. I was thinking about it so much last night that I couldn’t sleep and I’ve realized that I might have to make two mixes if I want the effects to be strong enough. Still need to order those many pipettes so I don’t cross contaminate. Any other ideas/help? P.S.: I’ve been eyeing me some Meo-Est, but am worried about the inconsistency. I wonder what that could do for a mix 😕 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/8 "2009-06-20T20:16:06Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > I think your right about just using putatives and other pheromones. In fact I really wasn’t planning on touching MX’s with this mix. > I can’t remember everything I ordered last night, but it was a combo of P’s and experimones. Some of which Electracomplex mentioned and I believe one you tested with Diane. Probably several you tested with. > > I was thinking about it so much last night that I couldn’t sleep and I’ve realized that I might have to make two mixes if I want the effects to be strong enough. Still need to order those many pipettes so I don’t cross contaminate. > > Any other ideas/help? > > P.S.: I’ve been eyeing me some Meo-Est, but am worried about the inconsistency. I wonder what that could do for a mix 😕 The most important thing about putatives is to try them out at various doses one at a time so you know for certain how each one effects you. Then try combining two together. And then try adding one at a time. Some of the putatives augment each other, and some fight each other and give unexpected results when worn together. Meo-Est is no exception. Alone it effects people differently depending on your make-up. Meo-Est is a synthesized [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), originally estrogen derived, but changed to an androgen form. There are some theories that it may have more than one attachment moeity and that is why it works differently for different people. One thing about meo-est that is pretty consistent is that you can expect to have vivid dreams for several weeks when you first start using it. This eventually stops. I really enjoyed it while it lasted, but Tisha had vivid nightmares, so be aware of that. What I found with meo-est is that alone it is a nice, but uninspiring molecule. Adding TAF made it a little more interesting. But it wasn’t until I started using it in the 75 - 100 mcg range that its true charm started shining through. At this dosage for me it is a very sensual molecule. It seems to slow everything down to that “purring” slinky range, and makes the slightest touch sensual. Lust - for you or your partner or both? Cops for him, P80 or P83 for you. Beta Androstenol - high dose - if you want your eyes to roll back in your head. Talkativeness - Alpha Androstenol. Cuddling - Definitely invest in some EST from LS - 50-75 mcg seems to be the effective range. Comfort and happiness - small amounts of P102 and/or P103 are relaxing, but too much is sedating. P102 and P103 both augment physical sensation when mixed with Meo-Est at very low doses. P78 is one I’m going to be testing. I think it might fit the bill for those two. Because Meo-Est is effective at 100.0 mcg and EST is effective at 50.0-75.0 mcg, I never add these directly to a mix. I just spray them on first. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/9 "2009-06-20T20:42:00Z")
This is my romp mix. All the below ingredients are sprayed into an empty 5 ml To Go bottle. The data in parentheses is the initial mcg/spray of the original putative in the bottle I’m spraying from. The second set of data in parentheses is the final concentration per spray of that putative _in the mix_. This makes approximately 3.8 ml. 8 sprays TAC (50.0 mcg/spray) (10.5 mcg) 8 sprays P79 (12.5 mcg/spray) (2.6 mcg) 2 sprays P80 (50.0 mcg/spray) (2.6 mcg) 1 spray P91 (25.0 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) 2 sprays P102 (12.5 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) 2 sprays P103 (12.5 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) 4 sprays TAF (20.0 mcg/spray) (2.1 mcg) 11 sprays cops in diluent I spray on 100.0 mcg Meo-Est, 60-75 mcg EST, and 100.0-150.0 mcg Beta Androstenol, and 2 sprays of the above mix. That gives a total of: Meo Est - 100 mcg EST - 60-75 mcg Beta Androstenol - 100-150 mcg TAC - 21 mcg P79 - 5.2 mcg P80 - 5.2 mcg P102 - 1.4 mcg P103 - 1.4 mcg P91 - 1.4 mcg TAF - 4.2 mcg –cops– Sometimes I swap out a molecule - usually where the P91 is in this mix. I’ve substituted P86, P93, P83, Androstenone, etc. The rest is pretty stable. I’ve used up to four sprays… but 2 is sufficient. 😃 For me it takes between 5 - 20 minutes to begin feeling the effects of the pheromones. Walking around after you’ve sprayed seems to speed that up a bit. When they hit it is kinda like being at the top of the roller coaster, just before the plunge. 😮😛 😃 Diane ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/10 "2009-06-20T23:30:21Z")
Wow O.O Hmm on the mx 135 it is a very noticeable effect mx you’re right. I suppose If I wanted a stronger effect I could use more of it but I’m a touch curious how it would interact with other pheros and putatives. I like it a bit better than Is/a because I feel a bit too hmm dominatrixy with is/a which puts it more suitable for clubbing ectra. Mx135 is more broad spectrum for me and has a softer note somewhere in there I like. I’m in control but its more bubbly than brute. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/11 "2009-06-20T23:41:32Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > The most important thing about putatives is to try them out at various doses one at a time so you know for certain how each one effects you. Then try combining two together. And then try adding one at a time. > > Some of the putatives augment each other, and some fight each other and give unexpected results when worn together. > > Meo-Est is no exception. Alone it effects people differently depending on your make-up. Meo-Est is a synthesized pheromone, originally estrogen derived, but changed to an androgen form. There are some theories that it may have more than one attachment moeity and that is why it works differently for different people. > > One thing about meo-est that is pretty consistent is that you can expect to have vivid dreams for several weeks when you first start using it. This eventually stops. I really enjoyed it while it lasted, but Tisha had vivid nightmares, so be aware of that. > > What I found with meo-est is that alone it is a nice, but uninspiring molecule. Adding TAF made it a little more interesting. But it wasn’t until I started using it in the 75 - 100 mcg range that its true charm started shining through. At this dosage for me it is a very sensual molecule. It seems to slow everything down to that “purring” slinky range, and makes the slightest touch sensual. > > Lust - for you or your partner or both? Cops for him, P80 or P83 for you. > > Beta Androstenol - high dose - if you want your eyes to roll back in your head. > > Talkativeness - Alpha Androstenol. > > Cuddling - Definitely invest in some EST from LS - 50-75 mcg seems to be the effective range. > > Comfort and happiness - small amounts of P102 and/or P103 are relaxing, but too much is sedating. P102 and P103 both augment physical sensation when mixed with Meo-Est at very low doses. P78 is one I’m going to be testing. I think it might fit the bill for those two. > > Because Meo-Est is effective at 100.0 mcg and EST is effective at 50.0-75.0 mcg, I never add these directly to a mix. I just spray them on first. > > Diane I bought a lot of what you mentioned. I think your notes were right on with mine. I did forget the P102 and P103. Not that familiar with them yet ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/12 "2009-06-20T23:45:24Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > This is my romp mix. All the below ingredients are sprayed into an empty 5 ml To Go bottle. The data in parentheses is the initial mcg/spray of the original putative in the bottle I’m spraying from. The second set of data in parentheses is the final concentration per spray of that putative _in the mix_. This makes approximately 3.8 ml. > > 8 sprays TAC (50.0 mcg/spray) (10.5 mcg) > 8 sprays P79 (12.5 mcg/spray) (2.6 mcg) > 2 sprays P80 (50.0 mcg/spray) (2.6 mcg) > 1 spray P91 (25.0 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) > 2 sprays P102 (12.5 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) > 2 sprays P103 (12.5 mcg/spray) (0.7 mcg) > 4 sprays TAF (20.0 mcg/spray) (2.1 mcg) > 11 sprays cops in diluent > > I spray on 100.0 mcg Meo-Est, 60-75 mcg EST, and 100.0-150.0 mcg Beta Androstenol, and 2 sprays of the above mix. > > That gives a total of: > > Meo Est - 100 mcg > EST - 60-75 mcg > Beta Androstenol - 100-150 mcg > TAC - 21 mcg > P79 - 5.2 mcg > P80 - 5.2 mcg > P102 - 1.4 mcg > P103 - 1.4 mcg > P91 - 1.4 mcg > TAF - 4.2 mcg > –cops– > > Sometimes I swap out a molecule - usually where the P91 is in this mix. I’ve substituted P86, P93, P83, Androstenone, etc. The rest is pretty stable. I’ve used up to four sprays… but 2 is sufficient. 😃 > > For me it takes between 5 - 20 minutes to begin feeling the effects of the pheromones. Walking around after you’ve sprayed seems to speed that up a bit. When they hit it is kinda like being at the top of the roller coaster, just before the plunge. 😮😛 😃 > > Diane So much math going into this. It kept me up all night last night. I think the only high mcg’s I’ll have will be probably 2 pheros, but the rest will probably be 12.5. Gah, I’ll figure it out, but thanks for the starter. Now I’m off to calculate this mess. Oh and thanks for the walking/roller coaster feel tip. I never really thought of that, but it makes sense 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/13 "2009-06-21T00:13:23Z")
Now I’m wondering… Since I’m not using sprays I can’t really say I’m adding 100mcg component A if I add 2mL of A using my pipettes. Oh wait a sec. I just got an idea! EDIT: Ok I just did a lot of math and figured out something major. I can see this turning into a very long and tedious project. But it should be fun 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/14 "2009-06-21T00:18:39Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Wow O.O Hmm on the mx 135 it is a very noticeable effect mx you’re right. I suppose If I wanted a stronger effect I could use more of it but I’m a touch curious how it would interact with other pheros and putatives. > > I like it a bit better than Is/a because I feel a bit too hmm dominatrixy with is/a which puts it more suitable for clubbing ectra. > > Mx135 is more broad spectrum for me and has a softer note somewhere in there I like. I’m in control but its more bubbly than brute. I think MX135 is a funny critter. I get so much VIP treatment, but the self effects are a little lacking for me. I know what you mean about the softer feel. I think it has both TAH and TAL in it and I don’t usually wear those. Hmmm… I’ll have to think on that one a while. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/15 "2009-06-21T00:20:05Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > So much math going into this. It kept me up all night last night. I think the only high mcg’s I’ll have will be probably 2 pheros, but the rest will probably be 12.5. Gah, I’ll figure it out, but thanks for the starter. Now I’m off to calculate this mess. > > Oh and thanks for the walking/roller coaster feel tip. I never really thought of that, but it makes sense 🙂 If you have a spreadsheet you can set up a dilution calculator. I would go nuts trying to do this on paper every time! Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/16 "2009-06-21T00:42:49Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > If you have a spreadsheet you can set up a dilution calculator. I would go nuts trying to do this on paper every time! > > Diane I think I saw someone doing a spreadsheet today. I might try that. Though I did figure out how many sprays I’d need to get the right amount of everything. Thanks for the idea tho ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/17 "2009-06-21T00:56:18Z")
AHHH! math! _hides_ Is it gone yet? Actually , I like math. Problem is somehow my brain swaps the numbers around all funny either vertically or horizontally and well one digit out of place fubars an equation. Where’s a good spreadsheet to be found? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/18 "2009-06-21T01:35:49Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > AHHH! math! _hides_ Is it gone yet? > > Actually , I like math. Problem is somehow my brain swaps the numbers around all funny either vertically or horizontally and well one digit out of place fubars an equation. > > Where’s a good spreadsheet to be found? I made one on excel spreadsheet. I just set it up to calculate concentration based on what I put in the cells. I just set up a simple set of dilution equations with number of sprays, initial mcg/spray for each pheromone, total mcg for each, final dilution for each. It looks like this (from the above mix): 8 sprays TAC |50.0mcg/spray|400.0 mcg total|10.5 mcg/spray |2 sprays|21.1 mcg TAC **8** sprays P79 | **12.5** mcg/spray| **100.0** mcg total|\_ **2.6** mcg/spray| **2** sprays | **5.3** mcg P79 **2** sprays P80 | **50.0** mcg/spray| **100.0** mcg total|\_ **2.6** mcg/spray| **2** sprays | **5.3** mcg P80 **1** sprays P91 | **25.0** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P91 **2** sprays P102| **12.5** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P102 **2** sprays P103| **12.5** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P103 **4** sprays TAF | **20.0** mcg/spray|_ **80.0** mcg total_| **2.1** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **4.2** mcg TAF **11** sprays diluent with cops **38**** Total Sprays** The way this calculates is: 1. the first colum, number of sprays adds down to give total sprays; 2. the mcg/spray diluted is calculated by taking the mcg total for each pheromone and dividing it by the total sprays (i.e., 400.0 mcg TAC divided by 38 = 10.5 mcg/spray); 3. The total mcg applied is the number of sprays x the diluted mcg/spray (i.e., 2 sprays 10.5 mcg/spray TAC = 21.1 mcg TAC I like this spreadsheet because it is very easy to plan out a mix and then change up anything you want and play around with the dosages… Say I wanted more P79 and less P80. I’d keep the total number of sprays the same and play around with the number of sprays of the two pheromones. The only thing to remember with this is that if you are spraying into a 5 ml container, keep the number of sprays to less than 45, less than this if you are using the 30 ml bottles to spray from. Oh, and remember that the 30 ml bottles spray more product than the 5 ml To Go’s do. The To Go spray is about .8 that of the 30 ml bottles, so use one or the other, but not both. I transfer product into empty 5 ml bottles and then spray from those into the mix to make sure my ratios are always the same. I also like to pick one key molecule and set that to around 10-12.5 mcg/spray diluted. In the above example it is TAC. That way I can start with one spray of the mix to judge its effects and have room to go up. You can dilute everything by adding more diluent, but it just makes it one more step I don’t want to hasle with and this keeps my product waste to a minimum. One other point… if you are going to be making mixes rather than layering on product it is important to order higher initial concentrations of the molecules. You can’t take a dilute product and dilute it further and make it stronger. You will just end up having to use a large number of sprays to get the same amount of product. Who was it that sprayed on 22 sprays of 2.5 mcg/spray [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) the other day? That is a lot of wet to dry down! 😛 Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/19 "2009-06-21T01:48:57Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > AHHH! math! _hides_ Is it gone yet? > > Actually , I like math. Problem is somehow my brain swaps the numbers around all funny either vertically or horizontally and well one digit out of place fubars an equation. > > Where’s a good spreadsheet to be found? Yeah I actually don’t like math, but I can still work with it if I sit down and don’t get distracted. I checked everything and my amounts and calculations seem sound. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016/20 "2009-06-21T01:56:52Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I made one on excel spreadsheet. > > I just set it up to calculate concentration based on what I put in the cells. I just set up a simple set of dilution equations with number of sprays, initial mcg/spray for each pheromone, total mcg for each, final dilution for each. It looks like this (from the above mix): > > 8 sprays TAC |50.0mcg/spray|400.0 mcg total|10.5 mcg/spray |2 sprays|21.1 mcg TAC > > **8** sprays P79 | **12.5** mcg/spray| **100.0** mcg total|\_ **2.6** mcg/spray| **2** sprays | **5.3** mcg P79 > **2** sprays P80 | **50.0** mcg/spray| **100.0** mcg total|\_ **2.6** mcg/spray| **2** sprays | **5.3** mcg P80 > **1** sprays P91 | **25.0** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P91 > **2** sprays P102| **12.5** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P102 > **2** sprays P103| **12.5** mcg/spray|_ **25.0** mcg total_| **0.7** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **1.3** mcg P103 > **4** sprays TAF | **20.0** mcg/spray|_ **80.0** mcg total_| **2.1** mcg/spray | **2** sprays | **4.2** mcg TAF > **11** sprays diluent with cops > > **38**** Total Sprays** > > The way this calculates is: > > 1. the first colum, number of sprays adds down to give total sprays; > 2. the mcg/spray diluted is calculated by taking the mcg total for each pheromone and dividing it by the total sprays (i.e., 400.0 mcg TAC divided by 38 = 10.5 mcg/spray); > 3. The total mcg applied is the number of sprays x the diluted mcg/spray (i.e., 2 sprays 10.5 mcg/spray TAC = 21.1 mcg TAC > > I like this spreadsheet because it is very easy to plan out a mix and then change up anything you want and play around with the dosages… Say I wanted more P79 and less P80. I’d keep the total number of sprays the same and play around with the number of sprays of the two pheromones. The only thing to remember with this is that if you are spraying into a 5 ml container, keep the number of sprays to less than 45, less than this if you are using the 30 ml bottles to spray from. > > Oh, and remember that the 30 ml bottles spray more product than the 5 ml To Go’s do. The To Go spray is about .8 that of the 30 ml bottles, so use one or the other, but not both. I transfer product into empty 5 ml bottles and then spray from those into the mix to make sure my ratios are always the same. > > I also like to pick one key molecule and set that to around 10-12.5 mcg/spray diluted. In the above example it is TAC. That way I can start with one spray of the mix to judge its effects and have room to go up. You can dilute everything by adding more diluent, but it just makes it one more step I don’t want to hasle with and this keeps my product waste to a minimum. > > One other point… if you are going to be making mixes rather than layering on product it is important to order higher initial concentrations of the molecules. You can’t take a dilute product and dilute it further and make it stronger. You will just end up having to use a large number of sprays to get the same amount of product. > > Who was it that sprayed on 22 sprays of 2.5 mcg/spray Instant Shine the other day? That is a lot of wet to dry down! 😛 > > Diane 22 sprays of IShine?! Talk about perfume overkill! 😮 I did that once with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) because the dosage was so low (2.5 mcg) Luckily none of the pheros I bought were too low. I looked at your example and my math followed pretty close to that except I was doing it for a 1/2 oz bottle which I found to have 15 mL inside. That’s about half of the sprays that will be in the 30 mL which would be 200/2. So 100 sprays per 15mL. Problem is the bottle has one of those dabbing things and not a spray head. Curses! 😠 I already had something in one of my bottles and dabbed it on to my wrist to see how it looked in comparison to a spray. I think perhaps 1-2 dabs would be sufficient to a spray, but of course it’s not at all accurate. I’m either going to try to work with this or see if I can find a spray bottle (preferably one that isn’t only 5mL) I did the math tho and it looks like I’ll need 8 sprays to get the right amount of effects from each component. 8 sprays sounds like a lot so I may only use 4 sprays and spray an intensifier with it. Thoughts? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-little-hesitant-but/30016.md?page=2)