# A more universal Raw Power? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 27, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844 "2008-07-27T00:32:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/1 "2008-07-27T00:32:53Z")
Simple enough question. I don’t know what the story is exactly, but it’s been rumored for a while that [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) (and I guess possibly Dirty?) may be discontinued, or undergo a long re-stock delay. Whether it was due to lack of interest shown by the community, or a cost effect problem.. I don’t know. But it’s sort of been brought up again indirectly by SteveO and Mark in this thread: [I felt the Power, rolled around got Dirty and ended Shiney!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-felt-the-power-rolled-around-got-dirty-and-ended-shiney/16329) So I want to pose a question to the rest of the community, and sort of gauge what changes may promote more interest. I personally, was a bit shy in ordering Raw Power due to its high concentration of none per drop (10mcg). So if Androtics could somehow cater to the community on a more universal level by altering the androstenone content per drop, would you have more interest in testing it out? Yes-no-maybe so? Spill out your thoughts and opinions! Edit: For anyone who doesn’t know what Raw Power is, check out some of Mark’s reports in his journal. > [@I felt the Power, rolled around got Dirty and ended Shiney!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-felt-the-power-rolled-around-got-dirty-and-ended-shiney/16329/3): > > Raw Power really is awesome and I’ve found that it can be added to almost any mix to build or increase sexual tension, and it’s not the slap in the face type like alcohol based None products, but more of a slow burn and build. ---
**Author:** ![ntr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@ntr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/2 "2008-07-27T01:39:01Z")
You left out: No, it’s fine the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/3 "2008-07-27T02:14:27Z")
While [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) is 10 mcg’s per drop, it’s not the same as 10 mcg’s of TUTH or straight Androstenone. Since it is in an oil base it has more of a creeping up effect, rather than the slap-in-the-face impact of TUTH. The immediate impact of one drop of Raw Power is probably close to the impact of 1 or amybe 2 sprays of TUTH, at best. I feel that the building effect of Raw Power drastically cuts down on the chance of OD’ing, and women exposed to a slower buildup effect, instead of the immediate impact of TUTH or other alcohol based products are better able to handle higher levels of None. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/4 "2008-07-27T03:43:27Z")
> [@ntr](#): > > You left out: > > No, it’s fine the way it is. I think it is the 3rd option here 🙂 Im 20, but still can wear one drop, not more, along with a lot of io to balance out. Anything more would give me a headache or pressure, not sure why, but androstenone doesn’t really turn me on, maybe it is only for the ladies 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![ntr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@ntr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/5 "2008-07-27T04:24:46Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > I think it is the 3rd option here Not the same thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/6 "2008-07-27T06:30:26Z")
I left the option you’re looking for out on purpose. If you already own [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), the poll doesn’t really apply to you at all. Target group I’m asking is people who don’t own Raw Power, and to get a better understanding if they’d be more willing to purchase it if it was formulated with a different concentration of androstenone per drop. Keep in mind I’m also not asking if people want Raw Power completely changed, I’m asking if there’d be interest for a second _lighter_ version, to cater to the younger crew. If you’re still looking for a ‘No it’s fine the way it is’ option, I guess I could always add it in, but its basically inferring that you’ve already tested and reported on Raw Power; because again my question is whether you’d be more willing to test and report if there was a different variation of Raw Power. If you don’t own Raw Power or have never reported on it, then you would pick the 3rd option as Mockingbird has already stated. I hope that clears up any confusion. The reason this topic is even coming up, is because there seems to be a lackluster interest in Raw Power and Dirty, leading to the rumors of potentially being discontinued; which I don’t think anyone wants to see happen. ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 6:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/7 "2008-07-27T06:37:57Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > While Raw Power is 10 mcg’s per drop, it’s not the same as 10 mcg’s of Turn Up The Heat or straight Androstenone. Since it is in an oil base it has more of a creeping up effect, rather than the slap-in-the-face impact of Turn Up The Heat. > > The immediate impact of one drop of Raw Power is probably close to the impact of 1 or amybe 2 sprays of TUTH, at best. I feel that the building effect of Raw Power drastically cuts down on the chance of OD’ing, and women exposed to a slower buildup effect, instead of the immediate impact of TUTH or other alcohol based products are better able to handle higher levels of None. I completely agree with you, in all the points you’ve made. But I just find the idea of using an oil based androstenone product for every day use more appealing than one used only for clubs. Even if 1 drop only equates to 2 sprays of TUTH, it’s still not something practical to walk around with during the day. The idea of an androstenone based oil product is extremely attractive, and having a less concentrated version would make it all the more versatile for all the different situations you may want to use it in. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/8 "2008-07-27T09:50:44Z")
Actually its just peoples fear of it that holds them away from RP. They tend not to understand the difference between how oil versions work and how alcohol versions work. 10 mcg in a oil base is not alot of anone. Its a slow diffusing mix in oil. Its subtle at 10 mcg and to go lower would just make you need to use more drops to see results. It dosnt hit as hard as TUTH even with the much higher anone ratio. Yes they have considered not restocking it and its something we have fought against them doing. SteveO just tried it out for the first time, He stayed away from it for the same reasons as everyone else, the high amount of anone. He found its much more smooth. It has less negatives then TUTH and just brings out that sexy masculine powerful vibe. I think the tides are turning and they are realizing that people do want this product to stay in stock. Steve has mentioned in another thread that he is working on it. Its important for all of us to learn the difference between how a oil based product and a alcohol based product works. Hint Hint LOL So remember Alcohol diffuses strong fast and hits hard causing a “instant” reaction. Oil products diffuse slow, long and subtle meaning you need to increase the MCG in the oil product considerably to see results. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/9 "2008-07-27T13:27:29Z")
I like [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) a lot, 10mcg is definitely not too high I have posted in the past, that I even wear it at work with no negative consequences It is much safer to wear this then to wear Turn up the heat at work For clubs i would wear 2 drops, but for your average daily run of the mill 1 drop is fine In fact at work I have worn 1 spray of heavy ammo, 2 sprays of MX203 and 1 drop of Raw power, and that combo seems to work well. I have not worn it in a while or posted about it because I thought it was discontinued, so I have been saving it, and figured why mention a product that is no longer available. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/10 "2008-07-27T17:22:25Z")
I’ve got it and like it as it is. Androtics should have a pure Androstenone product in an oil carrier, and this is it. I vote for keeping it with no changes. (I and many other older guys could suggest higher dosages, but that might make it unusable for younger guys. As it is, its a good compromise and I can simply put on more drops.) ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/11 "2008-07-27T18:07:11Z")
What about a change in the name? It’s definitely a lot edgy-er sounding than turnup the heat, and the product page itself is pretty intense. I think the negative advertising (as a primal instinct killer) needs to go too. I like the idea of a none based oil, and I really wanted to try it before it got sold out, but like everyone else, I was too intimidated to try it. Right now it’s fallen into the “[Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)” category of “you’d have to be crazy” to try it. What I’m saying is, don’t change the product, change the product image. ---
**Author:** ![TheGoon6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegoon6/32/435_2.png) [@TheGoon6](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGoon6)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/12 "2009-11-11T22:21:39Z")
Ok, I’m not sure what’s going on with the dates up top. On the front page of the board, it says it was posted today, but when I open the thread, it says all the posts are from July 26-27 of 2008. What’s goin’ on?? And man, I really want Dirty and [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) to be released. They’d be the first things I’d put on my next order. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/13 "2009-11-11T23:57:09Z")
Must of been bumped. lol @ the skewed poll options. I would buy it at 10mcg, which seems like just the right concentration based on the reports. Now if only it was in stock… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-more-universal-raw-power/189844/14 "2013-02-21T06:35:10Z")
Its whenever someone votes on the Poll - Pushes it straight to the top of the board, despite the thread being otherwise inactive. Another board I’m on that used to use VB suffered the same problem and they eventually found a way of turning the vote-bump off.