# A new favorite - Summer Ammo +++ **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 30, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593 "2013-03-30T07:32:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/21 "2013-04-09T05:34:36Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > I like that P75/P83/Summo combination. Not sure about the P91. But Summer Ammo combined with P75 and P83 is a winner! Why do YOU say it’s a winner; and at what ratios did you use with those three that made you share your findings, Rag? And! Is this your findings from ONE NIGHT out, or have you been playing with that combo for a while? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/22 "2013-04-09T12:19:49Z")
M&M, I dunno really; I’ve never bought any of this stuff, I just thought it would be cool to post something. SERIOUSLY I’ve been targeting a 39 year old woman at work for a while now. I’m 56, but people tell me I look like 46, and most of our clients think this lady and I are already married or in a relationship, from the way we interact at work. We work within 3 feet of each other all day. I wanted to bust out of the friend zone, but didn’t want to overload on Ammo at work. For almost 3 weeks now I’ve been using one drop of A314 oil divided between my ear lobes, for that “James Bond” authority. But I didn’t want to send out too much of a “father” signal, so I stick to just one drop A314. To create a masculine presence, I use P75 at 2.5mcg - 5.0mcg mixed with P83 at 20mcg - 40mcg. The P83 seems to take the edge off the P75, and make her feel comfortable with touching at work. Then I use 3 sprays of Summer Ammo as well. I also tone down the A314 a little with 2 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), and add a little youth with 2 sprays of 2x Instant Shine. So my base is A314, but I feel the core of my application is the P75 / P83 mix on one side of my neck, with Summer Ammo on the other side of my neck. Like I said, I have been using this combo every work day for almost 3 weeks, and I’m seeing some signs of fallout; she is starting to criticize her best friend, who I have taken out for dinner (just friends), and become defensive about who I spend time with. She just asked me round to her house tonight for the first time since we started noticing each other 7 months ago, and then asked me to go with her tomorrow evening to sort out some personal affairs and then out to eat. I guess it could all be a coincidence, but it looks like there is a slow but sure fallout in progress. Sure, A314 is the background, but P75/P83 with Summer Ammo is an iron fist wrapped in a velvet glove. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/23 "2013-06-03T15:30:27Z")
Did you find your gaming skills made the most difference? After all even with p75 I find summer ammo though the cute puppy leaves all power with the woman to walk the dog.. Unless the puppy is a good trickster and is a master at game he’s not bossing around the woman with the power to control him. Summer ammo is just that even with p75… Jovial, happy, relaxed, calm, social, humourous, and even sexy to some extent but its hard to be taken seriously once you make a complete joke out of yourself.. And sooner or late with all those socials that exactly what most guys will do .. Unless they are like Master Steve a trickster. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/24 "2013-06-04T00:32:33Z")
I’m pretty sure I used [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) in something similar to what you’ve got, Ragnar. I think it’s the 130 in SUMMO doing it. 75, 130, 4 sprays IH, about 20 mcg P74. Try higher with the I H. You could also try leaving off SUMMO and using P102 or adding 102 to it. It’s the focus molecule in Summer, IH, etc. makes it rock. It’s part of the whole crush deal. P102 would probably perform better here than P83. You’re a quick study. Precisely because 75 alone isn’t alpha enough for me (and due to preference for sprays), I’m probably changing up my sig shortly for something near where you’re at. Remember though, you can send too many divergent signals. The focus in Summer could conflict with the nature of P83. It’s a bit of a mind zap, especially with IH. Try to limit yourself to maybe 4-5 products tops. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/25 "2013-06-04T14:43:03Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Did you find your gaming skills made the most difference? After all even with p75 I find summer ammo though the cute puppy leaves all power with the woman to walk the dog.. Unless the puppy is a good trickster and is a master at game he’s not bossing around the woman with the power to control him. > > Summer ammo is just that even with p75… Jovial, happy, relaxed, calm, social, humourous, and even sexy to some extent but its hard to be taken seriously once you make a complete joke out of yourself.. And sooner or late with all those socials that exactly what most guys will do .. Unless they are like Master Steve a trickster. I think you have it nailed my friend. I used this to soften my sometimes overpowering confidence. I can get arrogant with game so this helped me tone it down thus enabling me to up my game. ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/26 "2013-06-04T21:43:06Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I’m pretty sure I used P130 in something similar to what you’ve got, Ragnar. I think it’s the 130 in SUMMO doing it. 75, 130, 4 sprays IH, about 20 mcg P74. Try higher with the I H. You could also try leaving off SUMMO and using P102 or adding 102 to it. It’s the focus molecule in Summer, IH, etc. makes it rock. It’s part of the whole crush deal. P102 would probably perform better here than P83. > > You’re a quick study. Precisely because 75 alone isn’t alpha enough for me (and due to preference for sprays), I’m probably changing up my sig shortly for something near where you’re at. Remember though, you can send too many divergent signals. The focus in Summer could conflict with the nature of P83. It’s a bit of a mind zap, especially with IH. Try to limit yourself to maybe 4-5 products tops. That was back at the beginning of April! Since then I found that the combination of A314 with P75 and Ammo was getting a little too masculine/aggressive for her, so I have switched out the P75/Ammo for Steve’s Cohesion oil (Androstadienone). Everything else in the mix is the same. Why do you feel that P102 would work better than the P83? Just curious 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/27 "2013-06-05T03:45:47Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > That was back at the beginning of April! Since then I found that the combination of A314 with P75 and Ammo was getting a little too masculine/aggressive for her, so I have switched out the P75/Ammo for Steve’s Cohesion oil (Androstadienone). Everything else in the mix is the same. > > Why do you feel that P102 would work better than the P83? Just curious 🙂 I’ve tested [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and 25 P83 in places like libraries before. It makes a reasonable combo with 75. P83 works best to disinhibit sexual tension, or, really, LMR. It’s mone for 3rd base rather than 1st or 2nd. P102 is a nice booster that makes a target aware you are the source of the primary signature. It grabs attention. 83 is of limited use unless the target is ready and able to act in a sexual way to it. Are you making out with her at work? If not, save it for dates, romantic encounters. It wouldn’t be my first choice for seduction until late in the game. Status, provider, youth and **crush** are your signature effects goals. A314, IH, P74 and A1 (IIRC) are all proven in the crush combo. 314 gives you and adequate hint of None for now. Once she’s hooked (dating you, actively), TUTH it then, or Summo. True Fact: I got crazy hits of a girl 20 years younger washing my hair with Dial w/ A1. Crappy product, but it does work. Steve’s as close to a genius round these parts going lately. He’s able to do something I’ve never had the resources to: thoroughly get at the true chemical essence and synthesis of these molecules. It’s like wine tasting. Google _asymmetric synthesis_ sometime. Producing a pure molecule is harder than it seems. I know e-commerce and SEO, etc. Nothing about the actual business of selling mones to a consumer. Good stuff. Not eBay crap. So, if Steve gets the good stuff and has excellent customer svc., he’s one of very few that can. It’s not like selling cologne. There’s no univ. text on mixology. It’s all like alchemy. ---
**Author:** ![right\_mr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3da27b/32.png) [@right\_mr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/right_mr)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/28 "2013-06-05T15:19:34Z")
I think summer ammo is definitely lacking something as a standalone. I haven’t worked out what exactly. played football today and during the pre match and end of the match I had sprayed 4 doses. went to the pub and the hits were off the charts. looks like it was the p130. given I still had shin pads etc one, and had sweated tons while playing something kicked in just right and perhaps high none levels were acceptable to the ladies because I was in sportswear… interesting. will deliberately do 4 sprays of summer ammo next week after the Footy and see if I can replicate the hits. they were rockstar level hits … but I don’t what fell into place to get me those super strong hits this evening EDIT travelled to work this morning in sports gear on the train. A314(rev 31) x 4 drops and 2 sprays of summer ammo. bam! solid hits. seems like the ladies love summer ammo on me when i have my body on show. I think wearing suits is making me quite intimidating with a lot of status and none products on. More warmth and dependability based products seem more appropriate for my work attire as then I won’t appear to be a aggressive, grand mother selling, greedy city worker. .. Back in work gear ---
**Author:** ![Jcarrier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jcarrier](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jcarrier)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/29 "2013-06-08T19:27:29Z")
Any differences in effect from regular Ammo and [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), or is it just the scent? Both equally as effective to pick women? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/30 "2013-06-09T02:02:38Z")
[Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) has TAA and P130 in the mix, so its a more chilled/laid back feel compared to standard Ammo. You also only get it in the 1x formula - no heavy versions. And the Summer scent is the best of all the Ammos IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Jcarrier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jcarrier](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jcarrier)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/31 "2013-06-09T15:13:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Summer Ammo has TAA and P130 in the mix, so its a more chilled/laid back feel compared to standard Ammo. You also only get it in the 1x formula - no heavy versions. > > And the Summer scent is the best of all the Ammos IMO. When you mean more laid back, do you mean will be less effective in the attraction game, less sexual? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/32 "2013-06-09T17:04:10Z")
Well if you’re an aggressive guy whose deparate for sex ammo and mones like p75 may amp up your aggressive vibe.. Works great for ONS and bars but around younger girls who are probably not hanging out in places like that or not looking for just ONS the summer ammo vibe would help you to chills while communicating with young girls, and sorta get them into you to the point where the chase is on. I like how summer ammo makes my mind feel especially when used with p75. Its laid back confidence.. Not so much sexually charged. I only use it around cafes where young girls hang out or work since its best for communication around that demographic and age group but not for sex, dates etc since these girls are too young. If you’re a young guy summer ammo may be just what you need to score. For older women I find I get balked at with summer ammo.. They won’t take you seriously. They want a MAN not a puppy. You can use the regular IS AMMO line but don’t expect women to initiate first like they often do with summer ammo. Older women expect a man to lead for the most part and may think your too wimpy or have no balls if you don’t. Sex also comes easier with them if you play your cards right. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/33 "2013-06-09T17:46:21Z")
Yup - Depending on age and situation, you may find it just fine - esp on a younger guy around younger women. At my age, I find it a good daytime/general phero but I do find it often needs to be bolstered with something else - P75, Alpha 7, TUTH and IG are all useful secondaries in a supporting sexual/status role. Took it out with Ascend-, P75 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) this weekend and had great fun. An excellent mix for meeting and chatting to women. ---
**Author:** ![Jcarrier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jcarrier](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jcarrier)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/34 "2013-06-09T18:00:51Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yup - Depending on age and situation, you may find it just fine - esp on a younger guy around younger women. > > At my age, I find it a good daytime/general phero but I do find it often needs to be bolstered with something else - P75, Alpha 7, TUTH and IG are all useful secondaries in a supporting sexual/status role. > > Took it out with Ascend-, P75 and P83 this weekend and had great fun. An excellent mix for meeting and chatting to women. I’m 36 looking for ONS with girls around my age and younger. But i’m looking for something that i can wear in different settings (during the day, at night and on just casual outings with friends - like going out for dinner). In the end, i do want to get hits from women, instead of having to chase and work hard at it (because in my relationship situation i cant afford that…). So regular Ammo? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/35 "2013-06-09T21:51:42Z")
> [@Jcarrier](#): > > I’m 36 looking for ONS with girls around my age and younger. But i’m looking for something that i can wear in different settings (during the day, at night and on just casual outings with friends - like going out for dinner). In the end, i do want to get hits from women, instead of having to chase and work hard at it (because in my relationship situation i cant afford that…). So regular Ammo? I personally think summer ammo is too laid back a vibe for ONS; it may of worked with SteveO but he is the exception and most other guys on this forum would describe summer ammo as simply jovial fun. Try this go to sleezy massage parlours during the daytime or early evening wearing a lot of tuth or NPA. The most obviously bet is to pay for sex with all your restrictions (relationship, your age, not going out at night) if you just want ONS. If you go to 2 to 3 different massage parlours known for “favors” a week you may get sex easier. Nightclubs are out because you say you don’t want to go out at that time . The only other option is to hire a woman for sex. ---
**Author:** ![Jcarrier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jcarrier](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jcarrier)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/36 "2013-06-10T05:32:10Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I personally think summer ammo is too laid back a vibe for ONS; it may of worked with SteveO but he is the exception and most other guys on this forum would describe summer ammo as simply jovial fun. > > Try this go to sleezy massage parlours during the daytime or early evening wearing a lot of tuth or NPA. The most obviously bet is to pay for sex with all your restrictions (relationship, your age, not going out at night) if you just want ONS. If you go to 2 to 3 different massage parlours known for “favors” a week you may get sex easier. Nightclubs are out because you say you don’t want to go out at that time . The only other option is to hire a woman for sex. Honestly, paying for sex doesn’t do much for me. It’s not really what i’m looking for. What i’m looking is to generate hits to then be in a position to decide what i want to do with it. Meaning i’m looking to get women to come forward instead of me having to come forward, which could be messy. But I still can go out at night, clubs, etc, just not everyday. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/37 "2013-06-10T08:44:33Z")
> [@Jcarrier](#): > > I’m 36 looking for ONS with girls around my age and younger. But i’m looking for something that i can wear in different settings (during the day, at night and on just casual outings with friends - like going out for dinner). Regular Ammo or Ammo/IS might well be better at 36 but I can’t deny the effectiveness of [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) for making quite staggering doses of none effective around much younger women - it has often blindsided me this way! And Summer is a great product for daytime/casual situations, that can be transitioned to a much more sexual signature by adding one of the products I suggested above, depending on the environment. But frankly, no phero is going to make a woman just stop and approach you on a regular basis if she’s not already well into you - it can happen occasionally but mostly in club/raunchy environments. In more casual/polite situations, you are more likely to get strong IOIs, which you then need to act-on in the usual manner. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jcarrier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@Jcarrier](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jcarrier)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593/38 "2013-06-10T13:56:53Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Regular Ammo or Ammo/IS might well be better at 36 but I can’t deny the effectiveness of P130 for making quite staggering doses of none effective around much younger women - it has often blindsided me this way! > > And Summer is a great product for daytime/casual situations, that can be transitioned to a much more sexual signature by adding one of the products I suggested above, depending on the environment. > > But frankly, no phero is going to make a woman just stop and approach you on a regular basis if she’s not already well into you - it can happen occasionally but mostly in club/raunchy environments. In more casual/polite situations, you are more likely to get strong IOIs, which you then need to act-on in the usual manner. 🙂 Oh those Axe commercials. I’ve only they’d smell the mones and through their panties at you 😉 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-new-favorite-summer-ammo/58593.md?page=1)