# A note to those skeptical. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192 "2010-02-12T14:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![antisoshal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@antisoshal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/antisoshal)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/1 "2010-02-12T14:02:03Z")
So I’m on day three of trying to break my wifes cycle of bad moods and moping augmented with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Day one was by far a success I wasn’t expecting, and while I understand it doesnt qualify as un-questionable science, it convinced me there was at least SOMETHING going on. Day 2 went more or less the same as day one. After learning what the different compounds are purpoted to represent, I realized I didn’t have everything I needed to accomplish what I was working towards and placed a new order at two places to cover bases that either aren’t or cant be covered here. In the meantime I was planning on laying off last night as a control mechanism. The wife came home and was an instant mope, crabby with both me and the daughter and scowling at everything. She laid down on the couch and stared at her computer. after 20 minutes, I decided that was enough of a control (translate: okay, enough bullshit. lets see if I can affect this) and piled on some Shine, Openness and a product that advertises containing something I know cant work, but does contain none and non at some unknown concentration as well. Given that I dont know the exact efficacy of the questionable solution, I decided to err on the side of “HOLY SHIT!” and pounded it on. Its un-scented so I wasn’t concerned about the "why are you wearing too much cologne to make dinner) factor. In under 10 minutes she was chatty, smiling and laughing again. I was as serious skeptic prior to acquiring this stuff. I understand the mechanisms, and believe the biology and science could be valid, but I more or less assumed if it was going to be this simple someone would have done it already and been ruling the human race by now. In addition, the flowery and often wildly speculative “reports” about success to me have all the hallmarks of enthusiastic placebo, so I did my best to remain as objective as possible. As of now its clear to me SOMETHING in these bottles is having a genuine psychoactive affect on her, and while I cant say which or in which concentration, its a positive effect. My behavior has not changed consciously since I began using them. Objectively I understand it would be easy to say " sure it has. You just don’t think it has", but since my behavior was key to my issues prior to these tests, I was extremely aware and deliberate in almost every motion already. Since all my actions were deliberate and purposeful as a result of previous decisions, I have been staying the course and trying to utilize the pheromones as an adjunct to increase the success of other methods. Behavior alone was NOT having any genuine effect. Introducing one or more pheromones immediately resulted in positive effects. She spends all day moping about how she will spend all night moping, so my goal is to break the cycle and make home a happy place to be again. Once shes in that frame of mind for a bit, I will have to seek some more permanent changes, but getting her to even WANT to fix things and move forward is the first step. Im not relying on it as a sole cure, but its definitely a better tool than I was expecting, and by a magnitude of order. Eventually I will try to be more deliberate and methodical in my categorizing results. For now I am thankful it seems to be working on any level. As of now I cant tell you which molecule is accomplishing what elaborately described effect (and I would question how much of many of the “reports” is just wishful projecting and verbose placebo). I can say with some degree of certainty that there is a genuine change based on their presence. I think to provide anything resembling “science” on the matter would be beyond the scope of an individuals anecdotal accounts, but this dramatic a change that so far appears as a dramatic correlation to the presence of said chemicals is significant on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/2 "2010-02-12T16:19:53Z")
Cheers, mate. This report is fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Oh.. curious: What is the other product you used, other than [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) & IO? Do you have 1, 2, or 4X strength of the two Instant products? Haha, how many sprays is a “piled it on” dose? What is the age range/ethnicity of your wife? How long have you been together, how long has she been in the mope funk? > [@antisoshal](#): > > So I’m on day three of trying to break my wifes cycle of bad moods and moping augmented with pheromones. Day one was by far a success I wasn’t expecting, and while I understand it doesnt qualify as un-questionable science, it convinced me there was at least SOMETHING going on. Day 2 went more or less the same as day one. After learning what the different compounds are purpoted to represent, I realized I didn’t have everything I needed to accomplish what I was working towards and placed a new order at two places to cover bases that either aren’t or cant be covered here. In the meantime I was planning on laying off last night as a control mechanism. The wife came home and was an instant mope, crabby with both me and the daughter and scowling at everything. She laid down on the couch and stared at her computer. after 20 minutes, I decided that was enough of a control (translate: okay, enough bullshit. lets see if I can affect this) and piled on some Shine, Openness and a product that advertises containing something I know cant work, but does contain none and non at some unknown concentration as well. Given that I dont know the exact efficacy of the questionable solution, I decided to err on the side of “HOLY SHIT!” and pounded it on. Its un-scented so I wasn’t concerned about the "why are you wearing too much cologne to make dinner) factor. > > In under 10 minutes she was chatty, smiling and laughing again. > > I was as serious skeptic prior to acquiring this stuff. I understand the mechanisms, and believe the biology and science could be valid, but I more or less assumed if it was going to be this simple someone would have done it already and been ruling the human race by now. In addition, the flowery and often wildly speculative “reports” about success to me have all the hallmarks of enthusiastic placebo, so I did my best to remain as objective as possible. As of now its clear to me SOMETHING in these bottles is having a genuine psychoactive affect on her, and while I cant say which or in which concentration, its a positive effect. My behavior has not changed consciously since I began using them. Objectively I understand it would be easy to say " sure it has. You just don’t think it has", but since my behavior was key to my issues prior to these tests, I was extremely aware and deliberate in almost every motion already. Since all my actions were deliberate and purposeful as a result of previous decisions, I have been staying the course and trying to utilize the pheromones as an adjunct to increase the success of other methods. Behavior alone was NOT having any genuine effect. Introducing one or more pheromones immediately resulted in positive effects. She spends all day moping about how she will spend all night moping, so my goal is to break the cycle and make home a happy place to be again. Once shes in that frame of mind for a bit, I will have to seek some more permanent changes, but getting her to even WANT to fix things and move forward is the first step. Im not relying on it as a sole cure, but its definitely a better tool than I was expecting, and by a magnitude of order. Eventually I will try to be more deliberate and methodical in my categorizing results. For now I am thankful it seems to be working on any level. > > As of now I cant tell you which molecule is accomplishing what elaborately described effect (and I would question how much of many of the “reports” is just wishful projecting and verbose placebo). I can say with some degree of certainty that there is a genuine change based on their presence. I think to provide anything resembling “science” on the matter would be beyond the scope of an individuals anecdotal accounts, but this dramatic a change that so far appears as a dramatic correlation to the presence of said chemicals is significant on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/3 "2010-02-12T16:42:56Z")
Bravo Dr., Very good report, I cant wait till im in an envornment that allows for proper testing of these chemicals. MY current one makes for a very trivial and time consuming experiment. ---
**Author:** ![antisoshal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@antisoshal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/antisoshal)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/4 "2010-02-12T16:49:58Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Cheers, mate. This report is fascinating. Thanks for sharing. > > Oh.. curious: > What is the other product you used, other than Instant Shine & IO? Do you have 1, 2, or 4X strength of the two Instant products? Haha, how many sprays is a “piled it on” dose? > > What is the age range/ethnicity of your wife? How long have you been together, how long has she been in the mope funk? The details on the wife’s demeanor are complex and in the realm of Therapy, but she is Caucasian and 45. She has some rather deep seated issues from her childhood that resulted in her being married to a complete whackjob for 15 years. As such, she has rather complex self esteem and risk/confidence and communication issues. The funk seems to be an amplification of the usual “approaching middle age, what am I doing with my life” syndrome. The heart of the matter is shes been stewing on things that make her unhappy for 5 or 6 years without ever expressing it to me (fear of risk) and now they have become so large in her head that she has skipped the reconciliation phase and gone straight to " You should go now because I’m never going to be happy". She needs therapy badly and her best friends are trying to get her to go. In the meantime I’m trying to make life at home as happy as possible and address as many of the issues she is willing to let me know about (she still refuses to communicate directly about any of them, but I’m guessing with some success by revisiting old conversations and ideas). The general idea is that if I can get her back to a fairly happy place she will feel there is something worth trying to fix. I want her to get therapy and feel better about herself and her life. She actually doesn’t say anything bad about me. Shes just convinced she will never be happy married. That seems completely based on her refusing to allow anyone to KNOW what makes her happy, and only some serious therapy is gonna open that door. In the meantime I’m trying to prevent her from pushing the big red button and nuking 10 years of both of our lives and putting my step daughter through a second divorce. Her real dad is still around and a complete douche, so shes already got that baggage as well as other issues, and its hard enough being 13 nowadays. If she can get her head straight and still seems to coherently and seriously want to separate, then I will do whatever she asks. Right now its pretty clear its mostly pent up anguish she has kept inside rather than expressing, and nothing she would like to see changed is of any serious consequence to me and thus rather trivial to correct if I know what it is. The best way I can think to explain this is imagine a woman sitting in her yard watching someone burn down her house because she cant decide to call the police about the arsonist or the fire department to put out the fire. In the end, the house burns and the arsonist escapes. She is more comfortable letting everything burn and feeling its not her fault than taking a risk to fix anything and feeling that it was the wrong choice. I purchased an Oxytocin product before reading that it chemically cant possibly do what it claims. It also claims to have both non and nol in it, but since it’s basically a fraud, I assume the quantities are miniscule, and have been practically bathing in it. I have IO, IS and IH as well as TUTH at the moment. Essentially I have been sticking my head in a bucket of the Oxytocin stuff then using a little of some of the first three in different combos and amounts to not always have the same mix on. At bed I threw a little TUTH on because that would seem like an appropriate environment for that implied reaction. I dont claim its a coherent plan, I just know the soup has made a difference. When I can un-clench a bit and we have walked away from the cliff a few feet, I might try to isolate if any of the specific claims or attributes of a specific product appear to be true. At the moment ANY and ALL of the purported effects are positive, and I don’t feel like potentially sacrificing anything I’ve accomplished so far is worth trying to be too analytical for anyone else’s sake. I’m gonna go with what works and keep trying different combinations to get the best possible results from her, and since that’s a result that’s relative only to my wishes, I’m not sure it would be a relevant piece of information for anyone else. My biggest concern is now that I’ve verified for myself that they are having a positive effect, I want to do whatever I can to ensure it works as long as possible. ---
**Author:** ![nobrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90ced4/32.png) [@nobrain](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nobrain)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/5 "2010-02-13T18:34:34Z")
This post confuses me a bit… I don’t know if you are confused of just telling stories… > [@antisoshal](#): > > Given that I dont know the exact efficacy of the questionable solution, I decided to err on the side of “HOLY SHIT!” and pounded it on. Its un-scented so I wasn’t concerned about the "why are you wearing too much cologne to make dinner) factor. You then go on to mention (imply) that what you are using is IO, IS, IH, and TUTH. These all DO have very noticeable odor. So, I have trouble believing any of your story is accurate when to me there appears this major inconsistency. Can you explain which UNSCENTED product you used – one that you can use in great amounts and not have your odor questioned…? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/6 "2010-02-13T20:54:30Z")
At least to my nose the scent of neroli is almost gone few minutes after applying. I can only smell it if my nose is very near the application point. So I guess what the OP wanted to state was not that these products are completely scentless, but pretty low-key - just like an deodorant. ---
**Author:** ![antisoshal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@antisoshal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/antisoshal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/7 "2010-02-13T21:54:51Z")
The product I was deliberately avoiding mentioning is Instant Trust from a different manufacturer. It is effectively odorless (only alcohol at initial application) and since the primary ingredient I now know is more or less snake oil in the application it purports (Oxytocin, which only acts as a neurotransmitter and activator inside the brain and cannot be externally introduced for THAT function), I am assuming it is lower in concentration in any potential “real” active ingredients, so I WILDLY over applied in comparison to products that are scented. If I had used the corresponding amounts of any Androgenics products I would have smelled like I took a bath in neroli and it probably would have just irritated her. ---
**Author:** ![nobrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90ced4/32.png) [@nobrain](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nobrain)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/8 "2010-02-13T22:49:46Z")
> [@antisoshal](#): > > The product I was deliberately avoiding mentioning is Instant Trust from a different manufacturer. It is effectively odorless (only alcohol at initial application) and since the primary ingredient I now know is more or less snake oil in the application it purports (Oxytocin, which only acts as a neurotransmitter and activator inside the brain and cannot be externally introduced for THAT function), I am assuming it is lower in concentration in any potential “real” active ingredients, so I WILDLY over applied in comparison to products that are scented. If I had used the corresponding amounts of any Androgenics products I would have smelled like I took a bath in neroli and it probably would have just irritated her. So the product you used to get these amazing results in your wife is the one you feel is snake-oil? ---
**Author:** ![antisoshal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@antisoshal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/antisoshal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/9 "2010-02-13T23:01:29Z")
> [@nobrain](#): > > So the product you used to get these amazing results in your wife is the one you feel is snake-oil? I didn’t think following basic description was rocket science. I would guess you are merely being a deliberate combination of hostile and stupid. I list SEVERAL products I tried simultaneously. In addition, I mention that the snake oil portion of Trust is adjuncted with -none and -nol but I would question the amount since the product itself seems to be based on poor biochemistry. I did not look into Oxytocin much before purchasing the bottle. I now know that Oxytocin only has a behavioral element when produced directly inside the brain. It cannot pass the blood-brain barrier and thus it cannot be taken externally to achieve that result. It has other pharmacological uses, none of which concern me at the moment. I was using in in large volumes as a source of -none and -nol because the other products I ordered that contain that havent arrived. In all cases, I have used it in conjuction with at LEAST 2 of the following: TUTH, IH, IS and IO. To the best of my understanding none of these contain any -none. Once I have a full compliment of products, both Androgenics and others, I probably wont touch the Trust again. Because its mixed with things that are plausibly psychoactive, I cant isolate the potential effects of Oxytocin. Unless I eventually find that other non Oxytocin containing products will NOT create the same results, I see no need to use it. I suspect that the makers of Trust may have started including -nol and -none to prevent anyone from completely discrediting their product. It remains plausible that there is another pathway by which Oxytocin could be affecting some positive result, and I’m open to that in the future. As of now, though, all the science involved literally excludes the possibility of the known pathway succeeding in the method they sell it. ---
**Author:** ![nobrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90ced4/32.png) [@nobrain](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nobrain)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/10 "2010-02-14T02:58:24Z")
> [@antisoshal](#): > > I didn’t think following basic description was rocket science. I would guess you are merely being a deliberate combination of hostile and stupid. I list SEVERAL products I tried simultaneously. In addition, I mention that the snake oil portion of Trust is adjuncted with -none and -nol but I would question the amount since the product itself seems to be based on poor biochemistry. I did not look into Oxytocin much before purchasing the bottle. I now know that Oxytocin only has a behavioral element when produced directly inside the brain. It cannot pass the blood-brain barrier and thus it cannot be taken externally to achieve that result. It has other pharmacological uses, none of which concern me at the moment. I was using in in large volumes as a source of -none and -nol because the other products I ordered that contain that havent arrived. In all cases, I have used it in conjuction with at LEAST 2 of the following: TUTH, IH, IS and IO. To the best of my understanding none of these contain any -none. > > Once I have a full compliment of products, both Androgenics and others, I probably wont touch the Trust again. Because its mixed with things that are plausibly psychoactive, I cant isolate the potential effects of Oxytocin. Unless I eventually find that other non Oxytocin containing products will NOT create the same results, I see no need to use it. I suspect that the makers of Trust may have started including -nol and -none to prevent anyone from completely discrediting their product. > > It remains plausible that there is another pathway by which Oxytocin could be affecting some positive result, and I’m open to that in the future. As of now, though, all the science involved literally excludes the possibility of the known pathway succeeding in the method they sell it. I see, I misunderstood. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-note-to-those-skeptical/36192/11 "2010-02-14T04:39:19Z")
> [@antisoshal](#): > > I didn’t think following basic description was rocket science. I would guess you are merely being a deliberate combination of hostile and stupid. I list SEVERAL products I tried simultaneously. In addition, I mention that the snake oil portion of Trust is adjuncted with -none and -nol but I would question the amount since the product itself seems to be based on poor biochemistry. I did not look into Oxytocin much before purchasing the bottle. I now know that Oxytocin only has a behavioral element when produced directly inside the brain. It cannot pass the blood-brain barrier and thus it cannot be taken externally to achieve that result. It has other pharmacological uses, none of which concern me at the moment. I was using in in large volumes as a source of -none and -nol because the other products I ordered that contain that havent arrived. In all cases, I have used it in conjuction with at LEAST 2 of the following: TUTH, IH, IS and IO. To the best of my understanding none of these contain any -none. > > Once I have a full compliment of products, both Androgenics and others, I probably wont touch the Trust again. Because its mixed with things that are plausibly psychoactive, I cant isolate the potential effects of Oxytocin. Unless I eventually find that other non Oxytocin containing products will NOT create the same results, I see no need to use it. I suspect that the makers of Trust may have started including -nol and -none to prevent anyone from completely discrediting their product. > > It remains plausible that there is another pathway by which Oxytocin could be affecting some positive result, and I’m open to that in the future. As of now, though, all the science involved literally excludes the possibility of the known pathway succeeding in the method they sell it. TUTH contains -none.