# A Sexy Alex, stage 1: AMMO, TUTH, TAC, Hedione **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [December 6, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308 "2015-12-06T18:51:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/81 "2016-01-18T01:08:01Z")
Great approach technique suggestion Smellymen. Noted in my book for sure. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/82 "2016-01-18T03:11:15Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > So I know it is easier said then done for sure. But to walk up and ask her out or for her number will take all of 20-30 seconds of courage and you are in. I mean with that mix I all you have to do is act. It wasn’t about courage, it was about me still feeling a bit salty for how she acted last week. Out of anger I _forced_ myself to NOT say “your number” when she asked if I needed anything else. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/83 "2016-01-18T03:49:06Z")
Oh ok. Well I am sure you can get her number anytime and if not with the setup you used you shouldn’t have much problem getting any girls number. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/84 "2016-01-18T06:33:40Z")
> [@stazz](#): > > 2016-01-16/Saturday: TUTH - one spray on each TMJ at 1:45pm (5mcg total), TAC - eight sprays on sides of neck at 1:45pm (20mcg total), Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 1:45pm > > Note: This is the first time I’m using a full 20mcg TAC; since I’ve basically been “rationing” it next time I’ll be sure to get a 5 or even 10 mcg/spray bottle. > > - went to Trader Joe’s to buy some protein bars, a blonde girl, white+early 20s looking+slightly geeky+6 or 7/10, in front of me on the line to the counter might have had a response: after a couple of minutes on the line she began caressing her face, neck, and upper chest for almost the rest of the time on the line and kept apologizing to me for leaving the line for about 10-15 seconds a piece to get last-minute veggies next to the line > - went to Starbucks after to get a Starbucks Reward frappuccino, the dark Latina barista from before was on shift; from the time she saw me on the line she stared at me a bit weirdly, was this DIHL? We didn’t chat at all and after I got my frap I left. > > 2016-01-17/Sunday update relevant to this one: > > I went to the Starbucks to get some coffee (without applying new mones, but wearing the same shirt, jacket, and scarf as before) and the dark Latina was on shift today. She chatted with me a bit when I brought up a milk carafe to get it refilled and once again brought up my habits, which she called “picky” and came off as more friendly and approachable. She asked me “do you need anything else” and I very much felt like saying “your number” but didn’t. A few minutes later she was standing at the register (no line waiting) while I was sitting nearby and out of the corner of my eye I caught her staring at me and licking her lips while I was eating a protein bar. > > So, yea, I’m 75% certain she’s into me, but I don’t know how to proceed and I’m worried impatience and my apparently lack of social tact will win out. I’d say those were hits and yes Dihl. But Dihl is really quite easy to spot. You just notice women staring at you more.. And very often will look literally like a deer in the headlights, no blinking, no smiling, which I think is a good thing. If I were you though, I’d take this mix to a bigger crowd, like to a few stores or maybe even the mall. Go where you know there will be at least a dozen women or more, the more the better. And pay attention to ages and races of the women that give you IOIs namely most will probably be Dihl. I don’t know what the general consensus is around here but for me, what I find is Dihl is a very good indicator of a female being interested. I cannot think of a single time where I spoke with a female who Dihl’d and it didn’t go well. But the main question, what I really want to know from you is, did you feel like this mix gave you better results than the others? Give it a second shot, and try at a place you aren’t familiar with or usually go to.. You need to see stranger’s reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/85 "2016-01-18T07:36:36Z")
> [@Smellymen2002](#): > > I had the same problem, my friend told me when your approaching a girl you like, imagine you are making her cum. This will make you smile and look approachable, and it will help eliminate your impatience/ anxiety. > > If she asks if you need anything else, ask for her number. Make sure to check yourself first in the mirror to see if you are smiling the right way or otherwise. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/86 "2016-01-18T12:58:28Z")
I find hits everywhere with this setup. Every woman can be different to so paying attention to there facial expressions and body language is important. In public I tent to wear Ammo a lot over the TUTH because it goes really well with guys to and I want to come off as a great all around guy. The Hedione adds an attraction factor with women all on it’s own to. I find women way out of my league checking me out a lot with it on. I wear Hedione with everything just about now. ---
**Author:** ![Smellymen2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Smellymen2002](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellymen2002)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/87 "2016-01-18T15:09:48Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > I find hits everywhere with this setup. Every woman can be different to so paying attention to there facial expressions and body language is important. > > In public I tent to wear Ammo a lot over the TUTH because it goes really well with guys to and I want to come off as a great all around guy. The Hedione adds an attraction factor with women all on it’s own to. I find women way out of my league checking me out a lot with it on. I wear Hedione with everything just about now. Will have to try out, and Dee usually when I making her cum I do have my mouth full so smiling is kind of difficult 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/88 "2016-01-18T19:02:36Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > I find hits everywhere with this setup. Every woman can be different to so paying attention to there facial expressions and body language is important. > > In public I tent to wear Ammo a lot over the TUTH because it goes really well with guys to and I want to come off as a great all around guy. The Hedione adds an attraction factor with women all on it’s own to. I find women way out of my league checking me out a lot with it on. I wear Hedione with everything just about now. Totally agree about getting hits from women way out of my league. It’s nuts! ---
**Author:** ![Smellymen2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@Smellymen2002](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellymen2002)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/89 "2016-01-18T22:15:35Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Totally agree about getting hits from women way out of my league. It’s nuts! Did you find that dabs or spraying worked best? ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/90 "2016-01-19T20:41:12Z")
2016-01-18/Monday: AMMO (1 spray on adam’s apple) @ 1:45pm, TUTH - one spray on each TMJ at 7:35pm (5mcg total), TAC - eight sprays on sides of neck at 7:35pm (20mcg total), Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 7:35pm+accidentally spilled a bit and wiped with paper towel onto neck AMMO in the early day: - sprayed AMMO once mainly to have the Irish Spring smell for a business meeting at 3:00pm; the prospective client was Italian male late 40s or early 50s+fit dancer+studios owner - NYC temps were below freezing, room was well-ventilated; that being said, whenever he stood near me he remarked about feeling hot and asked if we would like the AC turned on - during the meeting often stared at me rather than my boss, possibly seeking my approval TUTH+TAC+Hedione at night: - had a date with a girl I met on Tinder, Latina 30 y.o. light complexion+slightly pudgy+face 8/10 (very Rosario Dawson-looking) - NYC had below freezing temps+wind so I was wearing a scarf and gloves en route to the Applebee’s we settled on; don’t know how much scent blew away - she was super receptive to my humor, very smiley, and had “happy eyes” every time she looked at me, also very open and honest while talking and talked a lot about herself (I attempted to steer the convo towards her as much as possible without being evasive) - she seemed to hold back re anything sexual, though, like she was testing me or something, and no goodnight kiss when she got in a cab - self-effects (AMMO): I felt relaxed during the meeting and often looked the client directly in the eyes without backing down - self-effects (TUTH+TAC+Hedione): I felt relaxed and comfortable with the girl during the date, more humorously talkative than usual, didn’t feel like forcing any touch (kino?) for some reason Other than laughing a lot at my “humor” it didn’t feel like she was as affected by the TUTH+TAC+Hedione combo as she could have been; maybe she wasn’t exposed to enough of it? ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/91 "2016-01-21T05:29:30Z")
2016-01-20/Wednesday: AMMO (1 spray on adam’s apple) @ 5:30pm - sprayed AMMO once mainly to have the Irish Spring smell for a group meeting, kind of like a mix of a regularly scheduled hangout and a bit of a specialized support group for certain undergraduate students - didn’t pay much attention to possibly discernible responses on the train ride there, so even if there was I don’t think I caught them - self-effects: felt more talkative during the hangout, less inhibited with my desire to eat more Is AMMO a disinhibitor? That would certainly explain how it’s meant to achieve its stated goals. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/92 "2016-01-22T06:08:54Z")
2016-01-21/Thursday: TUTH - one spray on each TMJ at 11:30am (5mcg total), TAC - eight sprays on sides of neck at 11:30am (20mcg total), Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 11:30am - went to Starbucks to get coffee and see what happens - no hot chicks as customers during my time there - only one female barista behind the counter, the blonde from post #67, there during the entire time, and the female manager from post #74 made an appearance about 5 minutes before I left - the blonde barista seemed to be standoffish to me, distant, and stunned when I came up to the counter and ordered; I made my usual joke of “tall blonde in my cup, and I’ll take a coffee” (at Starbucks “tall” means “small,” 12 fl.oz.) and she either didn’t pay attention or didn’t hear it because she looked totally spaced, possibly DIHL if mones were applied correctly - self-effects: didn’t notice anything significant, though it didn’t help that there was a significantly low amount of hot chicks during my time at that Starbucks So…yea. Also, as I mention in my “low-cost fallout” thread I received IShine, MX351, P96, and free P131. I look forward to giving these some opportunities as needed. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/93 "2016-01-22T14:54:16Z")
DIHL is very different from a ‘not paying attention because I’m busy’ signal or a ‘not paying attention because I don’t like men trying to flirt with me while I work’ or ‘not paying attention because you’re not my type anyway’ or similar signals. Actually, DIHL ressemble a trance or a passive-submissive state. I can tell the difference, because when a girl DIHL’s me, electricity flows through my body with a total sense of empowerment, whereas getting a ‘not paying attention’ signal will be a major let’s-get-out-of-here incentive. How can you hesistate between those two states? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/94 "2016-01-23T00:45:59Z")
> [@Smellymen2002](#): > > Did you find that dabs or spraying worked best? I’d say dabbing is better but I prefer to spray. Maybe I should dab and spray haha. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/95 "2016-01-23T00:53:34Z")
I agree with Conjurator. I’ve seen many Dihls where she will literally just stare off lost, not necessarily looking at me. But as he said it doesn’t seem hard to tell if it’s a Dihl or a not interested look. Also, I don’t think you have to worry about cold winds as much as you would the mones getting smeared off on clothes such as scarfs. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/96 "2016-01-23T04:11:01Z")
I agree that sometimes they DIHL toward a blank wall or something instead of me, but still, I’m the cause of it. The first few times, that confused me solid, but I get it now, so I get a kick out of it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/97 "2016-01-26T04:42:24Z")
2016-01-22/Friday: IShine - one spray on throat at 11:30am + two sprays on adam’s apple at 2:00pm + one spray on throat at 3:30pm, TUTH - one spray on each TMJ at 2:00pm (5mcg total), TAC - eight sprays on sides of neck at 2:00pm (20mcg total), P96 - one spray on adam’s apple at 2:00pm, Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 2:00pm IShine in morning: - went to gym to workout, wanted to see if IShine would have any effect IShine + TUTH + TAC + P96 + Hedione in afternoon: - went to Starbucks after gym and before a mid-afternoon appointment to see what happens - possible intimidation responses from attractive female customers, but they weren’t persistent enough for me to confirm - had an appointment mid-afternoon with a female career advisor from my non-profit educational advancement organization, wanted to see what kind of effect the mix would have - I made attempts to lock her eyes to mine when I spoke and she seemed to indeed be entranced - self-effect: I became overcome with emotion when I was informed of my ineligibility for certain programs and broke down in tears; I’m pretty sure this negated any attempts to “be cool” up to that point - after the meeting she complimented me on my choice of clothing I’m definitely going to have to be careful about what I spray on the neck, as this is the second time I’ve become overwhelmingly emotional while wearing mones. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/98 "2016-01-26T12:55:16Z")
Maybe P96 is backfiring on you. Or the subliminals interactions entre if you’ll still having those. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/99 "2016-01-28T01:54:25Z")
2016-01-24/Sunday: IShine - two sprays on forearms at 5:30pm, P96 - one spray on forearm and spread at 5:30pm (25mcg total), Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 5:30pm - didn’t really leave the apartment except to get dinner, Chinese takeout, so I wanted to see what kind of response I would get from the women behind the counter - both adult women were behind the counter, the taller of the two starting looking away from me as if she was embarrassed or ashamed - self-effects: no discernible self-effects @Conjurator - I haven’t played the aphrodisiac subliminal in a while, but still listen myself to the self-confidence one. I might agree with you on the P96 backfiring at 25mcg, but haven’t tried 2 sprays (50mcg) yet. ---
**Author:** ![stazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@stazz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stazz)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308/100 "2016-01-28T02:01:24Z")
2016-01-25/Monday: IShine - two sprays on forearms at 2:15pm, TUTH - one spray on each TMJ at 2:15pm (5mcg total), TAC - eight sprays on sides of neck at 2:15pm (20mcg total), P96 - one spray on adam’s apple at 2:15pm (25mcg total), Hedione - one dab on wrist and spread at 2:15pm - went to Starbucks to meet a girl from Tinder, but she stood me up - while waiting, may have had staring and smile responses from two female customers - at the gym right after, I asked the female manager, early 20s 5’1"-5’3" Latina 8/10, which smells better, TUTH or TAC (I opened the bottles for her to smell and hid the labels) and she said the TAC and that it “smells sweeter” even though both were 6% [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/)-scented - self-effect: I was disappointed that the Tinder girl stood me up, but wasn’t surprised; at least I felt open enough to ask the cute gym manager her opinion on TUTH vs. TAC scents [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-sexy-alex-stage-1-ammo-tuth-tac-hedione/65308.md?page=6)