# A visitor cometh.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661 "2009-09-21T19:07:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/21 "2009-09-22T16:41:11Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > ahahaha… > I’m sure he will be practically preening himself when he hears that. > > What does your wife respond to best? She responds? LOL ok ok, um…if you are speaking sexually, then it’s really hard to tell. Some nights I can’t get her going at all, even hitting all the “buttons”, and other nights (rarely) she’s all over me. If you are talking about socially, not much at all. She’s quite shy, rather introverted except for around me and a few other people. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/22 "2009-09-22T17:30:17Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Holy crap that’s a high dose! Anyone else back this up? I don’t want to ghost / rage. 1. The fire has already started. With that being said … a test with the above combo, won’t hurt anything, maybe delay. Still … with a tad bit of alcohol … that could put things in motion. 2. Try it and see. 3. Whatever you use … keep the IH on the high end. They may have already danced without you. 4. I reserve all rights to be wrong. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/23 "2009-09-22T17:36:41Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > 1. The fire has already started. With that being said … a test with the above combo, won’t hurt anything, maybe delay. Still … with a tad bit of alcohol … that could put things in motion. > > 2. Try it and see. > > 3. Whatever you use … keep the IH on the high end. They may have already danced without you. > > 4. I reserve all rights to be wrong. 🙄 1. agreed. What’s the worst that can happen? 2. OK 3. I’ll have it on me all night. I highly, HIGHLY doubt they’ve danced already. Nothing past a kiss and a flash…and the kiss (with tongue) was a dare back in middle school like 15 years ago. That’s what got Emma interested in the first place from what I’ve been told… 4. Bullshit! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/24 "2009-09-22T18:59:40Z")
Caelas - 3 sprays TUTH **IS** alot, but properly balanced you can pull it off. Especially with women who are already comfortable around you. I distinctly remember my LTR pulling me into a friends bathroom at his house party (TWICE) when I had a super high dose of TUTH + P101 on (6X TUTH + 4XP101) and P101 isn’t even widely considered to be a known 'none buffer… although I would argue quite readily that it functions very well as a none buffer. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/25 "2009-09-22T19:06:13Z")
Okay, here’s how the night is planned. Emma is supposed to show around 9PM. Kids will be asleep by then. Around 8:30 or so I’m going to take a walk as I occasionally do in the evenings. During that walk I’ll put on IH X 3 or 4. Apply points will be forearms and neck. TUTH To-Go in the pocket. By the time I get back the majority of the scent will have subsided. Emma should also be there or damn near there. We are planning to teach Emma how to play 5-card stud with bets. IF (heh, if…) all goes well, hopefully one of the girls will run low on chips. At that point, if the Gods smile upon me, Venus, Uranus and Saturn align, and dogs sleep with cats they will offer a shirt for more chips. Let us pray. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/26 "2009-09-23T11:55:29Z")
Ok, here’s what went down. Applied the sprays as I stated, plus one shot of TUTH to the back of the neck. Emma arrived, the girls sat on the couch and I sat in the chair. My wife had busted open some booze before Emma arrived, so she was pretty relaxed…a spray of Spaceland on her probably helped that as well. The first hour was pretty usual…TV surfing, talking, etc. There was more than the usual sexual innuendo in the talking though. After that first hour we all went out front (Emma smokes, her only drawback so far) and talked more there. We started talking about “the fence”, as in Emma being bi sits on the fence, I play on one side, and my wife by her own words has something to the effect of a two meter fence she can’t get up on. I’m pretty sure everyone was feeling the IH…there was a LOT of talking, way more than usual. At one point we were discussing our ages (Emma is older than I though, go figure hehe) so I made the comment “With age comes experience.” My wife totally missed that one, but not Emma…she looked at me and smiled. Not the typical “oh that was nice” smile…the sultry “damn right!” smile. Woah. After that, we went back inside and played some Egypcian Rat Screw (card game if you don’t know it). The whole time Emma was trying to get my wife up on the fence…looks, words, everything but the physical. Wife would not budge. At one point Wifey went upstairs and Emma and I talked for a couple minutes about her…I’m personally getting annoyed / distressed that Wifey is all talk no action, Emma thinks Wifey is really unsure and seems to be thinking up a way to help. So that’s it. Lots of talking with strong sexual undertones at points. I didn’t apply any more TUTH…I was waiting for a signal from Wifey (not prearranged) but never saw one. Maybe next time. Edit: forgot to mention, I did notice last night when the girls hugged (a couple times) that they A-Frame hugged. Torsos and legs stayed away from each other. Very friendly hugs…_sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/27 "2009-09-23T13:11:29Z")
For future meetings… Your wife is your primary force here in making things happen. You may have to play this out in advance, and go through it with her to make it work. The friend would not move forward without the permission of the wife, of course. You could assist it moving forward by being dominant and MAKING it happen, risks are involved. Another route would be to open it as a discussion between all three of you. A slipped sentence “women are kissing on tv all the time…” or even directly “you girls look cute together…cuter kissing…” could spark the sexual tension and start the flames o’ love a flyin. Relying on it to magically appear, like santa claus, even though you have [pheromones](https://a314.com/) on, is not going to work 99% of the time. Women are good at concealing their physiologically behavior, more so than men. (Read that in djandarials journal…) Now would be the time to ask your wife if she saw how much the friend wanted to jump her bones/was flirting/was giving you this look etc ---
**Author:** ![Sugar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sugar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sugar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/28 "2009-09-23T13:49:16Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Now would be the time to ask your wife if she saw how much the friend wanted to jump her bones/was flirting/was giving you this look etc I agree with this statement. Take her temperature about the night and get her take on things. I highly doubt they “danced” without you. If they have they probably would have been all over each other with you around already. The shyness barrier would have been broken. Could it be time to just put on the [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty and simply come out and say it to your wife? Could she be frightened of how she might feel if the man involved is her partner? Is she afraid of feelings of jealousy? When you are part of the couple and not the third the dynamic changes. The third person is not emotionally invested in the relationship like you both are. My advice to you is to take her out for a nice dinner at a place known for great drinks. (ie. martini bar). Wear Instant Openness and Instant Honesty. Don’t worry so much about TUTH or A314 or anything else on this particular outing. A little won’t hurt, but her jumping your bones on this evening is not the goal. Your true goal should be to open her up to you and get the conversation started and rolling. She should feel free to share anything with you. (Even though you may not want to know EVERYTHING!😉). The best friend vibe needs to be there. After this whole experiment whether or not this threesome happens you might find that you two have a closer relationship. Or you can go with my other suggestion and just get Emma to jump her. But Emma has to make the first move. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/29 "2009-09-23T13:59:05Z")
Yes, the plan tonight is to talk and get her feel for the evening. I would have last night, but we were dead tired and she was fighting a headache from the alcohol wearing off. There were plenty of comments last night that could have started things, but didn’t. Talk of pornos, sizes of things…the flirts and goofing off were all there. What little Emma and I were able to talk last night I got the impression Emma didn’t want to push Wifey…but her mind may change since I filled her in on Wifey not being the take-charge type. As I told Emma last night, there needs to be a catalyst. There was talk last night of all three of us going to a strip club at some point. Maybe that will help, maybe not. Previous conversations have revealed that Wifey is pretty reluctant to share me, there are some jealously issues there. Honestly, there’s two objectives I have…the most important being getting Wifey to embrace who she is. The second is the threesome. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sugar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sugar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/30 "2009-09-23T14:18:37Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Honestly, there’s two objectives I have…the most important being getting Wifey to embrace who she is. The second is the threesome. One of your objectives should also be to make sure your wife feels secure in all of this. You don’t want her worrying that you might dump her for “Emma”. Which I’m sure would never happen but we all sometimes let our minds wander to those places. I hope that you keep us posted on your progress! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/31 "2009-09-23T14:27:17Z")
> [@Sugar](#): > > One of your objectives should also be to make sure your wife feels secure in all of this. You don’t want her worrying that you might dump her for “Emma”. Which I’m sure would never happen but we all sometimes let our minds wander to those places. We have discussed this also quite a bit. I have told her many times that I’m going no where…hell I’m not even going to mess around with Emma without her there or her very specific permission, signed, notarized, witnessed by a judge, and with a month worth of police protection for me afterward. 😃 In all seriousness, we’ve covered this. I will of course keep y’all updated! ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/33 "2009-09-23T15:44:40Z")
Aww shit… I totally forgot some basics giving you phero advice You can’t do this all from home - If she shows up at your house to “hang-out” than your house is where you guys are “hanging out” not where anything else is occuring. Meet up as a group somewhere else than your house and once the sexual tension has built you need to move the group back to your house. I would then suggest leaving Emma and your wife alone for a short while (go to the bathroom) once you get home. Hopefully Emma makes a move and without you in the room your wife will allow it to happen. Check [this blog post](http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-3some-figuring-out-tandem-sarging) out - This guy seems to know what he is talking about ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/34 "2009-09-23T16:38:22Z")
That’s a freaking awesome blog post…it actually makes sense. Yeah, we need to get out, hard to do that without a babysitter though. Soon. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661/35 "2009-09-23T18:13:49Z")
Alright, Wifey and I talked a bit during lunch. She isn’t blind, that’s for sure…we both saw all the same things from Emma. Wifey blames her mother for the mental block she has…her Mom is a huge homophobe, and all that negativity has drilled itself into Wifey’s head. She wants me to just let it go at it’s own pace and not push / influence things. This is going to be like watching a snail race. At least I have Spaceland to chill with. Might need more. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-visitor-cometh/32661.md?page=1)