# A1 and P79. For how long can the effects last after application? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 23, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008 "2008-05-23T09:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/1 "2008-05-23T09:45:17Z")
This is taken directly out of my journal. I’m looking to answers for the questions at the bottom of my post… 4 sprays of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) 3 sprays of IS 2 sprays of Instant Honesty 2 sprays of p79(unscented) all the above worn around the back and sides of my neck. To cut a long story short… Later that evening we head out to a pub in the city where a friend of ours was having a farewell as she was leaving to go back home to Italy later this week. I turn up with my girlfriend and we start dancing to the band. italian friend is very touchy-feely with me as well, but then again she’s normally always like this. I never re-applied any pheromones since this morining application.. My girlfriend is really into me dancing with me body to body on the dance floor. She is a lot smilier and happier than the last week. Then she goes to the bathroom, comes back and we cut out the dancing, instead we just stand and watch the band, holding hands she is standing to mt left. On my right are strangers, a guys who is there on his own and then next to him are 2 very stunning young blonde girls. I catch the blonde girl look over at me and check me out. Our eyes meet and she shly turns away. This happens a second time. At this point I’m saying to myself “damn, why do these things only happen when my girlfriend is with me?” She then opens a conversation with the guy standing in between us. She looks like she’s up for acrtion tonight. Not sure whether that guy stole my pheromone cloud, but it certainly felt like it at that time. Out of the corner of eye I see them chatting for around 5 minutes before 2 guys she knows turn up and drag her and her friend away. I go home confused as to how, if I applied the pheromones 9 hours or so earlier in the day, did I still get the effects later that evening. So the questions I then wished to pose were: A) Was it just a residual effect? B) If it’s not a residual effect, which of the Androstadienone or P79 was the stickier substance that hung around all day on my skin giving me a long-lasting effect? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/2 "2008-05-23T18:50:30Z")
Hmmmm - 9 hours - that is a tough one. I think we as a community are still sorting out P79 to some extent although many seem to describe it as an intensifier. I have used it a little but do not really have a good feel for it yet myself. It really sounds like you got residuals off of the IFM and/or [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) - maybe if enough got in your hair which would make it stick around longer - or perhaps on your clothes. The P79 could have intensified the effect - but it is the time span that throws me. Not sure if P79 would lengthen the effects besides “intensifying” them. Maybe she was just into you. You could have also had the “social proof” thing going via your girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/3 "2008-05-23T20:20:25Z")
My immediate reaction is to say that you had “social proofing” from your gf, but I actually wanted to comment on p79. I don’t really see p79 as an intensifier. I think that’s more like TAFs role (like OCD intenseness…) p79 is more like ‘drive’. It probably one of the closer molecules to ‘liquid motivation’, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/4 "2008-05-23T20:29:06Z")
Interesting take Phya. Thanks for the input. Like I said - I have never really taken the time to figure it out. I know Renny is playing with it right now. My only information is some of the early reporting rom back when. Maybe I should give it a try on chore day or just before some martial arts. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/5 "2008-05-23T20:51:12Z")
A couple posts regarding p79’s drive from my journal. > [@If it helps you too, great...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/85): > > Didn’t go with IG + p93. I wanted to get a good strong feel for the p93 so I put on 50mcg of it. I was an impatient guy that day. I had to be a back seat driver, but I felt like I was just trippin too hard about the traffic and I just wanted to get around it. I REALLY hate traffic though (who doesn’t though?), I’ll go the long way, so long as there’s no traffic. So I was like, take the left, yea, just take it, go for it. Light turns red, so I’m like, nevermind, just make the right, it’s cool, i… > [@Phya](#): > > Didn’t go with Instant Gentleman + p93. I wanted to get a good strong feel for the p93 so I put on 50mcg of it. > > I was an impatient guy that day. I had to be a back seat driver, but I felt like I was just trippin too hard about the traffic and I just wanted to get around it. I REALLY hate traffic though (who doesn’t though?), I’ll go the long way, so long as there’s no traffic. So I was like, take the left, yea, just take it, go for it. Light turns red, so I’m like, nevermind, just make the right, it’s cool, it’s open, go ahead, etc…eventually I just declared that I’m going to shut myself up. I hated how I was sounding and probably would have punched myself in the face. 😛 > > But I got a lot done. 😃 > > As soon as I get into the office, hit the phones right away. Calling places back frequently and just buzz, buzz, buzz. > > As for hits, nothing exceptional I think. p93 with p79 is a goodie for getting work done too. p93 is that mental drive to get it planned out and the p79 is the physical drive to get it done. I’m not sure I could handle that combo with any TAF if the TAF will do to the p93 what it does to the p79. Eh..looks like I’m just gonna have to try it. [If it helps you too, great... - #86 by Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/86) ([If it helps you too, great... - #85 by Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/if-it-helps-you-too-great/9451/85)) > [@Phya](#): > > Small update on the p93 + p79 combo. I wore 25mcgs of p93 and 15mcgs of p79. > > I was driving a van filled with marketing materials and such to a concert where my company had put up a booth for one of our clients. I stopped at the parking check but ignored the security guard (I sort of saw him after accelerating I figured what the hell). Parked it, called my boss. The guard walked up to my window and asked me what I was doing, etc..I told him why I was there and he gave me a pass and asked me to repark the van a bit over. > > Shortly after reparking the van, I saw my boss and he told me to just drive the van straight up to the booth. I was about to, but a taxi pulled up and blocked the driveway. I was worried he was waiting for someone, so as soon as he got out I shouted to him, “yo, you can’t park there, I gotta get through.” He took his time letting his passengers out. During that time a truck backed up from another direction into the pathway first and started unpacking boxes. I watched and waited as the guy unloaded. Got into my truck ready to back up as soon as he left. He didn’t so I walked up and told him, “I apologize if I’m being impatient, but I’m on a schedule like you, so could you move your truck?” He of course, immediately does so. I back up the van and unload it in half the time it took to load it. Granted, I actually had a little bit of help this time around… > > After that, I just took off to go get a tattoo. 😃 > > So it was definitely go-go-go! Zeph, if you’re reading this, yes it sounds like a marine. Tight schedule, everything needs to be perfect before thousands of spectators show up for the concert and everyone is in each other’s way. I think the environment was conducive to the overall vibe I felt as well, so it should be taken into consideration. However, given the antsy-ness I felt with 50mcg of p93 or TAF + p79, I think it was better that I was in a fast-paced environment, otherwise I might have driven myself batty in a slow, quiet office. ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/6 "2008-05-23T21:51:30Z")
Thanks for the responses guys yeah, the social proofing thing is something I completely overlooked, and may explain some of this too, but it’s possible that the stickyness of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or the residual effect may have also enhanced the effect and played the part. Phya, your comments on P79 combined with P93 are very interesting to me. I have worn P79 together with MX203 on a couple of occassions, and I know MX203 is mainly made up of P93. I noticed that when I wore this combination I didn’t really feel the same way as you described. instead, the feeling I got was almost as if my brained was totally “numbed”. I couldn’t think straight and I became so reserved that I was refraining from chatting with anyone, even a really good mate of mine who was out with me at the time. And when out together we can normally talk and talk and talk, but when I wore p79 with MX203 I felt like I didn’t want to talk to anyone. I was almost what I’d call the total “anti-social” type. I remember wearing it around a cute swedish waitress, and normally I’m all flirty with cute waitresses, but when I wore that combo I as totally lost for words and couldn’t really open my mouth. I felt heaviness, or “numbed” in my head and was also, from memory just slighty irritable. I do remember that combination feeling very weird, until I sprayed some IS and IO over the top and started to act my like my normal self again. ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/7 "2008-05-23T22:02:23Z")
Maybe you should give yourself more credit. It’s hard not to attribute hits to pheros, but you can’t always give pheros credit either. You’re just that special guy that attracts others. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/8 "2008-05-24T21:05:07Z")
> [@snakeeyesontheparadise](#): > > Phya, your comments on P79 combined with P93 are very interesting to me. I have worn P79 together with MX203 on a couple of occassions, and I know MX203 is mainly made up of P93. I noticed that when I wore this combination I didn’t really feel the same way as you described. instead, the feeling I got was almost as if my brained was totally “numbed”. I couldn’t think straight and I became so reserved that I was refraining from chatting with anyone, even a really good mate of mine who was out with me at the time. And when out together we can normally talk and talk and talk, but when I wore p79 with MX203 I felt like I didn’t want to talk to anyone. I was almost what I’d call the total “anti-social” type. According to Tisha, [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/) is heavy Alpha Androstenol , [TAK](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and [P93.](https://a314.com/product/p93/) `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/just-got-my-order-mx203-tac-12232.html#post108570` And also, because I keep throwing this link around everywhere mx203’s contents is pondered, I’d like to know if anyone else, or if Tisha wouldn’t mind double checking 🙂, can confirm mx203 being heavy a-nol, TAK and p93? The ‘anti-social’ behavior could be attributed to the TAK. This thread in particular discusses TAK’s disassociative properties. p79 for me, as I said is like a ‘drive’. In conjunction with TAK, could there be a ‘drive’ to chill out/disconnect/drift off into own dreamland? > [@Initial TAK observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95): > > TAK seems to have a musky aroma that resembles porcini mushrooms, earthy, workin’ guy… what the Frogs call terrior (a quote:“Terroir is a useful, but hard-to-define term, coined by the French. It refers to the site-specific differences in wines that are caused by factors such as soil types, drainage, local microclimate and sun exposure”)… sociable material, appears to help remove layers of the false self/social artifice… one is more natural, more comfortable in one’s skin… Sprayed on 20 mu last… Examine described TAK as if a blunt had been passed around. Being stoned could be referred to as being ‘mentally numb’, I suppose. > [@snakeeyesontheparadise](#): > > I remember wearing it around a cute swedish waitress, and normally I’m all flirty with cute waitresses, but when I wore that combo I as totally lost for words and couldn’t really open my mouth. I felt heaviness, or “numbed” in my head and was also, from memory just slighty irritable. I do remember that combination feeling very weird, until I sprayed some IS and Instant Openness over the top and started to act my like my normal self again. Incidentally, your experience reminds me of a night where I experienced similar behavior. I was wearing mx203, p79, and some IS, there may have been a touch of something else, but I doubt it. Anyway, I sort of felt discombobulated for a bit. Had a cute girl sitting in my lap, but then I sort of just got up and left once the blunt was done. And trust me, a blunt won’t make me forget about a cute girl sitting in my lap, no matter how bomb the bud is. Actually, usually, if anything, it’ll make me more aware of the girl. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/9 "2008-05-25T03:21:26Z")
TAK hey?? It’s only now that you mention it I’ve researched it, as I had not read much about it on these forums up until now. It’s also nice to know what I’m getting when I’m putting MX203 on. I read someone else saying MX203 is mostly P93 with a little [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), however after reading the post by Tisha this seems just a little off the mark. After reading that thread on TAK and re-examining my experiences on MX203 + P79 you may have a point about the TAK affecting me in the MX203 more than it normally would without any P79 in the mix. Wouldn’t mind trying out examine’s TAK, TAH, TAL, TAA combination if I can get my hands on all of them. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/10 "2008-05-25T05:04:28Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > According to Tisha, MX203 is heavy Alpha Androstenol , [TAK](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and [P93.](https://a314.com/product/p93/) > `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/just-got-my-order-mx203-tac-12232.html#post108570` > > And also, because I keep throwing this link around everywhere mx203’s contents is pondered, I’d like to know if anyone else, or if Tisha wouldn’t mind double checking 🙂, can confirm mx203 being heavy a-nol, TAK and p93? > > The ‘anti-social’ behavior could be attributed to the TAK. This thread in particular discusses TAK’s disassociative properties. p79 for me, as I said is like a ‘drive’. In conjunction with TAK, could there be a ‘drive’ to chill out/disconnect/drift off into own dreamland? > > [Initial TAK observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-tak-observation/95) > > Examine described TAK as if a blunt had been passed around. Being stoned could be referred to as being ‘mentally numb’, I suppose. > > Incidentally, your experience reminds me of a night where I experienced similar behavior. I was wearing mx203, p79, and some IS, there may have been a touch of something else, but I doubt it. Anyway, I sort of felt discombobulated for a bit. Had a cute girl sitting in my lap, but then I sort of just got up and left once the blunt was done. And trust me, a blunt won’t make me forget about a cute girl sitting in my lap, no matter how bomb the bud is. Actually, usually, if anything, it’ll make me more aware of the girl. 🙂 funny seeing that thread posted again that felt like so long ago, wow have i learn’t so much in such a short time =) I will not forget that day though, what a learning experience. I actually tried to order a bottle of p93 in my last huge order, and was expecting it but never received it, got a note was out of stock, and found out might be out for a while unfortunately according to April. I was hoping to be able to tweak my [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) a bit. did some playing around tonight with TAK + p123 and just updated my journal with a report `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/pheromones-123024-post3.html` ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/11 "2009-04-10T04:42:26Z")
> [@snakeeyesontheparadise](#): > > Thanks for the responses guys > > yeah, the social proofing thing is something I completely overlooked, and may explain some of this too, but it’s possible that the stickyness of the pheromones or the residual effect may have also enhanced the effect and played the part. > > Phya, your comments on P79 combined with P93 are very interesting to me. I have worn P79 together with MX203 on a couple of occassions, and I know MX203 is mainly made up of P93. **I noticed that when I wore this combination I didn’t really feel the same way as you described. instead, the feeling I got was almost as if my brained was totally “numbed”. I couldn’t think straight and I became so reserved that I was refraining from chatting with anyone, even a really good mate of mine who was out with me at the time. And when out together we can normally talk and talk and talk, but when I wore p79 with MX203 I felt like I didn’t want to talk to anyone. I was almost what I’d call the total “anti-social” type. I remember wearing it around a cute swedish waitress, and normally I’m all flirty with cute waitresses, but when I wore that combo I as totally lost for words and couldn’t really open my mouth. I felt heaviness, or “numbed” in my head and was also, from memory just slighty irritable. I do remember that combination feeling very weird,** until I sprayed some IS and IO over the top and started to act my like my normal self again. **This could have been the P93 in MX203 (or the P79 enahncing the ‘mute’/'dry’effect). As far as I know there is no TAK in MX203 (but I don’t know for sure - Phya may be right about the TAK in there causing the ‘blunt’ effect if there is)…** Forum Member Freebie Coupons 12/12/06 - 12/18/06 - P93 mix for men and A314 for Women Jasmin (December 12, 2006): “…1. The first pheromone test mix you get is MX203. This is heavy P93 based mix Michael made last week. Has lots of Alpha Androstenol and TAA, too. Comes in a base of what we’ve been calling our “PheroGame” cologne or Fragrance #6, which has similar notes to Cool Water, Unforgivable, Green Irish Tweed, etc. It’s a simple, but bazooka like mix…” **An interesting aspect to P93 molecule that I have noticed myself (and others have as well) is that it can lead to somewhat of a ‘muted’ and ‘dry’ effect on conversations as Jedi Nights explains below. Unless sufficiently buffered by communication enhancing pheromones, P93 is not really something that leads to excessive brainless chatter but rather grounded purposeful friendly communication is what it seems to promote…** > [@New Phero Guesses](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-phero-guesses/6719/54): > > A couple of more comments. To me, [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) is how other social mones should have been but failed to deliver, including SOE and CTTM, for it doesn’t foster brainless chatters. Much more grounded and realistic, which suits me fine, for I am not a big fan of pointless chit chats. Smudge (December 7, 2007): “A couple of more comments. **To me, P93 is how other social pheromones should have been but failed to deliver, including Scent of Eros and CTTM, for it doesn’t foster brainless chatters. Much more grounded and realistic, which suits me fine, for I am not a big fan of pointless chit chats.** ” > [@P93 Standing Alone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-standing-alone/14795/1): > > P93 Day 1: 5 mcg to each arm at 6:30AM. 7:00 arrive at breakfast place. No unusual interaction of note. 7:30 arrive at work. No unusual interaction of note. 8:30 restroom visit – at another 5mcg to each arm and 10 mcg to chest. (up at 30mcg) Conversation with a female co-worker lacks her certain warmth. This might be because I have no Instant Honesty or [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) on like I usually do. 10:30 add another 5mcg to each forearm. (now at 40mcg for the day) Conversation with another f… Jedi\_Nights (July 2, 2008): “ P93 Standing Alone P93 Day 1: 5 mcg to each arm at 6:30AM. 7:00 arrive at breakfast place. No unusual interaction of note. 7:30 arrive at work. No unusual interaction of note. 8:30 restroom visit – at another 5mcg to each arm and 10 mcg to chest. (up at 30mcg) Conversation with a female co-worker lacks her certain warmth. This might be because I have no Instant Honesty or [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) on like I usually do. 10:30 add another 5mcg to each forearm. (now at 40mcg for the day) Conversation with another female co-worker also lacks her certain warmth. Again, this might be because I have no Instant Honesty or Instant Female Magic on like I usually do. 1:30 go to lunch place. No unusual interaction of note. No unusual interaction of note for the rest of the day until 8:30 at the local watering hole – barmaid opens up her troubles to me and asks advice. **This is not unusual, but her tone was more muted – quiet.** Go home, shower and wash all this off. 11:30 retire. P93 Day 2: Get up and shower. Put on a total of 30mcgs 7:30 – Packed car and left with LTR (Oriental) for breakfast. No unusual interaction of note during breakfast. After breakfast I drove for 3 hours. **The feeling of the conversation we had during that time was different. It was open and honest, yet somewhat dry.** **The rich full sound of a French horn is indeed beautiful, but have you ever heard one with a mute in it? Nasal! Well, my impression is that Instant Honesty is a French Horn and P93 is another one with a mute stuck in it.** We arrived at our destination, had a bite to eat at a restaurant. No unusual interaction of note. We went off to play the penny slots. I put $5 in a machine and got lucky and it fetched $20. That’s it for me – stop while I’m ahead and go spend it at the bar after I visit the restroom and put another 40mcgs of P93 – kicking the total around 70. Sat down at the bar and ordered a beer. Barmaid was rather grouchy. I put my arms out in front of me and gently blew across them to “put a cloud” in the area she would be when she brought the beer. As she put the beer down in front of me I looked her in the eye and said, “Thank you very much”. As she was pulling away, she paused, did a double take and said, “You’re Welcome”. Next time she came around – she was happy! Don’t know if that was the P93 or if she just got a big tip on the other side. She was smiley and chatty to me the rest of the time while I was there and not so much with the other gents. We left and it was a 2 hour drive and I was getting tired so I found a motel, unloaded our bags and went out to eat. I was really tired when we got back at the motel and skipped the shower and just went to sleep…” ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-and-p79-for-how-long-can-the-effects-last-after-application/13008/12 "2009-04-10T10:56:54Z")
> [@snakeeyesontheparadise](#): > > I go home confused as to how, if I applied the pheromones 9 hours or so earlier in the day, did I still get the effects later that evening. So the questions I then wished to pose were: > > A) Was it just a residual effect? > B) If it’s not a residual effect, which of the Androstadienone or P79 was the stickier substance that hung around all day on my skin giving me a long-lasting effect? if it’s true that a1 converts to androstenone on your body over time, as stated here: [Androstadienone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone/7140/6), i suppose that answer to your question could be a1, but that’s just my two cents… 🙂