# A1 for a fallout mix: is Cohesion a good source, or is there a better route? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 26, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321 "2013-10-26T09:40:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/21 "2013-10-26T15:19:49Z")
hey mobo! true love contain meo est,what are the side effects? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/22 "2013-10-26T16:10:37Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Okay, I’m going to keep all of this in mind. Cohesion Oil\> CrushXS? One or the other. CrushXS is more or less the Cohesion spray formula minus the pheros suspected to detract from fallout, so using them together is pointless. The one thing to watch with CrushXS is that if you do get the bad self effects from A1, its going to hit pretty bad. And that’s the thing with Cohesion, despite the slight damage to fallout properties, these extra pheros do help offset the A1 downers, as does the oil base, very well. A314 alongside the oil does seem to help restore then somewhat. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/23 "2013-10-26T16:13:47Z")
> [@leon333](#): > > hey mobo! true love contain meo est,what are the side effects? Others have posted in more detail on this but IIRC its a possible carcinogen. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/24 "2013-10-26T16:17:28Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > One or the other. CrushXS is more or less the Cohesion spray formula minus the pheros suspected to detract from fallout, so using them together is pointless. > > The one thing to watch with CrushXS is that if you do get the bad self effects from A1, its going to hit pretty bad. > > And that’s the thing with Cohesion, despite the slight damage to fallout properties, these extra pheros do help offset the A1 downers, as does the oil base, very well. A314 alongside the oil does seem to help restore then somewhat. Crushxs can be buffered with IS though, right? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/25 "2013-10-26T16:24:22Z")
I don’t find IS a particularly good buffer for A1 downers but yes, in the short term it can work if you want to risk crash-level doses. For use in the wild, I was finding I needed two or three IS topups to each application of A1 spray/oil and was feeling pretty grim from the both of them by the end of it. Much better to get yourself used to the A1 or CXS by other means - wearing a small amount daily for a while, washing when the downers hit, then re-applying later when recovered did much better. After a week I could up the dose, then by a fortnight, I could use it with fewer problems at more normal doses. If you still get the downers after that, I would think a different combo might be in order. I switched to IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) for a long time and didn’t really miss the A1. although I did come back to it recently when Cohesion came along and I find I can use it more effectively. Also, that period of adjustment gave me one hell of a good intro to A1 and respect for it in even the smallest doses - Where it can still be very effective, without detracting from other components in the mix. A1 and P83 are two pheros that are often overused in mixes and that’s a shame because although both are good, its all too easy to take an otherwise effective mix and simply muffle it with them. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/26 "2013-10-26T16:26:28Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I don’t find IS a particularly good buffer for A1 downers but yes, in the short term it can work if you want to risk crash-level doses. For use in the wild, I was finding I needed two or three IS topups to each application of spray/oil and was feeling pretty grim from the both of them by the end of it. > > Much better to get yourself used to the A1 or CXS by other means - wearing a small amount daily for a while, washing when the downers hit, then re-applying later did much better. After a week I could up the dose, then by a fortnight, I could use it with few problems. If you still get the downers after that, I would think a different combo might be in order. I switched to IH/P74 for a long time and didn’t really miss the A1. although I did come back to it recently when Cohesion came along and I find I can use it more effectively. Ah right. I’m terrible at being self-aware of my feelings, which is what makes this so difficult for me. What are some good solid signs to decipher whether I’m crashing or not? ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/27 "2013-10-26T16:28:13Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > One or the other. CrushXS is more or less the Cohesion spray formula minus the pheros suspected to detract from fallout, so using them together is pointless. > > The one thing to watch with CrushXS is that if you do get the bad self effects from A1, its going to hit pretty bad. > > And that’s the thing with Cohesion, despite the slight damage to fallout properties, these extra pheros do help offset the A1 downers, as does the oil base, very well. A314 alongside the oil does seem to help restore then somewhat. Won’t IS help you from those bad effects. Also, if Cohesion musses up the fallout effect, why use it? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/28 "2013-10-26T16:30:37Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Won’t IS help you from those bad effects. Also, if Cohesion musses up the fallout effect, why use it? Cohesion contains buffers that partially negate the impact of A1 downers. As a result of this, you trade-off some of the fallout properties. Crushxs on the other hand, doesn’t contain these buffers so the A1 downers could hit you hard. However, the fallout properties are more potent. That’s what I’ve gathered at least. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/29 "2013-10-26T16:40:01Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Ah right. I’m terrible at being self-aware of my feelings, which is what makes this so difficult for me. What are some good solid signs to decipher whether I’m crashing or not? In me, its feeling tired, very drawn, grumpy and often with a dragging/buzzy headache. An A1 downer is like being hit by a wall of abject anguish but thankfully it goes away quickly when you wash the app points - So keep your A1/Cohesion/CXS apps apart from all other pheros so you can wash if you get hit or they start to stink. That way you don’t lose the entire mix. Also use points further away from your nose - wrists/forearms/back of neck. Of course you may not suffer this at all - and a lot of people don’t, so in that case use away! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/30 "2013-10-26T16:41:08Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Cohesion contains buffers that partially negate the impact of A1 downers. As a result of this, you trade-off some of the fallout properties. > > Crushxs on the other hand, doesn’t contain these buffers so the A1 downers could hit you hard. However, the fallout properties are more potent. > > That’s what I’ve gathered at least. Cool. This is a hard one. I don’t think I care about the downers. I’ll get use to them, just like I have gotten use to many of the odd effects. I think I’ll use CrushXS and go from there. Now, I want to know of a real good, tried and true fallout method that will have the effect Kotov was talking. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/31 "2013-10-26T16:44:58Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Won’t IS help you from those bad effects. Also, if Cohesion musses up the fallout effect, why use it? Its not messed-up completely by ant means and A314 seems to help restore it (or adds its own properties) a good bit. A1 or Cohesion is also very useful in other types of mixes that don’t involve fallout - notably comfort/none moderation and especially around her time of the month, so it still has lots going for it. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/32 "2013-10-26T16:47:27Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Its not messed-up completely by ant means and A314 seems to help restore it (or adds its own properties) a good bit. > > A1 or Cohesion is also very useful in other types of mixes that don’t involve fallout - notably comfort/none moderation and especially around her time of the month, so it still has lots going for it. That’s pretty cool too. I’m looking for a nuclear meltdown of epic proprtions that aren’t even fair and leave little to resistance. Got one that I can use with CrushXS and A314 oil? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/33 "2013-10-26T16:50:29Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > That’s pretty cool too. I’m looking for a nuclear meltdown of epic proprtions that aren’t even fair and leave little to resistance. > > Got one that I can use with CrushXS and A314 oil? Perhaps Crushxs with some [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). Could maybe add a spray of TuTH to sexualise it, **when needed**? I personally haven’t had any results with A314. Maybe I’m too young. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/34 "2013-10-26T16:53:55Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Perhaps Crushxs with some P83. Could maybe add a spray of TuTH to sexualise it, **when needed**? > > I personally haven’t had any results with A314. Maybe I’m too young. How old are you? Also I think MOBO is right. That Cohesion Oil is too hard to pass up. Good as a stand alone and has great properties. Still would like a Cohesion fallout instead of Crush. NVM…You’re 21. Hmmmm, you should have no worries and probably go for IG instead. This is what I have read other vets say to young guys anyways. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/35 "2013-10-26T16:57:37Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > I don’t think I care about the downers. > > Now, I want to know of a real good, tried and true fallout method that will have the effect Kotov was talking. If you get them, believe me, you **will** care! 😮 No fallout mix is absolutely tried and true - partly because it needs to be something she will respond to anyway, age and personality-wise and because fallout is not always the best way to proceed with someone. If she’s not in a place emotionally to go-with one, it can produce some rather extreme wavering between wanting to be with you all the time and then pushing you right away. It can also bring-out the clingy/stalkerish aspects in some people rather too effectively. And also expect to be surprised by who the mix hits - I’ve had a few instances where it hit bystanders harder and more effectively than the main target and because they were more in a position to act on their responses/feelings, I ended-up going with them. It can also be rather difficult when it hits a married/partnered-up woman hard. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/36 "2013-10-26T17:07:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you get them, believe me, you **will** care! 😮 > > No fallout mix is absolutely tried and true - partly because it needs to be something she will respond to anyway, age and personality-wise and because fallout is not always the best way to proceed with someone. If she’s not in a place emotionally to go-with one, it can produce some rather extreme wavering between wanting to be with you all the time and then pushing you right away. It can also bring-out the clingy/stalkerish aspects in some people rather too effectively. > > And also expect to be surprised by who the mix hits - I’ve had a few instances where it hit bystanders harder and more effectively than the main target and because they were more in a position to act on their responses/feelings, I ended-up going with them. It can also be rather difficult when it hits a married/partnered-up woman hard. Are you going to give me the know how? I’m 38, black, decent looking, and targeting a 26 yr old black woman and 36yr old black woman. Friends with both. I work in an environment of women. Like 15+ to 1. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/37 "2013-10-26T17:22:10Z")
Put a couple sprays of crushxs on the front 2 sides of my neck 30’ish mins ago. Noticed no side effects what so ever. I do feel kinda chill and calm though, which is nice! How many sprays of crushxs would you say is the max? I could probably go to 3-4 if it’ll improve fallout effects. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/38 "2013-10-26T17:24:14Z")
It can take a few hours for any negatives to hit but so far, that sounds good! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/39 "2013-10-26T17:27:51Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > That’s pretty cool too. I’m looking for a nuclear meltdown of epic proprtions that aren’t even fair and leave little to resistance. That won’t happen quickly with a fallout mix - It takes time and repeated exposure/withdrawal for the mix effects to sink-in and establish themselves in her psyche, where they then build till things suddenly get gloriously out of control. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321/40 "2013-10-26T17:37:49Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Are you going to give me the know how? I’m 38, black, decent looking, and targeting a 26 yr old black woman and 36yr old black woman. Friends with both. > > I work in an environment of women. Like 15+ to 1. Around work, just A314/Cohesion has been doing me very well recently - I’ve got several fallouts on the go because of it, from mid 20s to early 40s, two of whom went hot in the weeks preceding my surgery. You can fine-tune it with small amounts of TUTH to suit yourself but keep it low in work time till you establish comfort limits. Although A314 and Cohesion (or A1) will balance TUTH well, some women will balk at an overt sexual in work time. Ideally I would ramp-up the sexuals when going out after work or at a relaxed social. Which would also be a good time to introduce the P83 but if you work close and touching is acceptable in your workplace, some would be good there too. However, the best fallout mix I have used around work was A314/IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), adding TUTH or NPA as a post-work sexual. That collected me a string of fallouts and with the added bonus of superb professional status/involvement - but it got to the point my gaggle of fawning/adoring women was getting awkward and noticed in a not so good way. I had to back-off and use that one with a lot more discretion. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-for-a-fallout-mix-is-cohesion-a-good-source-or-is-there-a-better-route/60321.md?page=3)