# A1 is in which formulas? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 25, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245 "2007-08-25T03:40:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Astrocloud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrocloud/32/1961_2.png) [@Astrocloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrocloud)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/1 "2007-08-25T03:40:12Z")
I am considering going with straight A1 and mixing it with other formulas. Which formulas already have A1 in them? Which have the most A1? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/2 "2007-08-25T09:24:31Z")
> [@Astrocloud](#): > > I am considering going with straight Androstadienone and mixing it with other formulas. Which formulas already have Androstadienone in them? > Which have the most Androstadienone? There are only a few products that we know exactly whats in them and about how much but this post may be helpful to you. > [@Ingredients for Androtics Pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ingredients-for-androtics-pheromones/3304): > > I seem to have noticed that some of the Androtics products have some of the ingredients disclosed, such as Ammo or Turn up the Heat having -none in them, but many others simply says it contains x amount of different pheromones totalling. While this gives an idea of what it might be like, it isnt very specific. I feel that it would inspire more faith when buying if i knew exact what was in it, such as -none, -Androsterone, alpha/beta -Androstenol, -Androstadienone, copulins or whatever. Does anyo… Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/3 "2007-08-25T09:50:09Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) seems likely, I recall threads where A1 was spoken openly of as an ingredient – but you can search to see if that’s true, don’t rely on my memory. Mystery Boy? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/4 "2007-08-25T09:52:57Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is the only Androtics product said to contain A-1 (& plenty of it). Women’s Realm also has A-1, albeit only a small amount. I’ve had amazingly excellent and consistent results with pure chemset A-2 from LS. However I’m trying Instant Female Magic for the first time this week to see if the secret steering pheromones improve an already effective pheromone. I can say IHM doesn’t smell anything like the chemset A-1 I’ve used in the past. Smells more similar to P74 and 79. But then IFM is a mix so I didn’t expect it to smell the same. I seem to recall an Aussie product with A-1, but can’t remember the name. ---
**Author:** ![Astrocloud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrocloud/32/1961_2.png) [@Astrocloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrocloud)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/5 "2007-08-26T05:25:33Z")
I’ve had lots of luck with [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). Tonight for instance this waitress kept talking to me. This was after I gave her my normal tip (20%) so she wasn’t talking it up like she was after a tip. Of course she had to talk about her personal life… she just broke up with her boyfriend. As usual I didn’t do anything about it… She wasn’t my type -but it seems that the pheros are working. To be sure 4 drops A314, 1 spray ammo, 3 sprays instant female magic. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/6 "2007-08-26T07:16:56Z")
[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is the ‘mainline’ pheromone product here that contains mostly A1. I believe MHarris and Jasmin cannot legally name it in the formula because of patent issues with the molecule. There is IFM for women as well which adds Estratetraenol to the formula (as well as one other mone I think?)-this is designed to maximise comfort for women not necessarily to help men make use of A1 in the best way for their needs. I believe both men’s and women’s versions of IFM use Clary Sage - some people don’t like the scent but it is not there to enhance the fragrance of the product but rather it is ment to help with the ‘anti-PMS effect’ of A1. Also I believe Clary Sage is there to offset the negative effects that A1 can have on some men’s moods. IMHO if you are a guy who is prone to depression from A1, you might be better off to use alternatives in its place. We now have a number of molecules that help with PMS symptoms and lead to bonding behavior from females without making some males feel bad. A combination of some or all of P74, P93, TAA and Estratetraenol should cover the major effects that one gets from A1/IFM (as well as getting the additional benefits that these mones can bring to the table). If you want to cover the increased ‘intimacy’ effects of A1 perhaps Beta-Androstenol/IH would be a good addition to the above products and if you want the increased approachability from women that A1 can bring then ‘intimidation reducers’ like WAGG (or TAK) may be useful. Of course A1/IFM is still an awesome product and one may still want to bring it out once in a while (perhaps for a ‘special occassion’ or just to change the signature so that the target does not become ‘immune’ to the effects of a regular mix). -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/7 "2007-08-26T11:54:19Z")
Here is my understanding: A1 is patented, and not by Androtics. Use of A1 in a “perfume” or in any way that corresponds with cosmetic use means you have to pay the patent owner whatever s/he might demand or be subject to patent infringement lawsuit. I think MHarris at one point mentioned that A1 costs about **eleven** times as much as a molecule that Androtics synthesizes itself – even though Androtics uses top quality process and methods to produce. So, AD is /a/ not keen to use molecules synthesized by others in the first place, and /b/ has good reason to focus on products that don’t require an astronomical price. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Astrocloud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrocloud/32/1961_2.png) [@Astrocloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrocloud)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/8 "2007-08-26T17:15:07Z")
Looking at the list of patents with the word Androstadienone in it: [Patents: Androstadienone](http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?query_txt=Androstadienone) -You see that the only thing patented are two methods of creating it. Otherwise any male who makes this chemical with their bodies would be guilty of patent infringement. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2007, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-is-in-which-formulas/5245/9 "2007-08-27T18:48:29Z")
I don’t know if it’s still there, but a while back I bought a spray bottl of [Androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) in the “Experimone” section of the store.