# A314 and Athena **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 1, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929 "2008-01-01T11:53:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba9def/32.png) [@kom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kom)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/1 "2008-01-01T11:53:47Z")
which [pheromone](https://a314.com/) is best Athena or A314? ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/2 "2008-01-01T13:40:22Z")
_alpha a 3 million and 14!!! millionare pheromone. athena sort of along the lines of apc but should also be oky, cuz zpc works for me and it is one of the weakest products so maybe._ ---
**Author:** ![DrZorters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@DrZorters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrZorters)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/3 "2008-01-01T15:53:37Z")
Hey kom, What is your intended use? DrZorters ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/4 "2008-01-01T18:24:35Z")
I have the womens version and I would say its so so. On a scale of 1 to 10 for all the mone products I own which is a real lot LOL I would give it a 6 This is with 1 being the weakest and 10 being the strongest. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/5 "2008-01-01T19:59:21Z")
I have used both and just go with Androtics products as seem to work better. Not that Athena was bad - just not the same effects as A314 et. al.. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/6 "2008-01-01T20:35:45Z")
They are complimentary. I’m convinced that Athena 10x is an indirect pheromone. That is, after wearing it for a while, your body produces the actual attractants. This is why you really need to wear it for 2-3 months before you see anything substantial. But it definitely works…gives an effect similar to wearing EST + androstadienone. Id still pick A314 any day, but dont trash the 10x. I think most people wore it for a few days and gave up or didnt notice the subtle, gradual effects. Unlike Androtics pheros, 10x doesnt give hard hits. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/7 "2008-01-02T00:22:41Z")
I agree, Athena is much more subtle. I went through several bottles of Athena 10x before I found Androtics. My last bottle of 10x is seldom used nowdays. I had an experience with Athena 10x of a woman homing in on the application point and nibbling on it. This seems to at least partially contradict the theory that 10x is stimulating some sort of natural pheromone production, as the natural production would probably not be focused on the 10x application point. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/8 "2008-01-02T00:29:05Z")
Wind, did you apply it raw or did you use a fragrance with your Athena? If so, which? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/9 "2008-01-02T00:37:51Z")
Raw, or slightly diluted with alcohol. Still much stronger than the recommended dilutions with perfume. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/10 "2008-01-02T01:00:17Z")
I am on bottle number 2. I use it straight and cover. I think it has its purpose, dont get me wrong. I think I am just spoiled now because of androtics LOL. Once you find what works well for you its hard to stick with the ones that are more mild. I would never suggested trashing it though. I keep it around for days when you just want a mild reaction. Plus I think changing mones around a bit can be beneficial in the effectiveness of favorite products. It gives you a better perspective on them. JMO Tisha ---
**Author:** ![chris43](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8797f3/32.png) [@chris43](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chris43)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/11 "2010-02-26T07:05:53Z")
The biggest advantage with Athena 10X is that you put some everyday and it last all day long instead of having to refresh every 4 to 6 hours. I’m shure it’s topical dhea. Because it’s not what you wear on but what your body as absorb the days before, so you can skip a day and it will still be effective that day. You can notice when it kicks in, your hair will begin to be more sticky when you clean it. I had alot of experience with it and other products from lovescent. I agree when people say that it less effective then love-scent products because it’s base on a more normal level of [pheromones](https://a314.com/) instead of max out unhuman off the chart level that you can do with example Primal Instinct. The thing is it depend on what you want to acheive. If your single and wanna bang most chicks possible, put on some none stuff at lovescent. If instead you are in my position and are maried or in a relationship and you want to max out your mones output and still have a edge or charisma factor over most of the population then go with Athena 10X. The bad thing about the stronger stuff is that if your new you will have to experiment a lot to find your treshold point. That will give you alot of good and bad reactions from others and yes you can become addictive to mones if your ego get’s in the line with all the “unreal” reactions from the womens you will meet. ---
**Author:** ![chris43](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8797f3/32.png) [@chris43](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chris43)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/12 "2010-02-26T08:09:03Z")
Sorry, i use to buy my mones at lovescent before but i’m shure smartmones are as good since they have the androtic products. ---
**Author:** ![SyraBrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@SyraBrian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SyraBrian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/13 "2010-02-26T19:00:51Z")
To me, Athena10X works best as an additive/amplifier to other pheromone based products. Whenever I’ve mixed in the Athena 10X with another pheromone based product, the results are amplified five to ten fold. ---
**Author:** ![dorfmeister](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dorfmeister/32/5188_2.png) [@dorfmeister](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dorfmeister)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/14 "2016-06-04T20:30:11Z")
So is anyone still using Athena as an adjunct to stronger [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) and finding it to be an enhancer? I am intrigued by it possibly being a sort of “universal enhancer”. ---
**Author:** ![mrrouen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@mrrouen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrrouen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/15 "2016-06-04T20:41:10Z")
On my last journal post I talk about my experience eith Athena. I guess I have to agree that it takes time before it kicks in because the effects I see right now are very minimal to none. I started using 4,5 days ago. I think with nones and etc, its instant but with Athena it requires time. I have not tested it with androticsdirect products yet as I will recieve my orders on monday. I can see it being used as an adjuster. ---
**Author:** ![dorfmeister](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dorfmeister/32/5188_2.png) [@dorfmeister](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dorfmeister)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/16 "2016-06-04T20:44:48Z")
> [@SyraBrian](#): > > To me, Athena10X works best as an additive/amplifier to other pheromone based products. Whenever I’ve mixed in the Athena 10X with another pheromone based product, the results are amplified five to ten fold. I find this reply quite intriguing. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/17 "2016-06-04T23:07:45Z")
that thing is 12 years old right, there are a lot of kids running around, so I suppose it worked somewhat. man lemme tell you. Apc was the shit. Got my first hit with that. I suppose it was completely perfumed none at low does. Then I got absolutely absurd sexual hits with tuth(turn up the heat). Low dose none with cologne masked none folks. That is important. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/18 "2016-06-04T23:11:58Z")
low dose extremely well covered none, even if it is 0.125 mcg none per spray will do well. Interested in people doing that. i have had good days with that. ---
**Author:** ![dorfmeister](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dorfmeister/32/5188_2.png) [@dorfmeister](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dorfmeister)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/19 "2017-03-05T18:13:49Z")
Pondering using a bottle of this mixed into a 60ml spray bottle filled with perfumer’s alcohol, iso e super, hedione, civet tincture, hyraceum tincture, and castoreum tincture. I would use it daily as a “universal enhancer” for the daily oil based alpha blend I wear. The biggest hurdle is deciding if it is actually worth the $100, though if it is in a 60 ml bottle it should last quite a while at one spray to the neck a day. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-athena/7929/20 "2017-03-05T21:13:24Z")
[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and p83 combined with 2 sprays of ammo have been very consistent in eye contact and smiles from the ladies. Tried p74 p83 same dose together without ammo and noticed a total drop in eye contact or smiles from ladies and guys were less friendly but still relaxed. I the P stuff need nol and none or even taa with them. Waiting for some taa as I have no more. I do have some aqua vitae which i shelved a long time ago due to the meannes it brought out in people solo or combined with androstadienone, then some outrageous staring but short lasting hits from women the next day after a shower. Tough to handle and brought more pain than pleasure.Might give it a go with friendly and sexy pals p74/p83.