# A314 and MX297 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014 "2014-05-24T16:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/1 "2014-05-24T16:44:37Z")
I have read on this forum that a314 and mx297 shouldn’t be a good mix because they send different signals. However, I have found that mx297 when mixed with ammo, IG works quite well and a314 works well with it too. I think you still get the respect vibe from a314 but mx297 makes you more approachable and women will make eye contact more whereas they pretty much don’t make any eye contact at all after a couple of seconds when wearing just a314 and they start looking at the ground or look away on purpose if they think you’re too high status. mx297 seems to grab peoples attention in a good way and with a314 you still get the confidence increase so perhaps this combination gives you the benefits of mx297 without the risk of being friendzoned. Has anyone else tested this combination and found similar? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/2 "2014-05-24T17:06:32Z")
Its a flaming disastrous mix IMO. One of the worst/most wasteful combinations you could possibly wear! These two together send such conflicting signals that all I’ve ever had were confused and unproductive responses from people who would do very well with one or the other at other times. Also, I find that people fall into two broad categories - A314-responsive, or [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) responsive (usually in more specific fun/social environments), with only some rather specific situational overlap for high-dose A314 that can benefit from a **small** amount of MX297 steering - However, there are other combos that will make A314 more sociable without damaging it so severely So for that reason, these two are very much something I try to avoid using/overlapping together - In fact I try to avoid using anything with Rone around MX297 as it will flatten it to some degree but yes, IG is more potentially usable. Also, If you are being friendzoned when wearing MX297 - Try ramping-up your attractive behaviours/body language, adding some TUTH (which damages MX297 least of all) and go-for it. Its you that gets you friendzoned, not the pheros! ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/3 "2014-05-24T17:30:06Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > These two together send such conflicting signals that all I’ve ever had were confused and unproductive responses from people who would do very well with one or the other at other times. > > Also, I find that people fall into two broad categories - A314-responsive, or MX297 responsive (usually in more specific fun/social environments), with only some rather specific situational overlap for high-dose A314 that can benefit from a **small** amount of MX297 steering - However, there are other combos that will make A314 more sociable without damaging it so severely I have found that the self effects of a314 and the effects on others are exactly what the product says it does, but compared to ammo and IG where women make it obvious they are interested and actually want to be caught looking, a314 makes them all look at the ground or go awkward in their body language sometimes. Even with one spray from togo bottle. I want to find a combination that retains the respect vibe and alpha signals but allows women not to be intimidated by the high status vibe. I have tested 1 spray of a314 with p74 and that makes people more friendly and talkative. p96 tones it down but it’s not as friendly as p74. > [@mobocaster](#): > > Also, If you are being friendzoned when wearing MX297 - Try ramping-up your attractive behaviours/body language, adding some TUTH (which damages MX297 least of all) and go-for it. Its you that gets you friendzoned, not the pheros! I had read that mx297 makes people friendly towards you but is not attractive like ammo, I haven’t tested mx297 apart from with a314 and I had more IOIs with mx297 and a314 compared to just a314 on its own. Perhaps it toned down a314 enough to allow for that. Rather than making mx297 more sexual I would like to try and find an a314 mix that gets as many IOIs as ammo and IS, or IG and IS. Maybe I’ll stick to those lol ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/4 "2014-05-25T15:22:53Z")
> [@Username1234](#): > > I have found that the self effects of a314 and the effects on others are exactly what the product says it does, but compared to ammo and IG where women make it obvious they are interested and actually want to be caught looking, a314 makes them all look at the ground or go awkward in their body language sometimes. Even with one spray from togo bottle. I want to find a combination that retains the respect vibe and alpha signals but allows women not to be intimidated by the high status vibe. I have tested 1 spray of a314 with p74 and that makes people more friendly and talkative. p96 tones it down but it’s not as friendly as p74. This will always be a problem when wearing pheros for self-effect and it can get worse in time as you get used to self effects and maybe need to go to higher doses. Very often you will get to the point where any benefit from self effects will be negated by negative effects on other people because of dose/conflict with other pheros. I’d suggest you address personal issues in more substantive and permanent ways that don’t rely on pheros to support them - Then any extra effects from pheros can be regarded as a useful bonus that help but not overpower. How old are these women? It could be they are of an age-range where A314 is not so useful as a primary (and your finding IG more useful may bear that out) or that your dose is too high? It could also be that you are using A314 in socially unsuitable situations where its signals are being interpreted differently or it could well be that these women are not generally A314-responsive - A314 is not an attraction phero per-se and attraction is not always about being the alpha. Attraction can be very fluid and dependant on situation, so sending a solid-LTR style A314 vibe around women who are more looking for no-strings fun can work against you. This is where [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) has the field to itself. Which version A314 and how much P74/P96 have you been using with it - P74 normally socialises A314 nicely and has other specific uses in different mix styles but too much can flatten the A314 status very effectively. > [@](#): > > I had read that mx297 makes people friendly towards you but is not attractive like ammo, I haven’t tested mx297 apart from with a314 and I had more IOIs with mx297 and a314 compared to just a314 on its own. Perhaps it toned down a314 enough to allow for that. Rather than making mx297 more sexual I would like to try and find an a314 mix that gets as many IOIs as ammo and IS, or IG and IS. Maybe I’ll stick to those lol MX297 is indeed social and engaging and is at its very best in the most uninhibited “party” environments. If you can get-in there and make the best of it, you will not need much if anything else - except maybe a little None or TUTH on a more mature guy but that also depends on the ages of the women affected and it is quite possible for a younger guy with a decent natural None output to use MX297 effectively for attraction. IIRC, most of the reports of “friendzone” with MX297 were from guys using high doses in the wrong environments and not backing-up its social/engaging nature with the right behaviour - This is not a product for your taciturn “chiselled alpha” types and that could be a lot to do with their poor results. Before you do anything with mixing MX297, give it an extended try on its own (maybe have some TUTH on hand though 😉 ) - Mixing anything with 297 will alter its nature to a greater or lesser degree, mostly for the worse IMO but TUTH or straight None do the least damage. You don’t say how much MX297/A314 you used at each time but it is possible you used enough 297 to effectively obliterate the A314 and a lower dose of 297 could do better and less wastefully for you. You might also want to consider MX297/P75 (@2.5mcg) - which IME does bolster the status/attractive aspect of 297 quite well, with suitable self effects but without nearly as much damage as high-Rone products can inflict. It also is very useful around younger/Asian women who tend to be put-off by overt None, although MX297 is good at moderating some fairly brutal doses. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/5 "2014-05-27T11:26:11Z")
if you’re just after eye contact and other IOIs, then yes, a conflicting mix is good. Yes, you will get lots of attention because people are curious. Still, it’s a conflicting mix and they don’t know what to make of you. With A314 maybe women don’t make it obvious that they are interested but it doesn’t mean they aren’t. It’s your job to make it work from there. Having said that, in my opinion A314 is not very good (in the long run) as a confidence boost and/or for self effects. If you are confident’s, it’s good for letting others know about it. Otherwise - incongruency, conflicting signals again etc. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-mx297/62014/6 "2014-05-27T16:55:29Z")
> [@Marihino](#): > > if you’re just after eye contact and other IOIs, then yes, a conflicting mix is good. Yes, you will get lots of attention because people are curious. Its not even that kind of conflicting IME - Far more just confusing in a way that people can’t get a take on you good or bad. Decidedly mediocre. ☹