# A314 and Turn Up The Heat in place of Ammo on a bar date: reasonable effects **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 5, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808 "2008-04-05T10:56:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/1 "2008-04-05T10:56:39Z")
There are a fair few threads giving reports on A314 & [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), a combo which is one of my personal favourites. It’s a kinda all rounder in that you can safely wear it at work and at bars/clubs etc (although I need to limit the Ammo to one spray at work otherwise things can get kinda nasty 😉 ) Anyhoo, my Ammo was running low so I decided to subsitute it for Turn up the heat. We went to a local trendy bar (myself and my date), although students like myself usually frequent it so I didnt look/feel out of place. I used: 1 drop of A314 split between back of ears and 2 sprays of TuTH (one to chest and one split between forearms). The overall effects were reasonable, a hotty of a waitress (early 20’s I’d say)gave prolonged eye contact and the was a fair bit of interest from a few other ladies knocking around. Aside from that not much more, this completely contrasted with my experience with A314 and Ammo. There was a huge amount more of…erm…bodily contact 😉 , girls would approach us, some ‘interesting topics’ of conversation. Yet with this combo nada. My date seemed ok with the mix (by that I mean she didnt run off screaming), although she sometimes became distant, no real sexual effects which I found strange 😕 . That said she has been known to react badly to none but loves it up with rone (kinda thought the A314 woulda covered me there!) Obviously, the lack of Rone and Nols would explain this pretty well. But I think its something more. I think I’m more of a light hearted kinda guy, this mix is far more serious and moody, didnt really meld well with my personality at all, whereas the Ammo/A314 combo did. I think this mix well for guys who tend to be the lone wolf. Not something I’ll be using again for a while, I think I’ll just save the TuTH for times when I go clubbing. Rattle PS. Not the greatest report in the world I know, but I’m still hung over as I type this. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/2 "2008-04-05T11:26:07Z")
Actually lone wolf types need to hold the androstenone and lather on the nols and other friendly mones. Their natural androstenone output tends to be high and, combined with a baddass and unsociable persona, androstenone is the last thing they need. Unless, of course, they really hate people and want them to flee… ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/3 "2008-04-05T11:32:23Z")
Lol thats a good point, I think the point I was getting at was that it would be more inline with their persona (i.e. congruent). There is a debate in there somewhere as to which is better, complementing your own persona or filling in the gaps. My own opinion would be to say a little of both unless your completely happy with your current vibe. ---
**Author:** ![goodtimecharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@goodtimecharlie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/goodtimecharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/4 "2008-04-09T12:26:47Z")
Speaking as a lone wolf type, I likely wouldn’t buy pheros to enhance that sort of personality trait. Life is so much more fun and eventful and female enhanced with Shine, IO and the like. Lone wolves get lonely, especially in social situations. The edge comes from people (females in particular) being attracted despite the “badass” (i.e. confident, standoffish) vibe and stepping forward, which is where Shine, well, shines…haven’t tried it yet myself, but even A314 might be pushing too far into the dark side. 🆒🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/5 "2008-04-09T12:32:42Z")
Thats an interesting point, however, have you ever felt a lack in congruence? Lone wolf persona giving off happy vibes? Other than the mix described above I havent experienced it that often. I find it best to tailor my mixes around my personality type and sometimes (if required) use them to fill a few gaps here and there. But usually to enhance my current persona. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 12:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/6 "2008-04-09T12:47:51Z")
I’m some kind of ‘lone wolf type’ too, unfortunately. I really like the social effects of mones like [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and the nols, as they help me socially quite a bit. On the other hand I love the added confidence of -rone and -none based products. A314 always seemed a little bit too dark for my type, but I found MX103 and 105 to fit perfectly. They give me enhanced confidence without the dark aura. When adding some CTTM2 and P74 it’s a very good mix for the lone wolf type I guess… ---
**Author:** ![goodtimecharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@goodtimecharlie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/goodtimecharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/7 "2008-04-11T12:57:50Z")
I haven’t been using long enough to get into putatives or custom mixes. I’d like to, though. Usually, a few shots of Shine is enough to have people attach themselves to me to the point of annoyance. Not everyone, of course, but there’s one in every crowd.:o When getting into IH and IO, I have to look ahead to where I’m going and who I’ll be around. With friends? Absolutely, I love long and detailed convo. Places and people I don’t know, esp. with alcohol involved? I’m a little more decisive in those situations. I find my happiness has more to do with my mood. Lone wolf doesn’t necessarily mean loner or social outcast (tho I have nuff experience with that side of it); more like “I stand on my own two feet and don’t need your help or input”. There are a surprising number of folk in the world who are put off by this, likely due to either overempathizing or delusional self-importance. I use pheros to enhance or improve my own feelings and emotions; others get a double whammy of my own heightened vibe and their inability to stop breathing around me. ---
**Author:** ![soe\_none](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soe_none/32/2344_2.png) [@soe\_none](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/soe_none)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/8 "2008-04-12T02:47:13Z")
holy hell what’s this about lone wolf types and A314 lol… I happen to be “the” classic example of a lone wolf hahah. I mean I have a few close buddies but hey we don’t hang out every night, so I tend to be a lone wolf..so I guess this might explains how maybe i’m unapproachable sometimes (with high doses of A314). I generally dress very sharp so adding A314 to the mix and a lot of people kinda avoid eye contact with me. I also notice that whenever I enter a room, everyone like stares at me and then immediately averts their eyes. it’s also not helping the fact that I dont smile and I Kinda come off as a “bad-ass-esque.” This happened today and I had 4 drops of A314 ---
**Author:** ![Marc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@Marc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marc)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/9 "2008-04-12T05:47:31Z")
> [@Rattlesnake](#): > > There are a fair few threads giving reports on A314 & Ammo, a combo which is one of my personal favourites. It’s a kinda all rounder in that you can safely wear it at work and at bars/clubs etc (although I need to limit the Ammo to one spray at work otherwise things can get kinda nasty 😉 ) > > Anyhoo, my Ammo was running low so I decided to subsitute it for Turn up the heat. We went to a local trendy bar (myself and my date), although students like myself usually frequent it so I didnt look/feel out of place. > > I used: 1 drop of A314 split between back of ears and 2 sprays of Turn Up The Heat (one to chest and one split between forearms). > > The overall effects were reasonable, a hotty of a waitress (early 20’s I’d say)gave prolonged eye contact and the was a fair bit of interest from a few other ladies knocking around. Aside from that not much more, this completely contrasted with my experience with A314 and Ammo. There was a huge amount more of…erm…bodily contact 😉 , girls would approach us, some ‘interesting topics’ of conversation. Yet with this combo nada. My date seemed ok with the mix (by that I mean she didnt run off screaming), although she sometimes became distant, no real sexual effects which I found strange 😕 . That said she has been known to react badly to none but loves it up with Androsterone (kinda thought the A314 woulda covered me there!) > > Obviously, the lack of Androsterone and Nols would explain this pretty well. But I think its something more. I think I’m more of a light hearted kinda guy, this mix is far more serious and moody, didnt really meld well with my personality at all, whereas the Ammo/A314 combo did. > > I think this mix well for guys who tend to be the lone wolf. Not something I’ll be using again for a while, I think I’ll just save the Turn Up The Heat for times when I go clubbing. > > Rattle > > PS. Not the greatest report in the world I know, but I’m still hung over as I type this. I had an experience a couple of days ago with A314 x2 drops and Turn Up The Heat x2 sprays covered with Musc Ravageur that I thought shed some light on the issue of congruence for me in an interesting way. I was invited around to my date’s house for drinks. On previous occasions of when I’d met up with her at her house I had been wearing A314 x2 drops, Ammo x2 sprays and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (x2) x2 sprays with no suggestion of any negative reaction to the -none. On this occasion, shortly after I got there and sat on the sofa with her I noted that her body language became closed, she took her legs which were across mine away from me and had her arms wrapped around her defensively. What I did was to try and counteract the sexually aggressive message of the Turn Up The Heat & cover scent. I did this by going to the toilet and when I returned sitting much further away from her on the sofa, leaning markedly away from her and paying more attention to the film that was running in the background than I had before. The idea was to send out a message that actually I wasn’t really interested in sex at all (of course, I was). Within a few minutes I noticed her body language change in a positive way, she moved towards me, leaned in and put her legs up on the sofa so that they were touching me and then on my legs. It all went well from there. It got me thinking that maybe you could balance out the vibe from -none simply by acting incongruent with it. So with women you could act disinterested in sex with them (you could even camp it up) and with men you could act very friendly and unthreatening and in that way get the positives without the negatives. Btw I am not a lone wolf type although I can appear stand-offish - until I start talking at which point it’s usually clear that I am in fact very approachable. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![goodtimecharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@goodtimecharlie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/goodtimecharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 10:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-turn-up-the-heat-in-place-of-ammo-on-a-bar-date-reasonable-effects/10808/10 "2008-04-17T10:16:06Z")
> [@Rattlesnake](#): > > Thats an interesting point, however, have you ever felt a lack in congruence? Lone wolf persona giving off happy vibes? Never. Not once. Its generally either read as being anti-social or possessing a lack of social skills. A314, in my mind, would add an authority vibe, which would likely creep people out or, at least, cause voluntary avoidance. It certainly would not aid in meeting ladies, unless they have an “I miss my daddy, who was a wandering ronin” complex.:o Social phero premixes do wonders for scaling that wall, both with self-effects and with how it affects others. In my case, much preferred.