# A314+IO vs. IH **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 14, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327 "2011-03-14T03:06:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cogdirect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@cogdirect](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cogdirect)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/1 "2011-03-14T03:06:06Z")
I’ve been using the combo of A314 (2 drops) and IO (2 sprays) and I’ve been getting the respect from A314 with the flowing conversation of IO, but in conjunction this combo seems to also add in the effects of IH. When I’ve worn this combo around one of my guy friends he couldn’t stop telling me private things that I could very easily get him in trouble for. Most notably he told me he flirts and crushes on a girl at work…while I’m primarely his girlfriend’s friend not his and while I haven’t burned him yet I could logically do so. To elaborate, this is a very private and quiet guy who thinks out his words carefully and is extremely intelligent. These admissions have proven that mones work to me. Back to the topic, I wonder what psychological processes [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) takes advantage of to produce its results. What leads to honesty? Is it not familiarity, respect, and openness? Maybe when you already know your target decently well wearing IH with A314 and IO is just redundant. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/2 "2011-03-14T03:13:48Z")
> [@maxedw1z4](#): > > I’ve been using the combo of A314 (2 drops) and IO (2 sprays) and I’ve been getting the respect from A314 with the flowing conversation of IO, but in conjunction this combo seems to also add in the effects of IH. > > When I’ve worn this combo around one of my guy friends he couldn’t stop telling me private things that I could very easily get him in trouble for. Most notably he told me he flirts and crushes on a girl at work…while I’m primarely his girlfriend’s friend not his and while I haven’t burned him yet I could logically do so. To elaborate, this is a very private and quiet guy who thinks out his words carefully and is extremely intelligent. These admissions have proven that mones work to me. > > Back to the topic, I wonder what psychological processes Instant Honesty takes advantage of to produce its results. What leads to honesty? Is it not familiarity, respect, and openness? > > Maybe when you already know your target decently well wearing IH with A314 and IO is just redundant. Could you elaborate what your actual question is? What leads to the Honesty? Most of the time [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) will facilitate “Deeper” conversations and not necessarily truth serum effect for the most part. I’ve experienced it myself with women and revealed more details in the earlier part of interactions than I normally would have. Granted I was also in a state of slight intoxication which probably facilitated the effects quicker. However because you are guys, he figures he can probably tell you about this well since, most guys do flirt with other women. You burning him by telling his gf would probably also not be advisable since that’s just a pot you don’t want to stir unless something really serious is going on. ---
**Author:** ![cogdirect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@cogdirect](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cogdirect)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/3 "2011-03-14T03:22:58Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Could you elaborate what your actual question is? > > What leads to the Honesty? > > Most of the time Instant Honesty will facilitate “Deeper” conversations and not necessarily truth serum effect for the most part. I’ve experienced it myself with women and revealed more details in the earlier part of interactions than I normally would have. Granted I was also in a state of slight intoxication which probably facilitated the effects quicker. However because you are guys, he figures he can probably tell you about this well since, most guys do flirt with other women. You burning him by telling his gf would probably also not be advisable since that’s just a pot you don’t want to stir unless something really serious is going on. I’m definitely not going to burn him but I’ve known him for a long time and he wouldn’t even think to risk it normally so I do feel something with the mones pushed him. We never open up like that. I’m his girlfriend’s best friend it’s just too risky on his end. I guess what I’m trying to figure out is if it makes any sense to combo A314+IO+IH. I could try it but given how extensive the hits were with A314+IO I don’t know what I would possibly associate with the IH. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/4 "2011-03-14T03:53:13Z")
IO and IH are reverse rations of Alpha nol to beta nol. You add them together at the same sprays and you get half and half (a mutant version of CTTM2) ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/5 "2011-03-14T05:53:51Z")
I’ve theorized that Beta Androstenol may be linked to Oxytocin, either the presence of Oxy helps to stimulate production of Bnol, or the reception of Bnol stimulates the release of Oxy or some combination of the two. As my experiences with IH seem to come very close to the effects advertised for Liquid Trust. I’m not a scientific genius like MHarris or JVKohl so I have no idea if this is even plausible. For all I know I could be WAY off but the effects of the product make me think the relationship is there. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 7:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/6 "2011-03-14T07:41:23Z")
A314 + IO is a bunch of serious daddy talkin nonsense ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 9:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/7 "2011-03-14T09:34:10Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I’ve theorized that Beta Androstenol may be linked to Oxytocin, either the presence of Oxy helps to stimulate production of Bnol, or the reception of Bnol stimulates the release of Oxy or some combination of the two. As my experiences with IH seem to come very close to the effects advertised for Liquid Trust. I’m not a scientific genius like MHarris or JVKohl so I have no idea if this is even plausible. For all I know I could be WAY off but the effects of the product make me think the relationship is there. Now that’s interesting. Makes me wanna get some IH even sooner 🙂 I’ve had some good results with LT, so hopefully I’ll be able to relate it somehow. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/8 "2011-03-14T18:06:08Z")
> [@Marihino](#): > > Now that’s interesting. Makes me wanna get some IH even sooner 🙂 > I’ve had some good results with LT, so hopefully I’ll be able to relate it somehow. IH is a lot better in terms of deeper comminication, I personally prefer that/bnol to IO in most of my uses. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/9 "2011-03-14T19:30:55Z")
Yeah I vastly prefer IH over IO unless its for a work purpose where chatting is necessary. IO makes a bunch on nonsense chatter to me…blah blah blah..yap yap yap. I don’t care for that type of talk, So my bottle is just sitting there…I guess I might use it sometime but for now I run thru IH bottles like a yoga teacher runs thru water. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/10 "2011-03-15T03:28:05Z")
I’ve also found that the “lighter” vibe of IO can diminish the alpha vibe of A314 if too much is used. I have not however experienced this with either IH which seems to deepen the trust aspect of A314’s trust and respect vibe…or with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) which seems only to direct the dominance into a more charismatic style of dominance than A314 by itself. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/11 "2011-03-15T10:40:27Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I’ve also found that the “lighter” vibe of IO can diminish the alpha vibe of A314 if too much is used. I have not however experienced this with either IH which seems to deepen the trust aspect of A314’s trust and respect vibe…or with Instant Shine which seems only to direct the dominance into a more charismatic style of dominance than A314 by itself. Yes - I find A314/IH to be far better/more suited to each other than A314/IO. > [@happytappin](#): > > A314 + IO is a bunch of serious daddy talkin nonsense I’ve been doing a fair bit with A314/P114 recently - and that seems to elict really happy conversational responses without any weakening of the A314 vibe - “hanging on my every word and loving it!” is IMO the best way to describe it. 🙂 I have also tried A314/IH/P114 a few times recently and that seems very promising - Going to write that up in the A314 forum soon. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kevindill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kevindill/32/1429_2.png) [@kevindill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kevindill)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/12 "2011-03-15T19:10:32Z")
For work or professional setting A314 and IH are better. In a social setting I like adding both IH and IO to A314, one spray each with 2 drops. It smoothes out it out and seems to add a fair dose of attraction. ---
**Author:** ![cogdirect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@cogdirect](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cogdirect)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/13 "2011-03-15T19:30:40Z")
> [@kevindill](#): > > For work or professional setting A314 and IH are better. In a social setting I like adding both IH and IO to A314, one spray each with 2 drops. It smoothes out it out and seems to add a fair dose of attraction. What kind of hits do you get with the A314+IH at work as opposed to the A314+IO+IH in public? Are you saying the IO opens the door to attraction? ---
**Author:** ![kevindill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kevindill/32/1429_2.png) [@kevindill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kevindill)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/14 "2011-03-15T20:18:46Z")
A314 + IH at work is strictly business. There really aren’t any hits as such. I’m a supervisor, this combo makes communication short, sweet, and to the point. It also helps expose hidden agendas, as people tend to tell the truth even when they don’t mean too. Adding IO to the mix completely changes the vibe. People want to carry on a conversation. Women become flirty. Space reduces, and folks relax around me. I’m not trying to be a PUA, so I don’t really go looking for “hits” socially. Its more of an opener to see what happens next. ---
**Author:** ![cogdirect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@cogdirect](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cogdirect)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/15 "2011-03-16T02:03:30Z")
> [@kevindill](#): > > A314 + IH at work is strictly business. There really aren’t any hits as such. I’m a supervisor, this combo makes communication short, sweet, and to the point. It also helps expose hidden agendas, as people tend to tell the truth even when they don’t mean too. Adding IO to the mix completely changes the vibe. People want to carry on a conversation. Women become flirty. Space reduces, and folks relax around me. I’m not trying to be a PUA, so I don’t really go looking for “hits” socially. Its more of an opener to see what happens next. I’ve been using the word “hits” loosely to mean any state that is likely produced by mones. I’ll try to use the IH next time I’m in a professional setting…IO didn’t do much for me possibly because the environmental limitations on relaxation. ---
**Author:** ![kevindill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kevindill/32/1429_2.png) [@kevindill](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kevindill)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/16 "2011-03-16T15:49:28Z")
> [@maxedw1z4](#): > > I’ve been using the word “hits” loosely to mean any state that is likely produced by mones. I’ll try to use the IH next time I’m in a professional setting…IO didn’t do much for me possibly because the environmental limitations on relaxation. At this point I really don’t think in terms of hits. Its just the way things are, as I wear -mones most everyday. Even on days where i might not where any, people still reeact the same, as they have become conditioned, as it were, to react to me a certain way. So from my perspective at this this point its more of a before vs after, then individual incidents. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-io-vs-ih/49327/17 "2011-03-16T19:45:25Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I’ve also found that the “lighter” vibe of IO can diminish the alpha vibe of A314 if too much is used. I have not however experienced this with either IH which seems to deepen the trust aspect of A314’s trust and respect vibe…or with Instant Shine which seems only to direct the dominance into a more charismatic style of dominance than A314 by itself. RADMAN is right about IO diminishing the effects of the A314 ALPHA vibe. If you read the combo section of the A314 marketing it says exactly that. > [@](#): > > **Combination’s & Modifications: How to tailor your effects** > > Just like a tailored suit is always superior to “one size fits all”, the same thing is true with pheromones. > > You can mix n’ match most of the social effects offered by products here to get just what you want, appropriate to your own natural body chemistry. > > Use the following suggestions as starting points. When starting to make your own mixes, always start on the low end and work your way up, as necessary. These products are powerful, and sometimes too much doesn’t work nearly as well as “just enough”. > > To lighten the tone of A314 and make it “friendlier” and “more fun”, use with 1-4 sprays of Instant Openness to each drop of A314. > > To deepen the A314 effect to make people feel like they’ve known you a long time and to encourage them to “tell you everything”, use with 1-5 sprays of Instant Honesty. > > To add a sexual spark to A314 and make the effect more dominant and physical, use with 1-4 sprays of Turn Up The Heat. This is a great nighttime combination. Larger doses (more than 1 or 2 sprays) of Turn Up the Heat may not be appropriate for daytime use. > > To make everyone feel greater comfort around you, use with Instant Openness. Please note that this may reduce the positive mood & leadership effects A314 has on other men. Now this could be that 2 drops is a little bit to much if you feel inclined to use IO with it. You may want to cut it down to only one drop. The whole idea is to get comfortable with what works for you. As far as the friend telling you this stuff, I wouldn’t think to much into it. He believes he can trust you and that is from the A314. In most situations when a guy tells the girl (who he is not dating) that her BF might be cheating the only one that is left out in the cold is going to be you. I know you said you wouldn’t but you have thought about it, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting about it. Believe me it won’t go over very good and you will look like a tool for trying to break up their happiness. After all you want to sleep with her, but he already is. 🙂 It never works out right in the end, because love is blind and friendships are usually the ones that suffer the most. Sound’s like you already know this though.