# A314, P83, IS, IG first mixing

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [October 18, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-p83-is-ig-first-mixing/33391 "2009-10-18T07:04:17Z")\
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**Author:** ![stevios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@stevios](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stevios)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-p83-is-ig-first-mixing/33391/1 "2009-10-18T07:04:17Z")

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Hi all

Having done some testing of singles I’ve been doing a bit more mixing to see what effects I get.

Here’s a brief summary, without going into too much boring detail!:

**IS 2x To Go, 1 spray chest, 1 spray front of neck** : I went to a meeting with a female client and the conversation flowed well. Not necessarily anything to do with IS but it gave me a bit of confidence I think.

On the way to the next meeting I did **1 spray of IG to neck To Go size** , this was about 2 hours later. In this meeting I got what I would consider some mild flirting from one of the ladies and others of both genders were very deferential, not in a submissive way, but a respect way. The biggest difference I found was the self-effect, in that I would give an opinion straight off without really taking my normal time to think about it and talk myself out of speaking.

An hour after this meeting (4 hours after IS application, 2 hours after IG application) I met a female friend in a bar applying **1x P83 25mcg** to the chest first. I have a close, but entirely platonic relationship with this friend (and we both want it that way - we’ve admitted we liked each other more at first but that was a long time ago and now she is just a great friend).

This is my issue with IG though. She was very very distant. I’m not saying it’s entirely down to the IG but it is consistent for me. Everytime I use it those who don’t know me respond positively, those who do know me distance themselves. It seems to kill my rapport with my friends. I tried some **IO 2x and IH 2x To Go sizes** one spray each wrist during the night but these changed nothing.

For me it seems IG is something I can only use if I have nothing social planned for the rest of the day. Hard to fully describe the change in reactions from friends to an IG night and a non-IG night but they avoid eye contact, and the flow of conversation is very broken. Mixed with the IS I had probably my most blatant “stranger flirting” yet though…

…until the next day!

Lunchtime meeting:

**A314 2 drops, 1 on each side of neck and 1 on wrists rubbed together**  
**IS 2x To Go 1 spray to chest**

All round positive reactions in the office and great reactions from the meeting from everyone except my boss who seemed a bit aggravated generally. No blatant hits but just that feeling that people are responding to you well. When everyone had left and it was just me and him he made some very uncharacteristic comments about how his wife had commented recently on his “bulk” etc.

After that meeting I put 1 more spray of **IS 2x To Go** to the front of my neck and the positive reactions from people continued, my bosses assistant laughing a lot at anything I said.

One hour later I put 1 spray of **P83 25mcg** to the side of my neck and met with a large group of friends and colleagues at a bar. Exposure range for this description is all within 6 feet.

First big thing was the girl from the night before. Normally if we go out in a large group we chat but generally spend most of the time with other people and it’s not until the end of the night that we are chatting together in depth or excluding others. This night, right from the start she was at my side. If I joined a different conversational circle she would join it too, always standing next to me. It seemed quite pronounced to me.

She had to go after a couple of hours by which time another lady who I know fairly well at work but not at all socially had seemed to latch on to me. Exactly the same behaviour, if I joined a group so would she, if I went to the bar she came with me and so on.

Now the big one: a girl nothing to do with our group but who, from where we are standing, must have walked by a couple of times, cut through the crowd and grabbed my arm and hung off me. Literally. She was very drunk and while she could hold a conversation she spoke nonsense. And wouldn’t let go of my arm. I got amused / surprised reactions from a couple of my friends because I just couldn’t shake this girl off. Eventually one of her friends came to get her.

I don’t know what she was thinking but I didn’t get the feeling it was sexual hit, more of a “look after me” one. This is the sense I get from P83 in my limited experience so far. Maybe it’s a self-effect but I get vibes that I’m the big brother rather than the target alpha male if that makes sense. The other two women who stood close, when they left, gave me big squeeze hugs that were in that vein too, the “protector” vibe as opposed to the “take me home” vibe.

Being in a LTR that’s not a problem for me at all. I actually like it. Sexual hits aren’t why I got into this site at all and I’d find them a bit awkward if they were that strong 🙂

**Summary:** I’ve read a couple of posts saying P83 can amplify other [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). I’m going to go along with that - the IG reaction was the same as I’ve had before but this girl, of all people, had the worst. Meanwhile if A314 is the trust and respect pheromone P83 seemed to amplify that and give it a “protector” vibe but in a way that made it touchy-feely for women.

I’m wondering what toys to get next now…Meo-est or something looks like it could be fun with P83.

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**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-p83-is-ig-first-mixing/33391/2 "2009-10-18T22:10:49Z")

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> [@stevios](#):
>
> Hi all
> 
> Having done some testing of singles I’ve been doing a bit more mixing to see what effects I get.
> 
> Here’s a brief summary, without going into too much boring detail!:
> 
> **IS 2x To Go, 1 spray chest, 1 spray front of neck** : I went to a meeting with a female client and the conversation flowed well. Not necessarily anything to do with IS but it gave me a bit of confidence I think.
> 
> On the way to the next meeting I did **1 spray of IG to neck To Go size** , this was about 2 hours later. In this meeting I got what I would consider some mild flirting from one of the ladies and others of both genders were very deferential, not in a submissive way, but a respect way. The biggest difference I found was the self-effect, in that I would give an opinion straight off without really taking my normal time to think about it and talk myself out of speaking.
> 
> An hour after this meeting (4 hours after IS application, 2 hours after IG application) I met a female friend in a bar applying **1x P83 25mcg** to the chest first. I have a close, but entirely platonic relationship with this friend (and we both want it that way - we’ve admitted we liked each other more at first but that was a long time ago and now she is just a great friend).
> 
> This is my issue with IG though. She was very very distant. I’m not saying it’s entirely down to the IG but it is consistent for me. Everytime I use it those who don’t know me respond positively, those who do know me distance themselves. It seems to kill my rapport with my friends. I tried some **IO 2x and IH 2x To Go sizes** one spray each wrist during the night but these changed nothing.
> 
> For me it seems IG is something I can only use if I have nothing social planned for the rest of the day. Hard to fully describe the change in reactions from friends to an IG night and a non-IG night but they avoid eye contact, and the flow of conversation is very broken. Mixed with the IS I had probably my most blatant “stranger flirting” yet though…
> 
> …until the next day!
> 
> Lunchtime meeting:
> 
> **A314 2 drops, 1 on each side of neck and 1 on wrists rubbed together**  
> **IS 2x To Go 1 spray to chest**
> 
> All round positive reactions in the office and great reactions from the meeting from everyone except my boss who seemed a bit aggravated generally. No blatant hits but just that feeling that people are responding to you well. When everyone had left and it was just me and him he made some very uncharacteristic comments about how his wife had commented recently on his “bulk” etc.
> 
> After that meeting I put 1 more spray of **IS 2x To Go** to the front of my neck and the positive reactions from people continued, my bosses assistant laughing a lot at anything I said.
> 
> One hour later I put 1 spray of **P83 25mcg** to the side of my neck and met with a large group of friends and colleagues at a bar. Exposure range for this description is all within 6 feet.
> 
> First big thing was the girl from the night before. Normally if we go out in a large group we chat but generally spend most of the time with other people and it’s not until the end of the night that we are chatting together in depth or excluding others. This night, right from the start she was at my side. If I joined a different conversational circle she would join it too, always standing next to me. It seemed quite pronounced to me.
> 
> She had to go after a couple of hours by which time another lady who I know fairly well at work but not at all socially had seemed to latch on to me. Exactly the same behaviour, if I joined a group so would she, if I went to the bar she came with me and so on.
> 
> Now the big one: a girl nothing to do with our group but who, from where we are standing, must have walked by a couple of times, cut through the crowd and grabbed my arm and hung off me. Literally. She was very drunk and while she could hold a conversation she spoke nonsense. And wouldn’t let go of my arm. I got amused / surprised reactions from a couple of my friends because I just couldn’t shake this girl off. Eventually one of her friends came to get her.
> 
> I don’t know what she was thinking but I didn’t get the feeling it was sexual hit, more of a “look after me” one. This is the sense I get from P83 in my limited experience so far. Maybe it’s a self-effect but I get vibes that I’m the big brother rather than the target alpha male if that makes sense. The other two women who stood close, when they left, gave me big squeeze hugs that were in that vein too, the “protector” vibe as opposed to the “take me home” vibe.
> 
> Being in a LTR that’s not a problem for me at all. I actually like it. Sexual hits aren’t why I got into this site at all and I’d find them a bit awkward if they were that strong 🙂
> 
> **Summary:** I’ve read a couple of posts saying P83 can amplify other pheromones. I’m going to go along with that - the IG reaction was the same as I’ve had before but this girl, of all people, had the worst. Meanwhile if A314 is the trust and respect pheromone P83 seemed to amplify that and give it a “protector” vibe but in a way that made it touchy-feely for women.
> 
> I’m wondering what toys to get next now…Meo-est or something looks like it could be fun with P83.

BRILLIANT!!!🆒

Very nice report, I’ve actually been waiting for more reports on [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with A314 since that’s the combo I usually use.

I can say that the results you experienced with the “protector” vibe are a little similar to mine in that my target didn’t want me to leave her but she also wanted me to come with her to her house so…ya 🙄.

Regardless of that, great job!

I’m also thinking about using A314,Meo-EST, and TUTH in a mix this week so I’ll let you know how that goes.

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**Author:** ![putativematrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c0e974/32.png) [@putativematrix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/putativematrix)\
**Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-p83-is-ig-first-mixing/33391/3 "2010-01-07T13:29:42Z")

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[quote=“K-Train, post:2, topic:33391”]

BRILLIANT!!!🆒

Very nice report, I’ve actually been waiting for more reports on P83 with A314 since that’s the combo I usually use.

K-Train,

What is the ratio of A314:P83 you usually use. I can’t get P83 to do ANYTHING for me. Advice PLEASE!

Thanks,

PutativeMatrix