# A314 Rev.32 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 5, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064 "2014-02-05T20:01:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/1 "2014-02-05T20:01:28Z")
Since I got my bottle of A314 Rev.32 a few weeks ago, I’ve been comparing it against A314 Rev.23. I’ve been using work as my testing environment. Day 1. 1 drop of A314 Rev.23 Day 2. Day off Day 3. 1 drop of A314 Rev.32 Day 4. Day off Day 5. 2 drop of A314 Rev.23 Day 6. Day off Day 5. 2 drop of A314 Rev.32 I can honestly say there is no perceptible difference between the two revisions. The reactions I get are almost identical. 1 drop of 23 feels like 1 drop of 32; 2 drops of 23 feels like 2 drops of 32. There is a slight, ever so slight, difference in scent, but that’s about it. So, at work, before I started wearing A314, I wore straight rone. About 20-30mcg usually. I’ve only been at this company for a couple of months and I’m a contractor. I was, therefore, a little dubious of turning up one day wearing an overt status product. There are many in the company above me, most are older than me, nearly all have far more experience, and a handful are naturally more Alpha to begin with. I took a deep breath and applied 1 drop of revision 23. Day 1. was by far the most extreme. The respect hits were off the chart. Everyone I met let me know they respected me by either apologising to me or complimenting me. Quite a lot of them seemed pretty scared. Since then, though, and since I’ve continued to demonstrated I’m the same guy - open, humourous, relaxed - people are far more comfortable around me. Now, each day, I receive a steady trickle of compliments, compliance, the odd respect hit, the odd _blatant_ respect hit, etc. Standard A314. The impression I’ve been creating is very favourable, and I can sense there is something profound going on in peoples minds, although I can’t quite grasp _what_ . Today, for example, I wore two drops of Rev.32. ‘Sorry WildFlower, I didn’t notice you there. Sorry about that,’ my boss said. His voice was about two octaves higher than it typically is, and was full of little apologetic squeals. He said it as if I’d been stood waiting for his attention for ages, when in fact I’d only just finished approaching him. Furthermore, he knew I’d only just approached him. A little later, I opened the canteen door, which happened to lightly hit a work colleague that was stood in its way. ‘Sorry,’ I said. ‘Sorry. That was my fault, WildFlower,’ the guy, twice my age, appologised to me. These are the respect hits I’m seeing, and I’m seeing them on my off days too. I’ve also noticed that one of the girls at work - a 21 year old - has developed what looks to me like the beginning of a crush. She keeps staring at me gooey eyed. These are the things I observe, but I can’t put my finger on what these people are feeling internally when they’re around me. Anyway, I’m more interested in using A314 romantically, rather than for purely respect in corporate environments. In the past, I’ve relied heavily on [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + socials for dating; Ammo has been at the heart of nearly every attraction mix I’ve used in the past. But Ammo seems to plateau. It sparks interest, but after 3 or 4 meetings, it’s taken that interest as far as it can. It’s a linear product, not a cumulative one. A314, then, seems to be the ideal product to replace Ammo in my mixes. I’m also finding that A314 really suits my personality. It seems to emphasise my quiet and mysterious vibe, which is the vibe girls who’ve fallen for me have told me they love. At the moment, around one particular girl, I’m wearing a fallout mix that includes A314. And so far things are going great. I’m seeing IOI’s and signs of attraction. But I’m still a relative newb with A314 in this environment and I feel I could use some guidance. So, a question for guys who’ve used A314 around their wives, girlfriends or dates, what impression - psychologically - do you find A314 makes? What’s going on in their heads when they’re around you? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/2 "2014-02-05T20:24:27Z")
Which fallout mix are you using? Sometimes tuning that or after enough exposure to the initial mix, transitioning to a more romantic or sexual mix can tip things over nicely. Also, how long have you been wearing it around her? Again, time and repeated exposure/withdrawal is critical with fallout - It does not happen quickly and in some ways, the longer it takes to hit-home the better, esp around a quality woman. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/3 "2014-02-05T20:51:23Z")
Thanks for the reply, Mobo. > [@](#): > > Which fallout mix are you using? Sometimes tuning that or after enough exposure to the initial mix, transitioning to a more romantic or sexual mix can tip things over nicely. I’m wearing: 2 drops of A314 20mcg of p74 20mcg of p96 3 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (1-2 sprays of Turn up the Heat as an optional addition) > [@](#): > > Also, how long have you been wearing it around her? Again, time and repeated exposure/withdrawal is critical with fallout - It does not happen quickly and in some ways, the longer it takes to hit-home the better, esp around a quality woman. I’ve worn it around her 4 times now. I see her once weekly. All 4 times I’ve met her wearing A314 have been since the new year. I’ve known her since mid November, and prior to starting the fallout mix I wore: 3 sprays of Ammo 30mcg of p83 4 sprays of Instant Honesty 3 sprays of Instant shine. One week I wore the aforementioned Ammo mix with 20mcg p96 and the hits went through the roof. I was also finding that p83 made her a little apprehensive. I needed a new mix, a new approach, so I dropped the anone and p83 and went from A314 and p96 instead. She definitely seems to prefer my new mix, but whilst I had a clear idea of what to expect from Ammo (youthful, vibrant attraction) I’m not quite sure what the A314 will be making her - or anyone else for that matter - feel. I’m now at the stage were I’m re-adding the anone. As well as the fallout mix, I wore a spray and a half of Turn up the Heat around her last time, and she seemed to respond really well. I’m a little concerned about adding anone though, having seen this post by Mharris on anone and its effects on fallout: > [@](#): > > The Extra androstenone edition includes 50% more androstenone . I probably wouldn’t use this edition myself, since I feel that it breaks with the particular projected image that I enjoy. > > However, some men use A314 for attraction purposes, and this should work well in this regard. It will certainly reduce the “fatherly” feeling of A314 a bit, but at the same time make a bit more more useful for “playing the field” without as much subsequent fallout. > > I’ll explain “fallout” in more detail: women tend to want typical A314 users all for themselves. It’s truly a “this is my man” type of mix, when used for attraction. A314 can attract some amazing women to you, normally out of reach women – no doubt – but it comes with a price normally. That price is often ownership of your soul. (I jest by exaggerating a bit, but… with some women.. who knows!) > > On the other hand, androstenone tends to strongly communicate the type of man who’s good for sperm, and little else. The genetic “wildcard” that fulfill innate biological needs for perquisite variety, and nothing else. The kind of men they’d invite to bed while they ovulate, but not to breakfast the next day. “Get out of my bed, you stinky pig!” More generally, I can see the outward effects of A314 - some are obvious, some are subtle - but I have a bit of a blind spot intuiting what those around me are thinking and feeling internally. It’s less obvious than it is with other pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/4 "2014-02-06T05:37:15Z")
Great testing Wildflower. I have done similar alternating day tests with A314 rev 29 and 32 and have found there to be negligible difference. I’m an A314 addict and have be on it for more than 6 years almost everyday. I did when I was down to my last bottle of rev 29 I ordered 1 rev 31 . That was a different and negative beast both in mental forgetfulness on myself and ruining a few important work relationships. I know this since using A314 almost everyday for so long . I loaded up on a few years supply of rev 32 just in case. With both our tests concluding similarity I highly recommend rev 32 A314 as a solid buy. booyah! ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/5 "2014-02-06T17:52:23Z")
> [@fishdude](#): > > Great testing Wildflower. I have done similar alternating day tests with A314 rev 29 and 32 and have found there to be negligible difference. I’m an A314 addict and have be on it for more than 6 years almost everyday. I did when I was down to my last bottle of rev 29 I ordered 1 rev 31 . That was a different and negative beast both in mental forgetfulness on myself and ruining a few important work relationships. I know this since using A314 almost everyday for so long . > > I loaded up on a few years supply of rev 32 just in case. With both our tests concluding similarity I highly recommend rev 32 A314 as a solid buy. booyah! 6 years, almost every day is a testament to A314. You must really love it. Is it just in work environments where you wear it? Or do you also wear it romantically? If so, what impression do you think A314 makes? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/6 "2014-02-06T18:11:42Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > I’m wearing > > 2 drops of A314 > 20mcg of p74 > 20mcg of p96 > 3 sprays of Instant Honesty > (1-2 sprays of Turn up the Heat as an optional addition) > > I’ve worn it around her 4 times now. I see her once weekly. All 4 times I’ve met her wearing A314 have been since the new year. I’ve known her since mid November, and prior to starting the fallout mix I wore: > > 3 sprays of Ammo > 30mcg of p83 > 4 sprays of Instant Honesty > 3 sprays of Instant shine. Another thing, how old is she? Younger ones are more fickle with A314 and fallout mixes, for a whole lot of reasons - not only their incompatibility with a mature rone-sig but often because their desire for a fun and fancy-free life fails to gel properly with the developing fallout for just one man. In this case, A314-free fallout mixes might be better and you are hitting one with the IH/IS combo in your latter mix, although I’d back-off the Ammo a bit due to the alphanol - IH/P74 is the other good one. Otherwise, your first mix is an excellent one - I’ve used it for a long time in place of A1 and have umpteen developed fallouts going in and out of my life. 4 exposures is still a bit low for it - in fact its the level where I might expect to see **just the first** hints of development and I’d look to keep exposing her a lot more. My current principal fallout was exposed to this for over six months, before I switched to an A314/A1 mix around her and that tipped her into more actively romantic behaviour. I’m a little further down the line with P96 in this now and whilst I still can’t say it has a lot by way of fallout properties by itself, I do feel it brings a new level of joy to an otherwise potentially serious/stolid fallout mix - I’ve been seeing so much more happiness and pleasure from women exposed to it recently and this has also been reflected in them being much more forward, more quickly around me. So stick with it! 🙂 TUTH/none in a fallout mix - yes, fickle but at the right time, in the right situation, it will help it hit harder but that tends to be in more relaxed times, not work itself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/7 "2014-02-06T18:22:27Z")
I do use A314 for my romantic encounters but just 1 drop. Also, there remains some on my chin and neck even after I shower before going out after work. It still hits and I’ll add whatever is required for the evening. I apply to my face after I shave and it gets shaven off again every morning so no buildup. It really adds value to yourself, like your wearing a nice suit. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/8 "2014-02-06T19:03:47Z")
Yes, for us 40+ guys, A314 does lend itself to romantic/sexual mixes much better than for younger men. Although once a women are well into their 20s, there is a far greater elasticity in what might make for a good romantic/sexual mix. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/9 "2014-02-06T19:46:00Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Another thing, how old is she? > > Younger ones are more fickle with A314 and fallout mixes, for a whole lot of reasons - not only their incompatibility with a mature rone-sig but often because their desire for a fun and fancy-free life fails to gel properly with the developing fallout for just one man. In this case, A314-free fallout mixes might be better and you are hitting one with the IH/IS combo in your latter mix, although I’d back-off the Ammo a bit due to the alphanol - IH/P74 is the other good one. > > Otherwise, your first mix is an excellent one - I’ve used it for a long time in place of A1 and have umpteen developed fallouts going in and out of my life. > > 4 exposures is still a bit low for it - in fact its the level where I might expect to see **just the first** hints of development and I’d look to keep exposing her a lot more. My current principal fallout was exposed to this for over six months, before I switched to an A314/A1 mix around her and that tipped her into more actively romantic behaviour. > > I’m a little further down the line with P96 in this now and whilst I still can’t say it has a lot by way of fallout properties by itself, I do feel it brings a new level of joy to an otherwise potentially serious/stolid fallout mix - I’ve been seeing so much more happiness and pleasure from women exposed to it recently and this has also been reflected in them being much more forward, more quickly around me. So stick with it! 🙂 > > TUTH/none in a fallout mix - yes, fickle but at the right time, in the right situation, it will help it hit harder but that tends to be in more relaxed times, not work itself. 🙂 Thanks for the reply, Mobo. It’s really insightful. I will stick with the following mix for now: 2 drops of A314 20mcg of p74 20mcg of p96 3 sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (1-2 sprays of turn up the heat every other meeting) The girl is 21 and I’m 25. She’s really mature for her age: a homeowner, completely dedicated to her studies, a real hard worker, etc. I think she gets it from her dad, who runs a really successful business. She shows no signs of wanting a fun and fancy-free life. Another girl (not one I’m interested in other than as a work friend) seems to be developing a real crush from me. And that is from wearing 1-2 drops of A314 solo at work. She is 21 also, and, for the record, has a boyfriend. I will keep things strictly professional between us, but it is interesting to observe the love-dubey style attraction that I’m starting to notice from consistent A314 use. So I know that A314 - even unbuffered - is good around girls my age and a few years younger. Back to the fallout girl. It’s been 4 exposures now, and as early as the second time I noticed that something was going on. The last time I saw her, it was obvious to me that that something has grown and gathered momentum. She definitely loves the p96, and she’s responding to the A314 better than she ever did to the Ammo. And on p96, I agree with you in thinking that it’s positive and joyous. It’s not a butterflies in the stomach, kettle ready to pop, kind of joy like Instant Shine is; it’s a more mellow kind of joy. Smiles, happiness, rapport. I don’t know if it’s good for fallout in and of itself, but I do find it really romantic. What is it about p74 that you think helps with fallout? And, for that matter, what is it about A314 that creates the fallout? Simply the awe it creates? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/10 "2014-02-08T17:37:28Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Simply the awe it creates? I don’t know. I’ve been hoping to get P79, 96 and some more items to test this more, if they will get in stock simultaneously. Maybe this month? My best guess, from personal testing, a very comprehensive review of reports from 2006: The steering mone in IH plays a big role. It’s probably also in A314 and in small amounts. So using 4X IH gives you a good dose of it. I’m 50/50 on TAF. So, anything potent in small doses needs examining. I kinda think just IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or P74 alone does it, but the steering is maybe 50% of the potency. So what else besides the aforementioned are candidates for steering. Example: I used TUTH in a mix vs. plain -eNone. The steering in TUTH (P79?) amped the mix up way more than just -eNone. Was Heat, alpha eRone and P83. It was like a supercharged AMMO. What happens with BNOL + 79 or IH + 79? Only a few things are potent for this steering at .5 mcg. I have not really found supplemental TAF to boost fallout per se. If 30 mL 2X IH wasn’t so wallet buggering, I wouldn’t care. But it’s out of reach for daily use for all but the most earnest. What I’d like is a dedicated BF/Fallout spray. I’m competitive. I think I can best what’s out there. Willing to try it as far as a variant on A314 spray. I can’t make it on my own. I could only improve upon the existing concept. Whoever perfects and fully understands fallout right to the exact molecules will be victorious. One then builds his entire game around it. It his primary daily weapon to master to perfection. _Intriguing_. > [@P is for PANTYSOAKER - P79](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p-is-for-pantysoaker-p79/598): > > Hi all, I just picked up some P79 (unscented @ 2.5 mu/spray) and wanted to share some initial impressions. Thanks for the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) sample, btw.smiley I spent Saturday w/ my Primary Partner (bisexual 28 y.o.). She’s been exposed to a variety of mones and mixes, so I can pretty easily gauge her reactions to certain things. I noticed what appeared to be a reaction at only 10 mu. I excused myself and added another 5 mu w/in 2 hours of my initial application. Definite reaction now. As we were sittin… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/11 "2014-02-08T18:48:20Z")
I must say that the best complements for P79 that I’ve found are IO, [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/), P93, IS (in quantity) and other largely social molecules/mixes Otherwise, P79 has been a flaming hand grenade for me when used with more typical fallout combos and sexuals - It seems to amplify the bad just as easily as it does the good, in a a hair-trigger kind of way, so I’ve had really bad agression and agressive/sexual results - to the point where one woman wigged-out on me in bed and left me with three broken ribs, and other responses that were way too far into TMI territory to go anywhere other than “most special friend.” All-in I’ll leave it for full-on party mixes, where the sociable side of things keeps it on-track! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/12 "2014-02-08T19:40:16Z")
True. And most reports are using 10 mcg +. Since the ExperiMones (incl. 79 and 74) are really the backbone of the Instant Line, and since candidates for microdose steering are limited (they need to be potent like TAF), I may indeed add what I’m lacking to give me a full chem set of the Experi Mones. I work at A314 tweaks often. A little -eNone, a little TAK, a little TAF. TAK to me is a major part of the 314 vibe. And -eRone, TAL, TAH, TAK and TAF…another fundamental set of building blocks. Seriously, even coming close to the original 5-molecule formula of 314 or being able to just amplify subtle aspects. 10 mcg of K or F is anything but subtle. More like 1/10th of that. So far, I’m not seeing historic reports about just small amounts. And yet, much of the potency of 314 and I H comes from very small amounts of steering. This is a known constant from which to experiment with other variables. .75 of K is just as potent as 7.5. Not the intuitive result you’d expect, but, biochemically, if you only need to gate an ion channel, when the key is in the lock, brute force is not required. _You merely turn the key_. If 2 mg is an hypnotic dose of alprazolam, 10 mg confers no additional benefit. Unless you want to be in a coma. It’s a question of sufficient dose. Enough and no more. So, yes, I’d say 10 mcg of F, 75, many things are a hand grenade. These two together are perfectly capable of a wicked, splitting headache. Just add alcohol for extra pain. Or just 10 of K and call it Silent Nap Time 314. So, I wouldn’t think hefty doses of 79 and F would work in the formula that MX353 was supposed to be. Frankly, I wouldn’t want so much F. Especially with P102. But, supposedly, that’s what it was. Again, completely opposite of what should work intuitively. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/13 "2014-02-08T19:48:26Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I don’t know. I’ve been hoping to get P79, 96 and some more items to test this more, if they will get in stock simultaneously. Maybe this month? My best guess, from personal testing, a very comprehensive review of reports from 2006: The steering mone in IH plays a big role. It’s probably also in A314 and in small amounts. So using 4X IH gives you a good dose of it. I’m 50/50 on TAF. So, anything potent in small doses needs examining. I kinda think just IH/P74 or P74 alone does it, but the steering is maybe 50% of the potency. So what else besides the aforementioned are candidates for steering. > > Example: I used TUTH in a mix vs. plain -eNone. The steering in TUTH (P79?) amped the mix up way more than just -eNone. Was Heat, alpha eRone and P83. It was like a supercharged AMMO. What happens with BNOL + 79 or IH + 79? Only a few things are potent for this steering at .5 mcg. I have not really found supplemental TAF to boost fallout per se. If 30 mL 2X IH wasn’t so wallet buggering, I wouldn’t care. But it’s out of reach for daily use for all but the most earnest. What I’d like is a dedicated BF/Fallout spray. I’m competitive. I think I can best what’s out there. Willing to try it as far as a variant on A314 spray. I can’t make it on my own. I could only improve upon the existing concept. Whoever perfects and fully understands fallout right to the exact molecules will be victorious. One then builds his entire game around it. It his primary daily weapon to master to perfection. _Intriguing_. > > [P is for PANTYSOAKER - P79](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p-is-for-pantysoaker-p79/598) Great post. I don’t know where to start. I’m with you on pretty much every point. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) is infinitely more than just 70% Bnol, 30% Anol; TUTH is far more potent than straight enone. I don’t think there is any p79 in any of the Instant products, and if there is any in A314 it must be an infinitesimally small amount. The reason I say that is, because, with p79 I get very particular, unmissable hits. Women (and it is mainly women, as p79 seems to be sexual in some way) will stare at me. And stare at me from afar. p79 seems to be very far reaching and very fact acting. Either that, or it effects my behaviour - body language, posture - in some way as to get me noticed from across large, crowded rooms. Literally, when wearing p79, women will stare at me from a good 15 meters away, and stare at me hard. It isn’t deer in the headlight look, but a unblinking fixation. I don’t get those kind of stares from Instant Honesty, A314 or anything else really. Nor do I think p79 is particularly fallouty. I’ve been approached and complimented when wearing p79, but more because the girl wanted a piece of me, so to speak - it’s purely sexual in my mind. I don’t really have much experience with TAF to say what it does, or whether I think it’s in Instant Honesty or A314. It would be great if Androtics put together an all in one fallout mix (preferably oil) that you could put on an forget about. It’d be hugely popular, I should imagine. The mixes we use on a day to day basis are clearly far more intricate than we believe (and have been led to believe) they are. A fallout mix would be the holy-grail: High-value, comforting, crushy, dreamy, ever so slightly sexual. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/14 "2014-02-08T19:51:38Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > True. And most reports are using 10 mcg +. Since the ExperiMones (incl. 79 and 74) are really the backbone of the Instant Line, and since candidates for microdose steering are limited (they need to be potent like TAF), I may indeed add what I’m lacking to give me a full chem set of the Experi Mones. I work at A314 tweaks often. A little -eNone, a little TAK, a little TAF. TAK to me is a major part of the 314 vibe. And -eRone, TAL, TAH, TAK and TAF…another fundamental set of building blocks. Seriously, even coming close to the original 5-molecule formula of 314 or being able to just amplify subtle aspects. 10 mcg of K or F is anything but subtle. More like 1/10th of that. So far, I’m not seeing historic reports about just small amounts. And yet, much of the potency of 314 and I H comes from very small amounts of steering. This is a known constant from which to experiment with other variables. .75 of K is just as potent as 7.5. Not the intuitive result you’d expect, but, biochemically, if you only need to gate an ion channel, when the key is in the lock, brute force is not required. _You merely turn the key_. If 2 mg is an hypnotic dose of alprazolam, 10 mg confers no additional benefit. Unless you want to be in a coma. It’s a question of sufficient dose. Enough and no more. > > So, yes, I’d say 10 mcg of F, 75, many things are a hand grenade. These two together are perfectly capable of a wicked, splitting headache. Just add alcohol for extra pain. Or just 10 of K and call it Silent Nap Time 314. wow, you seem to be well up on your TAK, TAL, TAC, TAF’s. Could you briefly summarise what you think each does? Apart from TAA, the TA range is a complete mystery to me. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/15 "2014-02-08T19:55:26Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > I don’t think there is any p79 in any of the Instant products, TUTH is the only one - Jasmin confirmed it a while back. Which may account for TUTH’s sometimes difficult/fickle nature if used unsteered/unmoderated. Not convinced about it being in A314 at all but its complexity makes it a possibility in a minimal role. ---
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> [@mobocaster](#): > > TUTH is the only one - Jasmin confirmed it a while back. Which may account for TUTH’s sometimes difficult/fickle nature if used unsteered/unmoderated. > > Not convinced about it being in A314 at all but its complexity makes it a possibility in a minimal role. I could see why it would be in Turn up the Heat, but I can’t say I really notice its presence. I should perhaps test p79 out at a low dose and see how it behaves differently to how it does at a larger dose. When I’ve worn it in the past I’ve worn 10-15mcg and got very prominent hits. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/17 "2014-02-08T20:34:38Z")
TAK is one of the most potent allosteric modulators on the planet. 1/2 microgram = .5 mg of alprazolam, I’d say. It’s so potent that the sedative and hypnotic doses are very close. A guy wearing it, P83 and TAL are dead close. Except L is more behavioral inhibition. High doses can make military men cry. TAH is like wearing a pink shirt to a gay pride parade that says “Hug Me.” However, Justin Bieber is hardly the manly man (no matter how he tries to fake it), so H makes a good -eRone buffer. I still need to work with this more. The least I can say about F is that it is exactly the opposite of K. K = (in higher amounts) stop talking. F amplifies nols and such toward more talking, if you get the dose right. Can be very chatty on its own. If you want attention, F and 314 will get it. Good service. TAC is the exact opposite of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/), to the extent one almost blocks the other. But I never played with F and TAC or TAC and K at the same time. I use very small amounts of some. To me, fallout/IH is amenable to testing and exploration. But a 3-molecule mix from 16 to choose from gives you 560 possible combos, ignoring dosing and assuming no skill. Let’s make that 56 and assume skill. This is plausible. But again, doubling that to 30 molecules and a mix of 5, the odds are against you without application of science, methodology and skill. Try cracking a combination luggage lock with three wheels. Try 4. Just spraying and hoping for luck is not enough. And why there are so few truly successful products. Identifying a primary fallout driver should be possible. It is testing that will actually produce results, hopefully with items that don’t have a 3-year restock window. Until the next _recession_ anyway. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/18 "2014-02-08T21:04:16Z")
If you try diluting TUTH to 1/4 strength with [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), you may notice something as the sprays increase. You should see effects at 1/4 spray TUTH. I figure mones in Heat amplify 74 in a way TAF does not. Although the steering of F with 74 is useful. As is 7.5 mcg BNOL with 2.5 each F, ANOL and 74. Try subbing 79 for F. See what happens. The polite mones are always safer to enhance. The experience mixing TUTH with eRone felt much like A314 in some ways. If 79 is in Heat, then, yes, a small amount of 79 would be part of that 314 vibe, with a little -eNone and TAK and maybe TAH and TAF. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/19 "2014-02-10T00:05:59Z")
2.5 or 5mcg P79 is the dose range that is mostly manageable with socials for me - Anything more is too volatile - either way! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-rev-32/61064/20 "2014-02-10T00:55:50Z")
Whatever is in TUTH changed the dynamics of the eRone in ways I cannot explain. 1. In the hundreds and hundreds of fallout posts, BNOL does not come out on top, by itself (or ANOL), but IH does. 2. No aduvant steering molecule currently stocked for individual sale does either. 3. Significant price increases in IH are not accounted for by nols alone. 4. None of the above _really_ matters. However, one of the most valuable steering mones ever made has been under examined. Whatever it may be. Honesty is a useful communication product. But it isn’t an especially useful way to acquire the steering molecule. 5. People often seem to weep, metaphorically, that all worthwhile worlds of testing were conquered years ago. Obviously, they weren’t, or we’d have the answer. 6. “Why not just use IH + 314 and be done?” The 30 mL is crazy expensive. If I’m not free to make my own mixes, testing molecules is pointless and boring. Having used flamethrower levels of -eNone, 314 and P75, I was astounded by the potency of this simple thing. I’m working on decoding the P74/IH thing. About 70% sure. We’ll see. I don’t resign myself to the notion that only 10 people in the world could make good blends. If I did, testing of molecules is pointless. I don’t want to buy the BF Spray sold elsewhere. Hopefully, my tests will aid Androtics make new items. But I cannot make them produce what they don’t want to, despite that this BF is a top seller and major competitor built on testing done right here. I H is good but years old. To maintain **my** interest, we need to mobilize some of this research testing, when it can be done profitably. Honestly, if someone is selling a $30 spray…there’s no reason Androtics can’t do it better. They invented tech. they aren’t properly exploiting. I don’t see an error in the logic here. An important molecule or application has been passed over. Years of prior testing missed it. Most likely, the dose was all wrong or the hits too subtle. Or the whole notion of 314 + I H is merely _delusional_. Whatever was in Heat amplified about 5 mcg of None to a degree not duplicated by 4 drops 314 alone or 30 mcg P75. It wasn’t using much total None and the P83 synergy seems irrelevant. It could be some molecular affinity in the combined mix. I know from prior experience that intermolecular forces re. [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) mixes are almost never discussed. The entire purpose of the experiment was to validate the role of ANOL in AMMO and whether it’s necessary. I felt the 3-Keto hydrogen bond acceptor + 3-Alpha hydroxyl eRone donor would do it, but that P83 might sub for ANOL. In just that sentence, I’m only hinting at the incredible complexity that I scarcely comprehend. Proprietary knowledge is double edged. It protects IH as viable product. But competitors are running with the ball while we’re at a standstill, letting 8 years of reports just go nowhere. If not now, _when_? By whom?