# A314 to IG **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 16, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876 "2009-12-16T11:33:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/1 "2009-12-16T11:33:24Z")
Hey people, I am just wondering if anyone on here has used A314 …and then tried and thought that IG suited them better, and the overall hits seemed more. Because every time I put on the A314 I know that I have to be more of a leader..etc. On dates women are don’t give there opinion on what to do, where to go, even if I don’t really care and just want a break from deciding everything, it kind of gets frustrating. Because of course I do decide what I want to do with them, but I feel it’s nice to just chill, and lay back. Because I am quite a layed back person. But of course this might not be all A314, but in a way I don’t want women thinking I am a certain kind of person with this stuff on, if I am not really…you see? For example I have dated this girl for a few times now, when we first met I was wearing A314 and each time meeting up wearing 2-3 drops of Alpha A314 as well as some IH and IShine. Now on the dates, she is really quiet, and I can’t ‘read’ her what so ever, but it is like I have to do everything… most likely it is the A314. But we did snogg after each date, and the second snogg being the best, more passionate lol. So I was thinking of not wearing any pheromones next time we meet, just to see if things change (I don’t want her to think I am a complete different person though!! lol) And also curious if people have experienced this themselves and then went on to trying [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and found it suited them better? Thank you EDIT Now thinking about it, it does seem like the a314 is making the girl I am dating quiet, only taking my lead, not voicing here opinion..etc. It makes sense if I come across as a leader, alpha, the big boss man. So yeah it makes sense. I will ether wear nothing for out 3rd date or just use IH and IShine, and forget about the A314. Because she is quiet and someonwhat friged more so on the second date though! and I can’t ‘read’ her because of this, so most likely the IH and IShine will help her be more her self, and come out of her shell, and open up more, as well as be more relaxed with me because I will not be putting of the big boss man vibe? In you opinion though, because I have snogged her, each time, I know the attraction is there, so it be cool to drop the a314 and now just concentrate on COMFORT with IH and IShine just to give of a good vibe, so we can connect more right? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/2 "2009-12-16T12:34:27Z")
It’s not going to hurt a thing to change up or go pheroless for your next meeting. A314 seems to make a great impression that lasts, so having a different signature on your next meeting will just add to your mystery. I wear IG much more often than I do A314. It’s more in tune with who I am. I agree that wearing A314 takes more “work” (for me as an individual) to stay congruent with. It requires the confidence to just proceed without feedback and without doubt. The problem with that is that I love feedback. I’ve found that what works best for me is wearing A314 about a third of the time that I’m wearing either A314 or IG. I know some guys use them as a combo and that’s alright, but I prefer wearing one or the other. I may wear A314 for 3 days at work and then wear IG for 6 days. I also take breaks from both and from wearing [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in general. It’s good to switch in some AMMO or a favored MX too. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/3 "2009-12-16T13:55:37Z")
Hmmmm yeah! I have never thought of it like that… Mystery is good! 😉 I am trying to see it like, when I wear a pheromone it sets a certain VIBE, depending what the pheromone is for. So using different types of pheromones for different types of VIBES that you want to set for that particular day/night..etc. Yeah I know what you mean I feel like I want to know if she actual wants to do what I am ‘leading’ to go and do. There is just a apart of that wants to see her inner side and her voicing her opinion ‘more’ would help. It’s all fine and dandy I could lead all the time and doing things that I want to do all the time, and she ‘I don’t mind what we do’ … but then again, maybe she really dont! lol. I could trial and error until she voices her opinion more, and then if she does it TOO MUCH I could go put on some A314! lol. How easy is it to overdose on IH & IShine and will you only come across as ‘BETA’ if you overdose. And is there a difference in overdosing with using only IH & IShine, compared to overdosing on IH & IShine with A314?.. Will both overdoses just make you seem BETA with the A314 having no effect or difference on how much/less or even Beta at all?..etc. It’s just that every time I wear A314 and I add [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) Or honesty, I always keep it on the low side because I don’t want to fuck the night up and end up coming across as beta lol. So just asking because I might try IShine & IH on their own and just wondering how easy it is to overdose? But yeah I think I will eventually start doing that, some days wear A413 then other days wear IG or Ammo, when I get them, it kinda spices things up I spose! Keeps the dating/relationships on the edge, never getting repetitive/boring. Keeps her wondering, guessing, excited but also in a safe comfortable trust-able way because of the use of A314/IG in there also 🙂 EDIT The more I think about what’s been going on with this girl, it makes more sense what the A314 has been doing!.. and before as of today I wasn’t thinking it was the Pheromones!, I was thinking in a logical sense, forgetting about the pheromones I was wearing. Which is good at least I know they work! lol 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/4 "2009-12-16T14:49:03Z")
what do you mean coming across as a beta??? I’ve heard that said alot, and I have no idea what your talking about 🙂 also, if she’s a more quiet type, I would suggest throw in some openness! because if she’s still quiet it’s obvious shes still got some walls up and is intimidated by you ya know? openness should help correct this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/5 "2009-12-16T14:56:13Z")
Beta Male is the complete opposite to an Alpha Male 🙂 I havent got IO, but I do have CTTM2 (togo) though, have never used it… would that equally benefit me? Oh I also have Instant female magic 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/6 "2009-12-16T15:43:13Z")
No IH or Ishine won’t ‘make’ you seem beta. Looking to her for validation? Yep that’s beta. IH is pretty good at getting her to open up about what she is thinking. The dark side is that it can be pretty good at getting you to open up your thoughts as well. If she starts spilling her guts and looking to you for her validation…that’s where you want to be. if you start spilling yours too…that’s where you get into the sticky mess. Being alpha just means that you are not looking for validation outside of yourself and others do look to you for validation. Being beta means that someone else holds the power of validation over you no matter whether or not you hold that power over someone else. Alpha: “I’ll pick you up at 7” Beta: “Is 7 OK?” It doesn’t matter if she then says “No, seven doesn’t work, how about 7:30?”. There is nothing beta about agreeing to 7:30. The problem with A314 is that she will likely stop with “No, 7 doesn’t work.” That leaves it up to you to continue to lead the conversation and possibly dig a hole by seeking her validation of an alternate time. If the IH or Ishine can pull that suggestion of an alternate time out of her, it makes life that much easier. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/7 "2009-12-16T16:00:08Z")
Yeah Renny this is what is happening with the girl I am dating at the moment, it was kind of frustrating because I wasn’t thinking about me wearing A314, so I was trying to wonder why she was not voicing her opinion, and other stuff..etc. For example I took her out the other night, it ended good. I didnt text her that night and she didnt text me, all day the next day she didnt text me, and I didnt text her. Then around about 9pm I was wondering if everything was alright, maybe I did not relies the night went bad or something. So I thought fuck it, I decied to text her, because there was apart of me that was thinking she might of been thinking ‘something’ because I hadn’t text HER lol. I text her and we exchange some texts back and fourth, which I get this negative vibe of her through her texts, kind of cold, not as happy/blunt (I can tell in text!!! Honest lol) So I thought fuck it I asked her if everything was alright with me and her? And she text back saying ‘‘Yeah, are you alright with me? you didn’t text me last night x’’ (I didnt know I had too! That’s what I mean, I can’t read her, I am not psychic..etc lol) …The it clicked, then I have starting thinking about what I am coming across like, which lead me on to thinking about my pheromones..etc. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/8 "2009-12-16T16:23:22Z")
Just add a squirt of CTTM to your A314 and see if it helps. Get some IG and AMMO for a change up…pheromones don’t work over text messages though. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/9 "2009-12-16T17:20:10Z")
Surly when you use pheromones they see you as a certain person, they get a vibe and when they are not with you, they still see you as this type of person, they remember you like that, because they don’t know any other way, specially as Ive always had a314 on because that’s the only vibe she has ever had over me… eh? … and plus I was wearing it when texting, how do you know she didn’t receive it through text…Anything is possible in my world!! lol 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/10 "2009-12-16T17:25:35Z")
> [@Stud\_Muffin](#): > > Surly when you use pheromones they see you as a certain person, they get a vibe and when they are not with you, they still see you as this type of person, they remember you like that, because they don’t know any other way, specially as Ive always had a314 on because that’s the only vibe she has ever had over me… eh? > > … and plus I was wearing it when texting, how do you know she didn’t receive it through text…Anything is possible in my world!! lol 🙂 A314 seems to engender a lot of phero memory. 🙂 I’m an old fart and I think I have sent two text messages in my whole life, so I could be wrong.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/11 "2009-12-16T20:43:33Z")
… whoa, so beta male equals lame male… so why would anyone ever put on Honesty??? cause thats a large dose of lame male? ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/12 "2009-12-16T22:29:43Z")
Not really. IH sends a trustworthy signal, something that an alpha should have. It is really up to your actions, not the mones you are wearing, to make yourself alpha. ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/13 "2009-12-16T22:39:34Z")
hmmmmm I suppose ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/14 "2009-12-16T23:46:57Z")
Yeah my observations on a314 are the same - people kinda shut up and want you to take the lead.It’s like there’s a gap bewteen you and them and communications is limited. ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/15 "2009-12-17T02:37:54Z")
I like it tho, I’m not really one to talk much. so it’s like I only have to say a fraction of the things I would have said and I still get everyones attention. plus everyone laughs at my jokes regardless of how funny they are =D which is always awesome. Wootwoot for respect laughs 😛 lol ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/16 "2009-12-17T03:17:27Z")
Ok, I am a bit confused. SM, what signal are you trying to send? Are you trying to send " hey im alpha/take charge guy" or “Im the laid back manly type”? Just wondering BTW, A314 and IH is one hell of a combo. It screams "I am a respected, take charge, solid, reliable protector. IMO, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) might be the way to go. It is very easy to be congruent with. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-to-ig/34876/17 "2009-12-17T08:40:53Z")
Well I don’t know now! lol, I was appealed to the higher value, trustworthy, more respect, protector aspect. But now that I have been using it for a while, it feels that I have to do everything which involves talking and leading, which for me I like to do it sometimes but not ALL the time, I like when people make suggestions and voice there opinion, I like to be laid back and go with the flow, of course I can lead specially in dating situations, but I spose the only way to describe it is how > [@](#): > > Casanova said ‘‘people kinda shut up and want you to take the lead.It’s like there’s a gap bewteen you and them and communications is limited.’’ …So just wondering now that it might not fit my personality, I might not be congruent enough and if anyone has experienced the same then felt that IG, fits them better…