# A314 vs IG for sales. What do you think? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 7, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999 "2011-05-07T09:49:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/1 "2011-05-07T09:49:34Z")
Hi everyone. I´m starting a new sales/fund raising job on monday. 🙂 I´m thinking about using a -none + socials combo, but not sure what to use as a base. Should i go with A314a (i don´t have the oil version), or should i use IG? On the one hand, I´ve been testing IG for two weeks now, and got some great results using 2 sprays; on the other hand, almost every thread related to Sales advices to use A314 (although i have not started testing it yet and i´m not really familiar with it), so i really don´t know what to do. For the socials, i was thinking IH + IO, and some IS maybe. What do you think? I know the real answer is “test it yourself, and find out what works for you”. And i know it´s the wai to go to really understand how to use mones. However, i´d like to make some profits in the first week, to make my boss happy for choosing me among other candidates, so… I´D LOVE to use your KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE to score some points ASAP, and start my own testing once I have shown some results. Any advice will be very appreciated. Thanks a lot. Talk to you soon. Xtraball ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/2 "2011-05-07T11:27:23Z")
> [@extraballislit](#): > > Hi everyone. > > I´m starting a new sales/fund raising job on monday. 🙂 > > I´m thinking about using a -none + socials combo, but not sure what to use as a base. Should i go with A314a (i don´t have the oil version), or should i use IG? > > On the one hand, I´ve been testing IG for two weeks now, and got some great results using 2 sprays; on the other hand, almost every thread related to Sales advices to use A314 (although i have not started testing it yet and i´m not really familiar with it), so i really don´t know what to do. > > For the socials, i was thinking IH + IO, and some IS maybe. What do you think? > > I know the real answer is “test it yourself, and find out what works for you”. And i know it´s the wai to go to really understand how to use mones. However, i´d like to make some profits in the first week, to make my boss happy for choosing me among other candidates, so… > > I´D LOVE to use your KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE to score some points ASAP, and start my own testing once I have shown some results. > > Any advice will be very appreciated. > > Thanks a lot. > > Talk to you soon. > > Xtraball Although there might be a general “win all” formula for sales and or interviews and or office use and or… etc It also depends on which environment you’re going to be making your sales at. Eg. Are you raising funds for a charity in crowded office blocked environments? Are you making trips door to door at suburban homes looking for donations? Are you going to be rubbing shoulders with the hoi poloi at cocktails and ballroom fundraisers? You work with your crowd, how you think you can be congruent with the signature and also the nature of your organisation and what you’re selling. Provide more information and we’ll be able to take it from there ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/3 "2011-05-07T11:30:46Z")
I would go with A314 for sales. Its designed for that and is really the most effective. If your a good salesman you dont even need congruence. People in sales naturally have that “lead” about them and A314 just takes it all the further. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/4 "2011-05-07T18:46:23Z")
I’ve used A314 at work when running fund raisers and a combo of IG + [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/), and by far the IG + MX297 combo took my fund raising capabilities to a whole other level. I was a rock star when getting something like 18-22% of my customers donating, but with the IG 297 mix I was hitting 59% conversion ratios as well as leading in $ per $100 donated. It was honestly crazy different. We do 4 fund raising events a year that last about 4 weeks, so I was able to really test this out a number of times to see what worked best for me. With the IG 297 mix I was so like able, trust worthy, and confident as I stated elsewhere, I felt like I could have sold Christ himself his own crucifix and maybe even up sold him on using bigger nails. If I were in sales this is the mix I would use hands down. A314 is amazing, but sometimes a bit too authoritarian. It would probably be something I would pull out if I had a client who kept coming back to me unable to make the decision to take the plunge. But for gentle persuasion, charismatic persuasion, IG and 297. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/5 "2011-05-07T20:26:35Z")
Depends what kind of sales IMO. For sales that people look to you for advice and authority, I would go with A314. I would probably defer to [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) if you’re doing door to door or survey type of sales ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/6 "2011-05-08T15:47:34Z")
Thanks everyone for your answers. I´ll be meeting business owners and asking them to donate different amounts of money, in order to pay for the expenses of an event the organization i work for is hosting. Media coverage is assured, and the publicity value they will get in exchange should double or triple the money they give, but it´s not something that you can easily measure, and with this economy, i guess it´s not going to be easy. I see it as challenge and as an oportunity to show my skills. I guess i should go A314, as the people i´m going to meet are not average joes, although most of them are not exactly “corporate tycoons” or wall street types. Most of themn are hard working small business owners, and i don´t want to be percieved as too authoritative. The vibe i want to get is “serious, trustworthy and knowledgeable guy offering a good opportunity”. Also, special thanks to thegentleman. The mix you suggest, IG+MX 297 seems something worth trying. I´m serously considering ordering some MX 297. Anyones else has seen similar results? Talk to you soon. Extraball ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/7 "2011-05-08T16:39:47Z")
> [@extraballislit](#): > > Thanks everyone for your answers. > > I´ll be meeting business owners and asking them to donate different amounts of money, in order to pay for the expenses of an event the organization i work for is hosting. Media coverage is assured, and the publicity value they will get in exchange should double or triple the money they give, but it´s not something that you can easily measure, and with this economy, i guess it´s not going to be easy. I see it as challenge and as an oportunity to show my skills. > > I guess i should go A314, as the people i´m going to meet are not average joes, although most of them are not exactly “corporate tycoons” or wall street types. Most of themn are hard working small business owners, and i don´t want to be percieved as too authoritative. The vibe i want to get is “serious, trustworthy and knowledgeable guy offering a good opportunity”. > > Also, special thanks to thegentleman. The mix you suggest, IG+MX 297 seems something worth trying. I´m serously considering ordering some MX 297. Anyones else has seen similar results? > > Talk to you soon. > > Extraball I’m still trying to nail down the reactions I’m getting with mx297, it seems promising but I’m still not too clear so I’ll give you a couple of mixes you could consider trying that I know would definitely work The perspective when placed in the role of a salesman, these can be used for attraction but we’ll look at it from the perspective of sales 1. A314 (By itself) 2. A314 + IS (Bright shiny and convincing alpha) 3. A314 + IH (Alpha that people can trust) 4. A314 + IH + IS (Bright shiny alpha that people can trust) 5. IG + IS (Use when probably dealing with older folk, the more traditional types who’d probably see you as a fine young boy/man) 6. IG + IH (Same as the above, going for trust) 7. IG + IS + IH (All the good things) If you’re dealing with women bosses/managers, you could try throwing in 1 or 2 sprays of ammunition. You might walk out with more than a cheque 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/8 "2011-05-08T19:06:14Z")
I would go with A314, if it comes off too authoritarian, buffer it with some instant shine. IG is likable, some might even say charming and that would be fine for selling something to an average person buying a product in a store, but you’re dealing with businessmen. They tend to be a bit more discriminating with where their money goes and usually will only trust somebody that seems to know what they’re talking about. That’s where A314 really shines. IG can get people to spend money because they like you as a person. A314 gets them to spend money because you seem to know your shit and they trust you because of that. ---
**Author:** ![thodge21](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thodge21/32/1084_2.png) [@thodge21](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thodge21)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/9 "2011-05-08T20:37:15Z")
I agree with Radman, a314 and IS should give you the authority that you know what you’re talking about while the good feelings bring your customers comfort. ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/10 "2011-05-08T20:51:31Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > IG can get people to spend money because they like you as a person. > A314 gets them to spend money because you seem to know your shit and they trust you because of that. Definitelly, i´ll go A314. I think i´ll use 2x A314 (1.23a), and bring with me some IS to buffer A 314 in case i come across as too overbearing. Maybe i should add some IH to try to be percieved as someon trustworthy and to deepen rapport with prospects, as Johnny Gslinger says in his post. RADMAN, thanks a lot for your help with this one. I´ll keep you posted. Talk to you soon. Xtraball ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/11 "2011-05-09T02:07:48Z")
I use A314 to enhance a mature authority vibe at work. It works great for respectful communication and getting people to follow orders. It’s not very social for me and tends to be standoffish worn solo. I need to temper it with SOE or IH or I eat lunch alone. I suspect if an strongly authoritative personality was urging me to donate my hard earned cash, I’d tell him to jump in the lake and drink! I’m thinking a honest, well mannered sweet talker would be better, e.g., IG, IO & IS. Of course it all depends on how this stuff mingles with your personality and natural mones. If you’re already alpha, the A314 would make guys like me wanna give you a hard time just to mess with ya! If you’re mild mannered, A314 may help you appear stronger and steadfast. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/12 "2011-05-18T19:52:14Z")
I didn’t read the entire thread so if its been covered pardon the interruption 🙂. I voted for A314 personally because for me that’s what works. What you are asking for is not really possible for ANY of us to tell you what would work best for you. Everybody has character traits that mones will enhance or flaws that mones will bring to the forefront. So what works for me in sales will not necessarily work for you. If a shy guy was doing sales (I’ve seen it happen) than he might be better off with IO Ishine and IG. A very ALPHA person might be suitable for the same combo to give him a softer edge. What you need to do is discover your personal points that make YOU shine and then use the mones that will enhance that. Like a nice shirt that brings out your eyes, the same should be said for mones. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/13 "2011-06-25T04:57:43Z")
I find that I use IG and A314 for different things. I think A314 has a lot of substance to it. It’s several [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) combined in a way to give it a full, rounded pheromone signature that can be useful in several situations. IG to me carries it’s lighter, and is to be used in situations when you need to be a big careful. Compare it to using strength vs. using finesse. Strength will often achieve your goals, however sometimes using strength alone can be counter-productive. Some people respond well to one or the other. To me, A314 has the broadest appeal. ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/14 "2011-06-25T09:47:50Z")
Hi, Evolver, thanks for your answer. May i ask if you have ever combined both A314 and IG? I recently did and it, during a work related event, and it seemed to be an intersting combo. I think it was about 1dr a314 and 2xIG, and maybe some IS (about 2 sprays, maybe). I didn´t take any notes, so not sure. Using your analogy, i guess it kept some of the strength of A314 and definitely added some finess from IG. I was dealing mostly with people that where a bit older than me, and everybody seemed to like me and enjoy talking to me. Also had a nice hit from an older lady i find attractive, who seemed somehow dismissive the last time we met. She had shown some interest before, specially when wearing A314, but this time she seemed to be more into me. I also got some respect hits from a couple of younger guys, and maybe some anxiety from a younger lady, not sure it it was me or the whole situation. I don´t have much experience with A314, but IG seemed to add something i cannot accuratelly describe. Thanks for bringing this thread back to life Talk to you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/15 "2011-06-25T18:20:27Z")
A little [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) along with A314 goes a long way. I haven’t tested it with IG yet but P74 with A314 really helps smoothen things out. It seems to help balance the alpha out and induce cooperation. I’ve had good experiences with it with clients and co-workers ---
**Author:** ![extraballislit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/extraballislit/32/712_2.png) [@extraballislit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extraballislit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 11:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/16 "2011-06-26T11:06:07Z")
> [@Johnny Gslinger](#): > > A little P74 along with A314 goes a long way. I haven’t tested it with IG yet but P74 with A314 really helps smoothen things out. It seems to help balance the alpha out and induce cooperation. I’ve had good experiences with it with clients and co-workers Hi, Johnny. Sounds good. I´ll give it a try next week. I´ve found that A314 by itself can be a little overbearing for some people sometimes. However, i´m likeing it´s self effects more and more. How much p74 are you using? I guess I´ll give it a try starting with 10 mcg. I´ll keep you posted. Talk to you soon. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/17 "2011-06-26T15:41:45Z")
I haven’t used IG with A314, they are too similar. I wouldn’t be surprised if you got results from them. IH and IO both have a well established good effect when combined with A314. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/18 "2011-06-26T18:02:59Z")
IO and IH work for me with IG. IH works for me with A314 but for some reason, IO seems to water down the A314, just doesn’t work with it for me.I use [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) at 15mcgs-30mcgs. My sweet spot is 30mcgs, but I go with 15mcgs when I have alot of other mones on. My A314 mix is 1 drop A314, 15mcgs P74, 1 Shot of ISx4 and if I think I need it or not, either 1 shot of IHx2 or IHx4. I usually go with 30mcgs if I know things might get tough > [@evolver](#): > > I haven’t used IG with A314, they are too similar. I wouldn’t be surprised if you got results from them. IH and IO both have a well established good effect when combined with A314. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/19 "2011-06-27T21:26:22Z")
> [@Johnny Gslinger](#): > > IO and IH work for me with IG. IH works for me with A314 but for some reason, IO seems to water down the A314, just doesn’t work with it for me.I use P74 at 15mcgs-30mcgs. My sweet spot is 30mcgs, but I go with 15mcgs when I have alot of other mones on. My A314 mix is 1 drop A314, 15mcgs P74, 1 Shot of ISx4 and if I think I need it or not, either 1 shot of IHx2 or IHx4. I usually go with 30mcgs if I know things might get tough Actually Johnny you hit it right on with the A314 and IO. It actually says in the product description that if you want to water down the results of A314 you should apply IO. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999/20 "2011-06-28T00:35:01Z")
It does? I swear I didn’t copy it off anywhere. Lol. Just did a search on product page and looked at my bottles, doesn’t say it. Noooooo… > [@Steve](#): > > Actually Johnny you hit it right on with the A314 and IO. It actually says in the product description that if you want to water down the results of A314 you should apply IO. 😉 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-vs-ig-for-sales-what-do-you-think/189999.md?page=2)