# A314 + XiSt anybody? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 19, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239 "2014-06-19T16:43:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ss109](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@ss109](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ss109)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/1 "2014-06-19T16:43:13Z")
Gents, I love A314rev32, females find me very attractive/charismatic any time (Well, not all the time of course but often enough!) I don the stuff ( 1 to 2 drops or even higher). Solo its not a respect getter in the least (for me), no matter the dose but I really don’t care because I can always throw in a small amount of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) (2.5mcg or less) if I want intimidation. Anyway, to the issue at hand. Has anyone successfully utilized XiSt with A314? What dose? I’m thinking it could be a very nice combo for dates, on paper at least. I’ve heard comparisons of XiSt with P93, anybody concur? Though I haven’t read reports of XiSt repelling non- Caucasians, whereas there are multiple threads about P93 doing this very thing. Further, what age/demographic does XiSt target? Does it have any enone? Lastly, does Xist add any youthfulness to A314? Perhaps making it more agreeable to younger ladies (18 to 25)? To be frank, a lot of the XS product line does not suit me but I am hoping XiSt will be the exception, really only for the purposes of combining with A314. I want to add a bit more oomph to the stuff when I am out on dates. Create more fallout, bonding, boyfriend material experience etc… Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/2 "2014-06-19T21:43:49Z")
Well, the driving force in XiSt is supposedly an EPImer of allopregnanolone. Unless the label is wrong. I checked several sources, and they use allopreg, epiallo and isopreg as synonymns for the same thing. But they aren’t the same. The trivial names used by phero cos. for THDOC and pregnans are usually not what is used in textbooks. From the label, I’m not all sure what’s really in it. But the phero evidence for real epi isn’t the best. I figure the base rones and -enone make it a supercharged version of AMMO/[A314 spray](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic-spray/). Nobody sells epi as a named single and there are few tests. Prolly an Androtics putative though. Could have _some_ memory effect, but I think TAF and P96 are better tested. The co-creator of the mix has said it was designed to work solo. That said, to me P96 has chemical qualities worlds away from epiallo. So even though IBF used P96, epiallo isn’t in the same biochemical solar system with sedating allosteric modulators. I’d ask the vendor these questions, but I don’t think he’d answer. Which is another matter. You might ask though. What’s the IUPAC for the labeled epi, and how does epi test as a single? It’s not a proven fallout molecule. ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/3 "2014-06-20T06:04:11Z")
I’ve combined XiSt with A314 and I would say that XiSt is much better on its own – yes, XiSt does lack a hard hitting punch but that’s how the product was designed. It can work slowly, but the results WILL come even if there is only a slight “spark”. I’ve written a review on XiSt (pheromonexs) on my site which is far more in depth. _**(admin note: I extracted the link provided by phertest. It was reported as a backdoor advertising link for competitor product which is against our forum rule on commercial speech – “[Commercial speech limitations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simple-forum-rules-etiquette/60819): 1) If you are commercially involved in any manner (directly or indirectly) with [pheromone](https://a314.com/) related technologies, you must make arrangements with management before participating on this site in any fashion.” Please be warned. 😃 – herepero)**_ Since I wrote that review, my girlfriend and I broke up. At one point after a huge argument, she mentioned she wanted to get back with me but couldn’t because of all the fighting. Coincidentally, this was around the time I wore XiSt around her a few times. Keep in mind I was not intending to get back with her, this was purely experimental to see if she would stop acting immature regarding the whole situation. I would have liked to remain friends, but she kept a bratty attitude even after I was over it which tore us apart. P.S. Also, she is 19 - a314 is too mature and serious for girls this age. XiSt is a much better option depending on the type of girls you go for. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/4 "2014-06-20T08:00:05Z")
> [@phertest](#): > > I will put back the link once our discussion leans in favor of phertest. --herepero) I edited my original post to reflect that, after triple checking, some labs use three different conflicting names for the same molecule. However, let’s make things more interesting. I’m gonna bet the four labeled XiSt molecules (or very close analogues) are here in this very Shoppe. Genuine Epi is maybe on the sustainable side of the tracks (vs. P86/86/93). So, I bet a fella could make some XiSt. Not exactly the same, but pretty close. Maybe A314 B Spray + AMMO or -enone plus maybe a hint of IG. And a putative. 😃 But, I agree with phertest. 314 oil can be a tad harsh in social contexts. ---
**Author:** ![Turbosmart4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Turbosmart4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Turbosmart4)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/5 "2014-06-23T15:42:31Z")
Why don’t you try SS4M ? I just ordered a bottle myself 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/6 "2014-06-23T17:09:38Z")
Interesting - I have some Xist but I’ve yet to get round to it. Got it just before my foot turned really bad, so its sat there waiting. There is only one of the stated ingredients that makes me wonder if it would be any use in a fallout/bonding mix but its not one of the primaries, so it may be negligible. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ss109](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@ss109](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ss109)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/7 "2014-06-23T19:39:09Z")
Thanks for the responses. Need to try it out once, not very optimistic though. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/8 "2014-08-06T18:34:28Z")
You were the first to make the public aware of some of the issues regarding A314 Revision 31. The link is in the private A314 area. Now that Revision 32 has been out over a year, what is your current review? How does it perform with XiSt? I will only post a brief quote from PheromonePro, since it’s your copyright, for purposes of fair-use quoting. You’re 24 years of age and joined the board about a year after myself. How many total years have you been testing? In other words, what were your results with Revision 29? What about the current A314 B Spray. I’ve not seen fallout per se with Revision 32 oil, but I do like it for status. The spray, I have seen fallout alone with this. It’s a strong product alone or combo with IH. Good for winter, which will be along soon. “After months of pushing, they finally had an exchange program for an updated bottle that wasn’t complete garbage. Rev32 finally came out.” So, have you tested Revision 32? What are your **current** reviews? > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/what-happened-a314-now-disappointed-63817.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life Just to be clear, I don’t think Androtics does an affiliate program. If they ever do, I’d strongly consider a website myself. Frankly, I’d just use any commisions to test more products. I know some guys test everything, but spending more than $1200 per year on mones is over my budget. > [@phertest](#): > > I’ve combined XiSt with A314 and I would say that XiSt is much better on its own – yes, XiSt does lack a hard hitting punch but that’s how the product was designed. It can work slowly, but the results WILL come even if there is only a slight “spark”. > > I’ve written a review on XiSt (pheromonexs) on my site which is far more in depth. > > _**(admin note: I extracted the link provided by phertest. It was reported as a backdoor advertising link for competitor product which is against our forum rule on commercial speech – “[Commercial speech limitations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/simple-forum-rules-etiquette/60819): 1) If you are commercially involved in any manner (directly or indirectly) with pheromone related technologies, you must make arrangements with management before participating on this site in any fashion.” Please be warned. 😃 – herepero)**_ > > Since I wrote that review, my girlfriend and I broke up. At one point after a huge argument, she mentioned she wanted to get back with me but couldn’t because of all the fighting. Coincidentally, this was around the time I wore XiSt around her a few times. > > Keep in mind I was not intending to get back with her, this was purely experimental to see if she would stop acting immature regarding the whole situation. I would have liked to remain friends, but she kept a bratty attitude even after I was over it which tore us apart. > > P.S. Also, she is 19 - a314 is too mature and serious for girls this age. XiSt is a much better option depending on the type of girls you go for. ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/9 "2014-08-07T11:50:32Z")
I’ve written reviews here and there with thoughts about rev32. To be quite honest its definitely not worth $100+ price tag, and there are now products out there that are more versatile and do similar things. With that said, its “okay”, but it seems too serious to be worn anywhere other than a workplace. With my past bottle (rev20), I had very good self effects, respect was there, but it also seemed to create fascination - something the current version lacks. People just seem to be scared of you or do things because you might get angry if they don’t. That’s not the kind of respect I want. I want people to want to do things, which is how the older versions worked for me. At the moment, its just straight intimidation, little to no attraction, too serious… just a bit too unbalanced for my liking. There doesn’t seem to be any charisma that I get from it which I got from old ones. I will have to revisit, but thats what I can recall about it. Nothing too positive that stands out in my head. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/10 "2014-08-07T16:00:18Z")
It is more commanding than charismatic, whether by accident or design? People continue to say that A314 + IH is every bit as good as it ever was, but the commanding element is still there? Yet, others say it isn’t commanding enough. Same can be said of XS line, scattered among several boards. Comments include unbeatable, smells to strong, instant OD at one spray or got no results. The 3 primary mones comprising XS sell, as the single molecule, for ~ **$95** retail **each** at 20 milligrams. XiSt is said to contain ~ 30 milligrams for about **$30**. What explains this? 1. The mones in XiSt are a lower, reagent grade purity? 2. It is sold as a loss leader (no profit)? 3. The single molecules are marked up too high? ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/11 "2014-08-07T19:27:53Z")
I am just a fan of XiSt. I don’t like the stink of Ascend either, so what? I’m just not getting your point. You asked for an opinion of rev32, I listed my complaints (not including the fact that the formula changed since what I got to a lesser product - rev20), listed some positives and negatives I can recall and contrasted them fairly IMO. If you have something to prove, contact SteveO and post his response here. Or go to his board, call him about it, or email him. There are ways to do that you know 😛 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/12 "2014-08-07T22:25:13Z")
Well, being that PheromonePro is a professional review site, tough questions go with the job, correct? Anyway, since this is an Andotics board, what are your current Androtics reviews? What do they have that stacks up against XS? What do you like or currently test? What are your favorites? Are you still using And. products, or have you given them up? > [@phertest](#): > > I am just a fan of XiSt. I don’t like the stink of Ascend either, so what? > > I’m just not getting your point. You asked for an opinion of rev32, I listed my complaints (not including the fact that the formula changed since what I got to a lesser product - rev20), listed some positives and negatives I can recall and contrasted them fairly IMO. > > If you have something to prove, contact SteveO and post his response here. Or go to his board, call him about it, or email him. There are ways to do that you know 😛 ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/13 "2014-08-08T02:38:38Z")
Yeah, but like I said in the other thread, I don’t know SteveO personally. We’ve emailed eachother a few times regarding products, shipping, business… but I live in a different side of the world. If you really MUST know why his molecules are so cheap, then ask him. It’s really that simple. Just because I review [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) doesn’t mean I know the inner workings of everyones business. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/14 "2014-08-12T21:17:56Z")
Take it from someone who had the original xist, no need for A314, its redundant. IBF = xist which was my testing with steve’s guidance ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/15 "2014-08-12T21:22:52Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Well, being that PheromonePro is a professional review site, tough questions go with the job, correct? Anyway, since this is an Andotics board, what are your current Androtics reviews? What do they have that stacks up against XS? What do you like or currently test? What are your favorites? Are you still using And. products, or have you given them up? Quite frankly, AD products have gotten expensive and not as effective. This is coming from my friends who have used their products as long if not longer than I and are not current with the forums. I still use my old stuff and it works mavelously. Unfortunately complacency took over and it wasn’t the company we all loved. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/16 "2014-08-12T22:04:40Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Quite frankly, AD products have gotten expensive and not as effective. > > This is coming from my friends who have used their products as long if not longer than I and are not current with the forums. > > I still use my old stuff and it works mavelously. Unfortunately complacency took over and it wasn’t the company we all loved. Could you be more specific? For example, if anything, the TOGO Shine I have now costs the same and is better than one 2 years ago. I’m not saying that you do. I don’t know if you received any “consideration” as part of developing XiSt. Admittedly, many reviews are quite good. To say otherwise would be untruthful. However, it just seems like criticism of Androtics products comes from entities involved commercially in [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), via affiliate sales or what have you. Androtics has been somewhat at the mercy of materials costs, since they won’t compromise on molecule quality. LS, for example, uses reagent grade, which is NOT ACS analytical standard. I know what top-quality -enone costs from a lab. It ain’t cheap. Now, if XS globally sourced a cheap supply of top-notch -enone, that is quite a find. But every **batch** has to be tested, and that ain’t cheap. When bought from a US lab, the quality report comes with it. Top quality is \> 98%. Reagent grade isn’t bad. And, if someone isn’t a stickler for quality, they may not care. For example, IH would be cheaper if they used reagent grade or less than 98% quality nols. But, at least as the company has explained it to me, Michael Harris was absolutely uncompromising on quality. He just won’t allow his name to be associated with any less. And, yes, foreign companies are notorious for inconsistent molecule batches and even faked COA quality reports. And that simple fact has made it difficult to be price competitive. No question about it. And there was a time 2010-2011 where it wasn’t clear SmartMones would make it. Will the new phero cos. survive the next recession? Great question. Not selling stuff below costs they won’t. WalMart pursued a loss-leader strategy. It’s had declining sales for over 1 year. Though not a chemist, I basically understand chiral resolution, asymmetric synthesis, binding affinity and so forth. Enough so that when I see molecule prices that don’t make sense. Well, what can I say…they don’t make sense. As we say down yonder in Dixie, “I didn’t just fall off the fruit truck yesterday.” Now, **if** all these molecules are **finest** quality and dirt cheap…and still profitable…hats off to XS! That’s some kick-ass business skill. Can you shed **any** light on why XS sells single molecules of erone, enone and beta rone for 3 times more than a bottle of XiSt at 30 milligrams? The reason for the question is legit. I personally (speaking **only** for myself), find it difficult to reconcile why XS’ pres could or would admit compromising a position of public trust insofar as posting test reports that were not truthful. I would say that prior to this year I did look upon the company with great esteem as a bona fide contender that was “going places.” I considered ditching A314 for Ascend. Nevertheless, I take test reports very seriously. When I reported on the new Shine, I wasn’t paid a commission. I will never, ever, knowingly make a report that is not true, to the best of my knowledge. Nor can I respect any man (not referring to you P51) that would post a joke molecule report. I’m sorry, but _nothing_ will bend my views on that, short of a public apology from XS. And I take **no** pleasure at all saying so. It is deeply disappointing, because I trusted that man, and now I cannot. ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/17 "2014-08-13T11:40:26Z")
im not a pro,but I noticed that Steve’s blends are legit and potent.i diluted my bottle of Xist with perfumer’s alcohol and DPG and it still hit quite hard.he packed a truck load of mones in his products(i can tell by the smell and reactions).high concentration of mones with low price is a smart business strategy? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/18 "2014-08-13T16:22:46Z")
A [pheromone blend](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced/experimental/) is the some of its parts. XiSt is \> 20 milligrams and is $30. A 20 milligram bottle of epirone, rone or -enone costs $95. Multiple Choice: 1. The single molecules have a triple markup. 2. XiSt is sold with little or no profit. 3. The components in the single molecules for sale are different than those in XiSt. For example, singles are \> 98 % and XiSt is reagent grade. A finished product is the some of all costs to make it and must therefore be no less expensive than its parts. Disclosure: As a matter of strictly personaly opinion… I do not believe the individual in question is a successful PUA, that the report on molecule P76 is true (or, for that matter, many reports) or that the molecule composition of XiSt is correct as shown on the site. I don’t believe this person is a PUA. > **[Steve Osborn](https://www.youtube.com/user/junkyfungus)** > > There's only one SteebO and that's me, but you're great too just by being you. I don’t believe that the story of a 45-year-old man “number closing” a girl that graduated high school last week is true. It sounds like a Loch Ness Monster or Area 51 story. > [@Micro-Dosing P76 - Hey Mister need a shine?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/micro-dosing-p76-hey-mister-need-a-shine/50434): > > I had a bottle of P76 at 2.5 mcg sitting around for a while and I don’t recall reading much about it. I did some research after I had tested it and discovered that most reports were 25 mcg and higher to less than ideal results. There seems to be something paradoxical at higher micrograms going on like sexual in nature, but to good for sex. Yep that’s what I wrote. I’m really unsure where I came across a 2.5 P76, but perhaps I obtained it when I picked up [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) at lower dosages. Well this weekend … * * * Lots of claims get made that they are “working on” posting proof of the molecule quality. Well, it isn’t there. That’s just a fact. One year later, it’s not there. In business, one is expected to stand behind his or her advertising claims. This has not been done. He personally promised to do this 6 months ago and has not done it. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/19 "2014-08-13T19:00:32Z")
Par for the course. A discussion about any pxs product quickly turns into a “I hate SteveO rant” ---
**Author:** ![jett](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jett/32/438_2.png) [@jett](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jett)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-xist-anybody/62239/20 "2014-08-13T19:41:05Z")
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