# About to purchase p75, p83, and summer ammo **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 4, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467 "2012-12-04T20:18:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Adam77](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/adam77/32/980_2.png) [@Adam77](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Adam77)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/1 "2012-12-04T20:18:25Z")
I’m a 35 year old white male, 6’4, 215lbs, with an athletic build. I’m fairly laid back and shy around women I don’t know. What can I expect from a mix of these 3 mones? ---
**Author:** ![AlGem1st](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/algem1st/32/1332_2.png) [@AlGem1st](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlGem1st)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/2 "2012-12-04T20:52:53Z")
Welcome back, Those are 3 of the hard hitting attraction mones here especially in a Mix. Go with a 1-2X [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) SE + 10-20mcg P83 + 2.5mcg P75 combo and if you add a comfort phero like IS, IH, or 20mcg of P74 there you’ve got yourself a flame to the moths Mix 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/3 "2012-12-04T22:27:46Z")
> [@AlGem1st](#): > > Welcome back, > > Those are 3 of the hard hitting attraction mones here especially in a Mix. > > Go with a 1-2X Ammo SE + 10-20mcg P83 + 2.5mcg P75 combo and if you add a comfort phero like IS, IH, or 20mcg of P74 there you’ve got yourself a flame to the moths Mix 😃 This^^ I actually wear the exact mix above and have had great results with it especially since I have been adding 15mcg of P83 into the mix and 15mcg of P74 instead of 30mcg. I wear this mix to the gym, the mall, and other places where I know I am bound to run into girls but in a gym setting tend to replace the Ammo with IO. As far as dosages go it varies from person to person, a lot of guys say 30mcg for P83 but I like what I get at 15mcg so trial and error on the putatives. As far as what it will do P83 is known for making people act on the inhibitions or a disinhibitor molecule and from my experience that is what it does. I am more of an introverted person but when wearing P83@15mcg with the above mix I find it hard not to talk and am always laughing and having fun. Find that it may boost the effects of the other mones as well. P75 I personally find to help with my own confidence and has a cool guy effect on girls and also what I call magnetism where girls will slowly work there way closer to you and stick around. I find 2.5mcg dosage works best for me. P74 really for me just helps people relax more for rapport building and making people feel comfortable when wearing it in the mix stated. So really the mix of these Putative gives me great confidence and helps me open up and also gives great results with the ladies. Give it a try and let us know what you find. ---
**Author:** ![Adam77](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/adam77/32/980_2.png) [@Adam77](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Adam77)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/4 "2012-12-05T06:43:32Z")
Ok great advice. Thanks guys! Order placed. I also purchased P102. What is your experience with that? ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/5 "2012-12-05T11:16:16Z")
> [@Adam77](#): > > Ok great advice. Thanks guys! Order placed. I also purchased P102. What is your experience with that? Actually have all my experiences with these combos logged in my journal if you want to check them out! P102 self effects for me is enhanced senses, peripheral seem to be enhanced, all colors seem brighter, etc etc. Kind of like in the movie limitless right after he takes the pill, also makes my mind race, constant thoughts super fast. It’s a great one to try out. ---
**Author:** ![flyingfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aeb1de/32.png) [@flyingfish](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flyingfish)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/6 "2012-12-05T11:26:02Z")
Hi there, I do have a problem with some people at work who smell mones saying it stank… (Although covering with cologne) Am I correct that putatives can OD but do not smell bad to people who can smell mones? Cold I just use [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) P83 and P74 for attraction without the risk of bad odor? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/7 "2012-12-05T12:42:46Z")
> [@flyingfish](#): > > Hi there, > > I do have a problem with some people at work who smell mones saying it stank… (Although covering with cologne) > > Am I correct that putatives can OD but do not smell bad to people who can smell mones? > > Cold I just use P75 P83 and P74 for attraction without the risk of bad odor? > > Thanks! Depends on WHO it is? One never knows. Test it and see, my friend. Test and see. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/8 "2012-12-05T12:57:32Z")
> [@flyingfish](#): > > Hi there, > > I do have a problem with some people at work who smell mones saying it stank… (Although covering with cologne) > > Am I correct that putatives can OD but do not smell bad to people who can smell mones? > > Cold I just use P75 P83 and P74 for attraction without the risk of bad odor? > > Thanks! Do you tell other people around you that you are wearing [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![flyingfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aeb1de/32.png) [@flyingfish](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flyingfish)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/9 "2012-12-05T13:23:25Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > Do you tell other people around you that you are wearing pheromones? No… They smelled it and traced it back to me… But I didn’t tell them that those are pheromones. My work combo was Corpo, Cohesion and P83 So Androstenone and Androstadienone was in the mix Is the urine / sweat smell Androstenone or Androstadienone? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/10 "2012-12-05T15:14:33Z")
> [@flyingfish](#): > > Am I correct that putatives can OD but do not smell bad to people who can smell mones? > > Cold I just use P75 P83 and P74 for attraction without the risk of bad odor? No. That could be a useful mix - why not test it at a range of doses/combos and report back? 🙂 It will not be a direct replacement for the products discussed on this thread though. > [@flyingfish](#): > > So Androstenone and Androstadienone was in the mix > Is the urine / sweat smell Androstenone or Androstadienone? It could be either, or it could be one of the other phero components. Androstenone has a musky/pissy smell, whilst A1 is well known for its tendency to break down to Androstenone and a truly god-awful stink at the drop of a hat. However, scent response to pheros does vary very widely between individuals - some people will get an awful stink, whilst others get nothing at all - The rest will sit somewhere in between. Also, some people are particularly sensitive to certain individual pheros no matter what you cover them with but not others - A1 is one commonly found very stinky and personally I find P103 has an unbearably cheesy-feet smell that I can only cover for a short time before I smell it on me but the crawling all over me type of hits I get from it suggest that most folk don’t find it anything like as bad. ---
**Author:** ![flyingfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aeb1de/32.png) [@flyingfish](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flyingfish)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/11 "2012-12-06T08:22:53Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > No. > > That could be a useful mix - why not test it at a range of doses/combos and report back? 🙂 It will not be a direct replacement for the products discussed on this thread though. > > It could be either, or it could be one of the other phero components. Androstenone has a musky/pissy smell, whilst A1 is well known for its tendency to break down to Androstenone and a truly god-awful stink at the drop of a hat. > > However, scent response to pheros does vary very widely between individuals - some people will get an awful stink, whilst others get nothing at all - The rest will sit somewhere in between. Also, some people are particularly sensitive to certain individual pheros no matter what you cover them with but not others - A1 is one commonly found very stinky and personally I find P103 has an unbearably cheesy-feet smell that I can only cover for a short time before I smell it on me but the crawling all over me type of hits I get from it suggest that most folk don’t find it anything like as bad. Is there a difference between the application points like more stink if applied on sweaty regions like chest or let’s say armit (I know no one does it) and maybe less odor when applied to hair? Does A1 break down to Enone when applied to hair? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/12 "2012-12-06T10:36:57Z")
Yes, the sweatier more bacteria-laden the app point, the faster the faster mones break down. Hair application is a difficult one - some mones can be used very effectively on clean, short hair but longer/more volumised hair will not diffuse so well. Hair care products like gels, conditioners, sytling goop etc can also very adversely affect diffusion and you **never** apply none or anything that degrades to none to hair. This is because it has an affinity for hair and binds strongly, making it difficult to remove and leading to stinky/buildup problems that can throw your overall dosage right-off for some time. A very long hard and uncomfortable scrub with very hot soapy water is the only effective way to shift this. Yes, A1 is notable for the ease and speed of breakdown to none and smelly byproducts in adverse conditions, hair is one of the last places I’d think on using it. Same with drops from a chemset bottle and the like - These always go fastest and are most difficult to cover. Mixed in products or with a good cover is the way to go. Have you read K-Train’s A1 Guide thread? Its about the best info there is on using A1 effectively. Similarly, spraying the likes of TUTH on your crotch can make for some good fun in bed but you are very likely to wake up the next day to “what died here” sort of smell. So spray a bit higher, where its less hairy and easier cleaned. ---
**Author:** ![Adam77](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/adam77/32/980_2.png) [@Adam77](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Adam77)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/13 "2012-12-06T12:05:29Z")
So my order of Ammo SE, P75 2.5 mcg, P83 10 mcg, and P74 12 mcg, just arrived. Last question is about re-application. How long should I wait before applying another dose? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/14 "2012-12-07T03:43:39Z")
It depends on a number of factors, notably heat and humidity - the hotter and sweatier the place, the faster the pheros diffuse/degrade but you should get a good four to six hours from each application. When you topup, you will probably find you will not need to use as much as you do on an initial application. Again, a bit of practice will help you find your own dosing ranges. ---
**Author:** ![Adam77](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/adam77/32/980_2.png) [@Adam77](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Adam77)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/15 "2012-12-07T08:42:00Z")
So I applied some P74, [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/), and P3 when I unpacked the order. I’ve been having some issues with my significant other the past few months. I have a key to her place so I snuck in at about 11:00 after a few drinks with friends, and joined her in bed. I think the mones got to her in her sleep. Multiple times throughout the night she would roll over and lay on my chest. I woke up this morning and we were holding hands in our sleep. Pretty rare for her to be affectionate the last few months in this manner. The mones?? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/16 "2012-12-07T09:35:47Z")
Very likely. I’ve noticed significant close/cuddly reactions from sleeping women with [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), A1, TAC and other social/comforting mones over a protracted period. one of my favourite tricks with an established partner is if I wake first, I’ll bang-on something very overt - TUTH, IJ, Alter Ego or the like and slip back beside her. Its not usually long before she is crawling all over me in her sleep and on waking, well, “prompt physical attention” is usually very much required. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/17 "2012-12-09T02:45:11Z")
I don’t know about p83 because it brought me nothing but bad news but summer ammo and p75 is a winning combo.. I use it a lot… I find it is rather relaxing yet masculine. Anxiety is reduced but it is definitely not upbeat like IS Reg AMMO. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/18 "2012-12-09T12:17:48Z")
While I can appreciate some renewed interest in certain putatives, I offer this last report on [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) (for now) with a word of caution: it has some highly aggressive tendencies. I will report more on it later this month. A test of as little as 2.5 mcgs by itself found very aggressive self-effects. It seems to be sticky, and the effects seem to last over six hours. I have found that things like IShine really take the bite out of it. I don’t recommend going above 5 mcg and don’t recommend not paring it with IO or Shine. It can be very masculine and even sexual. It complements IShine in some ways: they’re mutually complementary. I observed the bite of this thing after three hours, once the Shine had wore off. The P75 is still there, but I don’t have any more Shine with me. This stuff can get mean in a hurry without socials. That’s why you could easily go through 4 sprays of Shine in 6 hours, while sticky stuff like NONE or other NONE-like putatives are lingering. If you want to try an experimental, give it a go. Just make sure you have 2 sprays of IO or Shine on hand for every 1 of the putative, and take that into consideration when you order. In other words, I’m seeing newbie threads with heavy putatives and NONE products and not so much socials. You can get yourself ghosted or in a fight without something to temper them. When people tell you dudes will come at them from a NONE OD, they aren’t kidding you. Some people can OD on 5 mcgs. I’m closer to half that. P75 plus Shine is for me a wonderful alternative to AMMO, but it’s not for everyone. Naked P75 is like kissing a rattler. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/19 "2012-12-09T15:09:00Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > While I can appreciate some renewed interest in certain putatives, I offer this last report on P75 (for now) with a word of caution: it has some highly aggressive tendencies. I will report more on it later this month. > > A test of as little as 2.5 mcgs by itself found very aggressive self-effects. It seems to be sticky, and the effects seem to last over six hours. I have found that things like IShine really take the bite out of it. I don’t recommend going above 5 mcg and don’t recommend not paring it with IO or Shine. It can be very masculine and even sexual. It complements IShine in some ways: they’re mutually complementary. I observed the bite of this thing after three hours, once the Shine had wore off. The P75 is still there, but I don’t have any more Shine with me. This stuff can get mean in a hurry without socials. > > That’s why you could easily go through 4 sprays of Shine in 6 hours, while sticky stuff like NONE or other NONE-like putatives are lingering. > > If you want to try an experimental, give it a go. Just make sure you have 2 sprays of IO or Shine on hand for every 1 of the putative, and take that into consideration when you order. In other words, I’m seeing newbie threads with heavy putatives and NONE products and not so much socials. You can get yourself ghosted or in a fight without something to temper them. When people tell you dudes will come at them from a NONE OD, they aren’t kidding you. Some people can OD on 5 mcgs. I’m closer to half that. P75 plus Shine is for me a wonderful alternative to AMMO, but it’s not for everyone. Naked P75 is like kissing a rattler. I don’t find guys coming at me when I wear p75 even alone.. Only once when I wore 5.0 mcg it happened. I had some dudes make a fist in my car window as I drove by. But with summer ammo and 2.5 mcg p75 is very well balanced.. Then again I’m over 35. I also am going out tonight with IS, Ammo reg, IO, and IH and having just worked out I am feeling great… I sure hope I have a great night. Feeling very positive not from the mones but because my body is reshaping, putting on a lot of muscle, taking off fat, and on a great supplement called JACK3d.. I feel wide awake tonight.. CNS is charged… Let’s see how i do… 😃 [EDIT] Got back from Swiss Chalet where K works (The girl who gave me her number and then flaked on me when I called)… anyways she was busy serving and hostessing but I hadn’t seen her in so long I was feeling very optimistic about all the things I could talk about… I wore 3 sprays IS, 1 spray reg ammo, 3 sprays IH, 3 sprays IO and went out 45 min later all dressed up and looking good. During the dinner seating talk was brief but towards the end when I left I caught a glimpse of her and approached her and we talked about 5 min non stop even though she was busy. I noticed she was more smiley, and more open and unguarded around me. She seemed to feel comfortable in my presence.. The only mistake I made is I let her end the conversation first but then again it wasn’t the end of the world of mistakes.. there’ll always be next time for me to be a bit better at playing hard to get. I thank Cool kat for his tips with the IH… She definitely responds to it. I will be sure to wear it to Swiss Chalet over the winter months as I get closer to her.. i think with her I’ll leave sex off the tables for a while, maybe till next spring when love is in the air… Right now I want to bond with her more initimately and I feel she’ll need more of a connection with me to feel intimate anyways. I did end the interaction with a handshake and a tickle of her inner palm with my finger simulatenously… She giggled after I did that.. I don’t think she expected me to shake her hand. Even so I had to put touch in there somehow. Also I think ammo saved me. Its hard to tell if its keeping me out of LJBF land with her but somehow I think with just the socials and no ammo I’d come across too beta. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-to-purchase-p75-p83-and-summer-ammo/57467/20 "2013-01-17T04:32:13Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > This^^ > > As far as what it will do P83 is known for making people act on the inhibitions or a disinhibitor molecule and from my experience that is what it does. **I am more of an introverted person but when wearing P83@15mcg with the above mix I find it hard not to talk and am always laughing and having fun. Find that it may boost the effects of the other mones as well.** > > **P75 I personally find to help with my own confidence and has a cool guy effect on girls and also what I call magnetism where girls will slowly work there way closer to you and stick around. I find 2.5mcg dosage works best for me.** Congratulations! This is EXACTLY what I have found. p83 disinhibits ME and my targets.. I think it makes p75 work even better.