# advanced section **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 14, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450 "2009-09-14T16:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/1 "2009-09-14T16:21:42Z")
Hey all, I’ve noticed a lot of different pheros under the advanced section including experimental, putative, and experimones… I was just wondering if there’s any descriptions of these or if there’s any info you can get on them before purchase? I’m still experimenting with the well-known ones and dont want these yet but would like to start learning more about them.🙂 Also any idea when AMMO will be back in the store ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/2 "2009-09-14T16:58:46Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > I’ve noticed a lot of different pheros under the advanced section including experimental, putative, and experimones… I was just wondering if there’s any descriptions of these or if there’s any info you can get on them before purchase? You don’t get more info on them than what’s there and that’s because they are _putatives_ and _experiones_ 🙂 The whole point with those is that they are still in the research phase, so the exact nature of them isn’t known. Androtics let the reporting/experienced users test & report on these to elucidate what consistent effects that are seen. The P’s & E’s are different to the instant lines as they are mostly single molecules that are thought to have pheromonal properties. As such they are not as easy to test as the well tested Instant lines & some of the Mx’s that have been around for a while. Alot of the P’s & E’s have effects that are more subtle than the Instant lines, some P’s & E’s have obvious effects when used alone, others don’t but act by enhancing the effects of other phero’s or by steering a combo in a certain direction. If you’re not very experienced or haven’t yet got a good grip on the instant’s and older Mx’s then it’s probably better to wait until you have a bit more experience as it _IS_ a bit harder to pick up on the effects of many of the P’s & E’s. It’s not that you aren’t allowed to buy them, but it’s no fun if you spend your money on something that you then don’t get your money’s worth from because you haven’t got your head around how to best test phero’s & how you pick up on subtle hits. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/3 "2009-09-14T17:09:45Z")
Are there certain Ps or Es that people seem to enjoy? Again I’m not going to buy any right away but doing research is always good. Just wondering if there are any Ps and Es that people have had good results with as far as a type for going to the club/bar and picking up girls. ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/4 "2009-09-14T17:53:05Z")
Most p’s and e’s are added to mixes to produce better results. But mixes vary in results from person to person due to differences in body chemistry and personality. If you want to try something new I’d start with mx’s. 203,292,301 are well known mixes. See if you can pick-up signals with those and use instant-line phero’s to further improve the results by matching the phero signature to yourself. Of course, I’d only recommend this if you are experienced and calibrated with the normal pheros 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/5 "2009-09-14T19:02:22Z")
ok that sounds good. I’ve been experimenting with A314, IH, IS and TUTH when applicable… I really want to try out AMMO too but its never in ☹ The only one i’ve tried alone is the A314 and did notice self effects quite obviously… should i do the instants i have solo too or should i just mix with 1-2 sprays? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/6 "2009-09-14T19:17:56Z")
You can take the name of any experimone, experimental mix or putative and put it in the search box to find out what effects have been reported. Notice at the top of your browser window that this is the “PheroTalk [Pheromone](https://a314.com/) Research Forum” Happy PheroHuntin’! ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/7 "2009-09-14T19:19:54Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > The only one i’ve tried alone is the A314 and did notice self effects quite obviously… should i do the instants i have solo too or should i just mix with 1-2 sprays? _ **Always** _ begin testing a phero on its own 🙂 How else will you know what effects you get from what, and how effects differ in subtle ways when using more than one (ie which subtle difference to attribute to which new component in a combo)? You need to find your own “sweet spot” for each phero before you start combining 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/8 "2009-09-14T19:34:28Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > _ **Always** _ begin testing a phero on its own 🙂 How else will you know what effects you get from what, and how effects differ in subtle ways when using more than one (ie which subtle difference to attribute to which new component in a combo)? > > You need to find your own “sweet spot” for each phero before you start combining 🙂 Yeaaa I knooow, I just really wanted to use em all lmao… I’ll start using them solo this week and see how they do. Thing is when I’m at work I really just want to use the A314 for it’s effects on confidence and how others perceive you. Maybe I’ll just shower after work, and if I hang with people use one of the instants solo (after shower) to find their effects and my sweet spots. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/9 "2009-09-14T20:38:09Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > Are there certain Ps or Es that people seem to enjoy? Again I’m not going to buy any right away but doing research is always good. > > Just wondering if there are any Ps and Es that people have had good results with as far as a type for going to the club/bar and picking up girls. p78 is probably the most blatant pheromone I’ve tried that delivers such obvious and wide ranging hits. But that’s just me, and p78 is just a single molecule. The instant products aren’t single molecules, they’re an engineered blend of several, geared to delivering the most consistent hits to presumably the largest number of people. I’ve no doubt you’ll want to go into this deeper at some point and experiment with putatives and MX’s but for now I’d stick with what you’ve got. If however you are still considering ordering a putative in your next order along with ammo when it comes back in stock, I’d suggest p78 – especially if you’re still thirsty for proof that pheromone work. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/10 "2009-09-14T20:40:00Z")
awesome, thanks a lot for that info… I AM a believer in all of this however I’m still waiting for good hits. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/11 "2009-09-14T20:55:53Z")
Yeah, and wait for reporter status because without it they’re expensive. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/12 "2009-09-14T21:03:30Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Yeah, and wait for reporter status because without it they’re expensive. Will do… honestly I hadn’t known there were different ‘status’… how do you gain the status? just rep points or time involved? thanks! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/13 "2009-09-14T21:14:26Z")
You just have to start reporting your results when going out wearing [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). It doesn’t matter if you get hits or not, just as long as you report. It helps Androtics come out with better products or possibly fix/change a product that isn’t too successful. You will then be rewarded with a discounted price on test molecules (P’s, T’s, and MX’s.) > [@lethalchead](#): > > Will do… honestly I hadn’t known there were different ‘status’… how do you gain the status? just rep points or time involved? thanks! ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/14 "2009-09-14T21:15:48Z")
great, thanks. I’ll start testing them individually this week ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/15 "2009-09-14T21:23:50Z")
It does make a difference, especially when your phero habit is as bad as mine. I think I’m addicted to the reactions I see. I used to be a complete wall flower trying to blend in. Now I enjoy watching people get upbeat and chatty and fun when moments earlier they were grumpy and miserable. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/16 "2009-09-14T22:05:35Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > It does make a difference, especially when your phero habit is as bad as mine. I think I’m addicted to the reactions I see. I used to be a complete wall flower trying to blend in. Now I enjoy watching people get upbeat and chatty and fun when moments earlier they were grumpy and miserable. 😃 I completely agree! I love having a positive effect on everyone I come into contact with. It seems like every interaction is a test. I try to see what I can do to put a positive spin on everyones day if I can! It makes them feel better and makes me feel better for doing good for someone else! At work the A314 has people coming to me with their problems, so I am trying diffrent mixes to make them leave at least in a good mood. If I can help the problem all the better! ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/17 "2009-09-14T22:23:02Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > I completely agree! I love having a positive effect on everyone I come into contact with. It seems like every interaction is a test. I try to see what I can do to put a positive spin on everyones day if I can! It makes them feel better and makes me feel better for doing good for someone else! At work the A314 has people coming to me with their problems, so I am trying diffrent mixes to make them leave at least in a good mood. If I can help the problem all the better! I couldn’t agree more! ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/18 "2009-09-14T23:23:36Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > Hey all, > > I’ve noticed a lot of different pheros under the advanced section including experimental, putative, and experimones… I was just wondering if there’s any descriptions of these or if there’s any info you can get on them before purchase? I’m still experimenting with the well-known ones and dont want these yet but would like to start learning more about them.🙂 > [@Diane's Phero Notes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360): > > These are my compiled research notes based on my post searches and also based on my own and my husband’s experimentation. Please feel free to add to this post, correct where needed and add your own experiences with any of these. Forgive me for not crediting anyone for the work you’ve done, which I’ve unashamedly stolen for the compilation below. You all have my gratitude as do each of those who continue to test, test, test, and report on these and other molecules. Pheromones notes: A314/m –… > [@\-none, -rone, -nol explained](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-rone-nol-explained/7720): > > Here is a description of all of these found on another site and as a newB I found it to be very helpful: Androstenone (a.k.a -none, Anone): Signals dominance and aggression, quite competitive. -none is often associated with a sexual response, but by no means exclusively. Androstenol (a.k.a -nol, Anol): Signals youth, and sociability, often induces lots of talking, friendliness and comfort. As it often seems to cause conversation, it can be a good ice breaker. Androsterone (a.k.a -rone, … > [@Individual Pheromone Characteristics](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/individual-pheromone-characteristics/23993): > > So far, some of the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) I’ve been testing and working with seem to have very strong individual characteristics. All of these can sort of be categorized symbolically (at least I do that!). These pheromones could each easily become a dominant theme or signature. Of course, they can and are used together in mixes, but these pheromones don’t seem to lose their individuality much, even in mixes. Alpha Androstenol - Song Bird - happy but mindless communication Beta Androstenol - Singing Wh… Not to be taken as accurate answers to their effects (especially the putatives /experimental pheromones). Don’t read them if you want to ‘blind test’ putatives… ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/19 "2009-09-14T23:25:17Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > [Diane's Phero Notes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360) > [-none, -rone, -nol explained](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-rone-nol-explained/7720) > [Individual Pheromone Characteristics](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/individual-pheromone-characteristics/23993) > > Not to be taken as accurate answers to their effects (especially the putatives /experimental pheromones). Don’t read them if you want to ‘blind test’ putatives… great, thank you! I’ll keep those links and looka t them later when i decide if i want to blind test them first or not. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450/20 "2009-09-14T23:30:11Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > great, thank you! I’ll keep those links and looka t them later when i decide if i want to blind test them first or not. Blind testing is a lot of fun! Sort of like opening a christmas present from a relative you never see. It could be something you’ve been really wanting or it could be another ugly oversized sweater. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) was great fun the first time I tested it. Won’t tell you the experience but it proved that pheros work (even if I wasn’t doubting their effectiveness). [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advanced-section/32450.md?page=2)