# Advice for a bi-girl **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 23, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853 "2007-11-23T03:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SinChicago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@SinChicago](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SinChicago)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/1 "2007-11-23T03:16:54Z")
Hi all! I didn’t see any thing listed for women attracting women, does anyone have any advice/thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/2 "2007-11-23T03:48:10Z")
There are no products that are specific to women attracting women here. Most testers have found that the same products that you would use to attract a man is what you would use to attract a bi women. Generally I think of it this way. Females make all the same natural mones at different levels depending on age, diet, ect. If a female is attracted by those mones then it only makes sense to use the same products as females use to attract males. So you would use the female products Alot of women do use some of the mens products once in a while One which has been tested by women and liked alot is called dirty. Its anone and cops a mix of the classic male and female mones. I have found that [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A attracts both men and women. All of the socials work on both men and women. Social are products like IO IH IShine. I have seen products on the market that are geared toward women attracting women. They contain all the same mones as I have mentioned above. They are just marketing the same mones to a specific target group as a marketing ploy. Just my opinion 😉 Tish ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/3 "2007-11-23T06:12:13Z")
From what I’ve read from ladies interested in picking up other ladies, TUTH, IFM, IH seem to have worked really well for them. TUTH will arouse both you and other women you come into contact with. IFM functions as a female relaxant and they feel really comfortable with you. IH causes deep conversation and can be useful when asking them about their sexuality. Use a fragrance of your choice as cover scent and away you go. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 11:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/4 "2007-11-23T11:04:51Z")
> [@](#): > > TUTH will arouse both you and other women you come into contact with. Ahh yes TUTH how could I forget about that one 😛 . It does arouse women. I suppose if a women was attracted to another women it would be good to use. Just dont use the same dose as the men use. I would go with dabs instead of sprays because when a women wears to much none it just makes them bitchy. Good call Pheraoh 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/5 "2007-11-23T17:09:48Z")
As an enthusiast of girl on girl relations it’s important for me to know these things. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/6 "2007-11-23T18:10:54Z")
I would tend to think that the pheros to use would depend on the type of woman you are looking to attract. I could be wrong, since this is out of my scope, but it seems to make sense that if you are trying to attract another bi female, then something like Instant Sexiness, Ammo, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), IFM and maybe TUTH would work well. My reasoning here is that you whould be putting out a combination of sexxy woman and male pheromone signature and appealing to both the male and female preference of your targets. But, if you are trying to attract a butch type lesbian, then something along the lines of Instant Sexiness and Lust After Me. The obvious reasoning here is that you are appealing solely to the female preference side. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/7 "2007-11-23T22:53:01Z")
Very intuitive Mark. Its hard to predict which products would work best. This area of mones usage here is still rather new and we dont have alot of Bi or gay/lesbian users. At least not many who report. Just think SinC you can be a pioneer in mone research 😉 Keep in mind here at androtics they have a 200% guarantee and they sell small To-go products at a really good price so you can try them out and see what works best for you. I am still leaning towards IS/A with maybe a dab or 2 of TUTH and some IH. This way you are coving all the bases. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/8 "2007-11-23T23:04:00Z")
Why thank you Tisha, I guess I’ll call off rash boy now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/9 "2007-11-24T03:42:54Z")
Tater has MANY lesbian friends and can tell you with confidence that [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) is not the best phero for this case, especially not with a lipstick lesbian. Most of my friends arent butch, but it still doesnt seem like the right choice. Not paying attention to whats available to newbies, Tater would suggest a combination of CTTM/Instant Honesty/beta-androstenol, TAC, TAL, TAH, EST, TAA, P86, P83 and MEO-EST, possibly a touch of copulins. Then, composite with a powder, vanilla, rose or mint ethereal fragrance. If shes a paler-skinned Caucasian, especially with freckles, add P93. Avoid TAK, androstenone, androsterone, P74 and P83 used without P86. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/10 "2007-11-24T04:21:22Z")
On a somewhat-related note, lipstick lesbians tend to not like switch-hitters very much, and if youre planning to have your boyfriend or husband pop out so you can see what its like or make him happy, you might be surprised. Bi-curious women are generally not well-received and ive witnessed some relatively violent responses. For some women, the thought of male fluids, flaking skin, even another woman being penetrated by a man causes a physically negative reaction. Thats why i advise against androstenone. It wont make a real lesbian “hot.” A touch of copulins will, but if its too much of a dirty scent, that will be a turn-off more than a turn-on. Lesbians (not the curious ones) are nuts over prettiness, beauty. When a lesbian woman is attracted to another, its much more adoration of her body than it is lust, and when she touches another woman, shes simultaneously imagining that shes making love to her own body. Womanly, curvy, motherly, enveloping. Those are the things you need to go for. One night out with his lipstick friends, Tater tried a heavy EST/MEO-EST/TAC/Instant Honesty 4x/[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) blend with Hanae Mori. One friend curled up very close and whispered if i had labia, she would be making me scream her name. Oh, i should also mention that Instant Female Magic is useful, but takes away sexual edge too. You can IFM a woman into comfort, openness and maybe more sharing that shes already feeling sexual, but you cant make her sexual with IFM…at least not at the 8x dosage i tried…maybe 16x or higher. I know this sounds weird coming from a guy, but the social cues for lesbians are much different than what you might think. Theres a lot more power struggle, a lot more adoration and a lot more neediness than most heterosexual relationships. And there can also be outright revulsion for certain shows of masculinity. I find it so funny when a guy makes an obnoxious pass at one of my lipstick friends, especially the ones who know theyre lesbian and think theyre closer to a threesome when theres a roomful of them. I think that kind of attitude mostly works with bi-curious women who get a thrill out of having done something kinky. To get close to a real lesbian, a guy needs to be beautiful, not like a caveman. Oh, and the butch-femme thing is all power play. Some women accept that they arent very beautiful, but they enjoy acting like a man in adoring another woman, partly feeling that the femme’s body is their body. The femme, meanwhile, loves being adored and being the center of the party. Note that some butch women are VERY crude, like an overexaggeration of a male player intent on having his prey. Tater would tell you that he has a similar theory about homosexual men, but since he has far fewer gay male friends to assess, he will shuffle along. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/11 "2007-11-24T04:23:44Z")
My guess would be that a male pheromone signature on a woman may be ok for bi women, but not for gay women who have been trained (for lack of a better word) to respond to female [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). None od amounts of androstenone in LS gel packs caused problems for a friend of mine after I had convinced her and her gf to try them. This year I’m gifting them the instant line for Christmas, hopefully with better results. As Tisha said, try small dabs if you’re going to try it. A forum search might pull up a few posts with relevant info and products to try. But, my advice would be to skip it and just try the instant line products first. ---
**Author:** ![SinChicago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@SinChicago](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SinChicago)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/12 "2007-11-24T05:01:06Z")
Thanks, you are all starting to get a bit too technical for me, I worry. I am bi not lesbian and lesbians definitly have an adverse reaction to bisexuals. Yes, VERY fem and only fem. One of the technical posts was about adding something if I was pale…why is that different? I am very pale (no freckles) with dark blonde hair, but not sure why that matters. Any explination you can add would be helpful. On another site I read about mixing Androstenone Fragrance Additive and copulins,but that was only one user reporting it and she mixed it herself, being a beginner I am leery of mixing stuff day one. I am only looking for fem women and while yeah my bf joins me on occasion we have such trysts often enough that I was not factoring him into this equation, I was more or less trying to cut down on my personal approach anxiety with women. Currectly I almost exclusively rely on him to do the pick-up work and I am trying to do more myself. I am exceptionally shy around women whereas with men I have no fear at all. Just trying to ease into this and once I get a little bit of confidence then I will be more than happy to mix this that and the other, smile. Thanks to everyone so far for their suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/13 "2007-11-24T05:34:03Z")
Hi 🙂 Instant sexiness does cause a confident self effect and in my opinion would be perfect, it is more of a broad range product and can be worn in more everyday type of situations. (home, work and out) Instant openness or instant honesty are both great for conversation, openness being more fun chatty and honesty is more depth/connection. Have you read the sticky post titled Womens [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) Guide? A bit of reading will help you to understand the products and which might work for you. If you’re still unsure the to go size bottles are a great way to test more products before committing to a full size purchase. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/14 "2007-11-24T05:56:37Z")
I suspect you’re the pioneer in this case, Sin. It’s more a case of what you’re comfortable experimenting with than having someone who’s been there and done that pointing out a well-worn path. After a while, you’ll be the expert and can guide others past the eddies and whirlpools of your experience. For self-effect, I think very highly of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). The forum wimmin can give you better advice on the self-effect of A314 (original, as well as versions tailored for females.) Just a hunch, but you might want to try applying both EST and A-1 and scouting the results: EST for your boyfriend, A-1 for your female targets. They will temper one another, and you might find the results advantageous. It would be great to hear your adventures: successes and missteps. Please come back to tell some of your stories. Cheers, MarkL ---
**Author:** ![NancysBoy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nancysboy/32/391_2.png) [@NancysBoy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NancysBoy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 8:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/15 "2007-11-24T08:13:29Z")
I created a mix for attracting bi-women, attracting bi-women to a man, however, might be a little different than attacting them to a woman. The stuff works fine on bi-women, and on lots of other women, too. 😛 > [@Mature Mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-mix/6133/12): > > 🙂😉🆒The initial ‘putative’ target is a bisexual woman I work with, about age 35. But in testing I found the mix is much more general in its appeal, so to speak. > [@HELP! I'm attracting older women!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-im-attracting-older-women/6040/51): > > NB’s Mature Mix 🆒 > [Mature Mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mature-mix/6133) > > TAH 2 sprays 2.5 mcg x2 = 5 mcg 😛 > P79 2 sprays 12.5 mcg x2 = 25 mcg > P74 2 sprays 12.5 mcg x2 = 25 mcg > EST 2 sprays 50 mcg x2 = 100 mcg 😠 > > Looking at it this way, I feel like I’ll increase the amount of TAH next time, and consider reducing EST - I get self-effects from the EST and need to stop myself from hugging people." I’m testing the second version now, but it’s too early to report, sorry.:o ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 11:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/16 "2007-11-24T11:12:07Z")
> [@SinChicago](#): > > Thanks, you are all starting to get a bit too technical for me, I worry. I am bi not lesbian and lesbians definitly have an adverse reaction to bisexuals. Yes, VERY fem and only fem. One of the technical posts was about adding something if I was pale…why is that different? I am very pale (no freckles) with dark blonde hair, but not sure why that matters. Any explination you can add would be helpful. On another site I read about mixing Androstenone Fragrance Additive and copulins,but that was only one user reporting it and she mixed it herself, being a beginner I am leery of mixing stuff day one. > > I am only looking for fem women and while yeah my bf joins me on occasion we have such trysts often enough that I was not factoring him into this equation, I was more or less trying to cut down on my personal approach anxiety with women. Currectly I almost exclusively rely on him to do the pick-up work and I am trying to do more myself. I am exceptionally shy around women whereas with men I have no fear at all. > > Just trying to ease into this and once I get a little bit of confidence then I will be more than happy to mix this that and the other, smile. Thanks to everyone so far for their suggestions! Sin Im sorry I know your probably getting a little confused with all these ADVANCED formulas being suggested to you. Start out simple though with the consumer products. If you find you enjoy them and want to test advanced mixes like the guys have suggested then you will have some experience by then and be less confused. It really does take some experience to mix mones to get the desired effect and what works well for one person may not work well for another with the advanced products. I would copy those mixes and investigate them later though because Taters and NB usually have some pretty good mixes going. I think this is what you should start with. In to-go bottles get… [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A, TUTH, IH,IO and some Ishine. The TUTH being a mens product that arouses women will help both you, your BF, and arouse other women who may be interested in “getting together”. Instant sexiness A attracts both men and women. Men in a slight sexual interest manner. Women in a more friendly manner in my experience. You need to meet them before the possiblity of other things happening opens up, right. IH will help them open up about how they feel on the subject if you choose to bring that subject up. Instant shine will help them just feel happy and comfortable. IO will help both you and other women be more chatty. You mentioned you a bit shy with other women. These are all good well balanced consumer tested products and are the best place to start. > [@](#): > > Yes, VERY fem and only fem. One of the technical posts was about adding something if I was pale…why is that different? I am very pale (no freckles) with dark blonde hair, but not sure why that matters. Dont worry about this. On the grand scale it dosnt matter. My friends and myself all use the same products effectively and we all are very different. There are some testers like Tater who are very intuitive and pick up on small differences with the products. They are very useful to someone who is really into mones, mixing and experienced but thats something you should visit later. Definatly pay attention to there posts though and keep the info for use at a later time. If you need any help just let me know my PM box is always open to the members. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/17 "2007-11-26T07:52:14Z")
Tater apologizes for the advanced recommendations. This is a wild thought, but im thinking A314 + heavy (2-4x) [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) or Lust After Me, worn by a woman, would draw in bi-curious women. ---
**Author:** ![SinChicago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@SinChicago](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SinChicago)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/18 "2007-12-03T20:21:37Z")
OK I must have done something wrong??? I ripped open my package, went nuts before I went to a club Friday night and the results were amazingly horrid. I wore a small dab of [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/), instane openness, instant honesty and Female majic. 30 minutes after I put them on I started throwing up, my head was spinning and the women i spoke with were mean and nasty to me, the men barely noticed me…tat has NEVER happened to me before. When I got home showered and the sickness went away. Saturday I just tried a little little little instant sexiness and again felt VERY dizzy and threw up and both days my bf was an incorrigible jerk as long as I had the stuff on, once I cleaned it off he was his usual sweet self and I was fine again. I am just a little with instant openness today and I see no results at all. Help! ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/19 "2007-12-03T22:14:15Z")
Very interesting response - I haven’t heard that one before. I have heard of people getting dizzy during or depressed after their first few uses of pheromones, but not throwing up … Let’s see if we can track down the problem … do you often wear perfume? Are you sensitive to strong odors or alcoholic sprays? Did they smell bad to you? About the boyfriend - sometimes those closest to us resist a change in our pherosignature. Some men simply don’t respond well to either TAL (that’s in I/Sexi A) or TAH and have a strong preference for one over the other. Why women who don’t know you would be mean and nasty, I couldn’t say … ?? especially since you were only wearing a tiny amount of these things. ---
**Author:** ![Katie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a4c791/32.png) [@Katie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katie)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853/20 "2007-12-03T22:36:47Z")
SinC…I got really sick to my stomach from the [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) when I sprayed too much on myself. I could smell it in my room for days and felt sick all week! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-for-a-bi-girl/6853.md?page=2)