# Advice needed on signature switch **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 9, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339 "2014-03-09T22:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/1 "2014-03-09T22:19:00Z")
I know it’s usually not adviced to switch signatures with your target girl too much, but in this case I think I have no choice. **Here’s the story:** I hooked up with a girl (27 yrs, 8/10 in hotness, brunette) last week in a very disinhibited environment (a lot of alcohol involved) with a basic TUTH + P83 mix. I had been wearing 3 sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) during the day, but by the time I met her it was at least 10 hours after application. Maybe there was some residue but not much I think. It definitely was the TUTH + P83 that I applied in the bathroom that got her on the hook. 2 sprays of Heat, 40-50 mcg P83. She was with the crew I was with in this bar, and I saw her eye-fucking me from a distance. I had never spoken to her before this night, but turns out she’s a friend of a friend of mine. Went for a talk, got a little light rapport, took her hand and danced with her. After some dancing I pulled her aside and went for the kiss. Kisses were very animalistic and I started some hairpulling and was basically feeling her up right there in the bar. Took her outside to get some privacy and we went on a little adventure in the park. Escalated physically as much as was sane in winter weather. I could tell she was super turned on by me cause she moaned like crazy when I touched her down there. Could’ve easily gone for a ONS that night if logistics weren’t working against me. Also didn’t forget to get some deeper rapport in. Turns out we have some mutual interests and hobbies. She was a bit awestruck and was constantly telling me she couldn’t believe she’d never met me before, as we have some mutual friends. For the rest our conversation was very playful and filled with innuendo’s. By the end of the night she actually asked my number before I had the chance to ask hers. Waited for 2 days before initiating some playful texting, referring back to our little adventure in the park. Ever since we’ve been texting every other day. I’m keeping it light, short and playful and she’s been responding well to this. I never found excessive texting does any good. After the first time I texted her, she’s been doing the initiating mainly. Still have to ask her, but I’m planning to set up a date next weekend in a nice coffee place. This is where I need your advice. What mix should I go with? I can never wear unbuffered TUTH + P83 in this environment in my opinion. Maybe I can leave a _little_ TUTH in there, but I need to buffer it with something to make it more acceptable. Also: I want to display a broader set of qualities than a pure horndog vibe. She’s working and due to some things she said during our night and her age I have reasons to think she has a more serious outlook on life. She’s not a party girl - maybe she once was. My goal for the date is make her fall for me hard. Not immediately thinking about a LTR here - I’m keeping an open mind. If she becomes a fuck buddy I’m totally pleased with that too. But let there be no doubt about it: I want to get in her pants eventually. If not on this date, I can be patient. I obviously need to re-establish attraction, but I also want to get some deep rapport in. After that I’ll just see where things take me. **Mixes I was thinking about:** A314 1 drop (my sweet spot) IH 2 sprays P74 12,5 mcg TUTH 1 spray Optional: add more TUTH + P83 later if things head in the right direction. IShine maybe added to the base mix The tricky part here is the A314. She knows me as the sexy naughty TUTH boy. My experience with A314 is that it can be pretty serious around younger girls, but she’s right at the age where I think A314 might make her see me in all the right ways. **The second option** I was considering involves P75 instead of A314. P75 is more masculine/sexy and less serious than A314. But it doesn’t have the imprinting/fallout effects of A314. It only screams one quality: I’M A MAN! Some girls like it, some it scares away. Same with A314. The problem is: I don’t know if she likes A314 or P75 better. I can also go with something more simple like Ammo + P96, but this doesn’t display the right qualities and is maybe to light I think. What would you guys go with in this particular situation? Thanks in advance! ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/2 "2014-03-09T23:15:48Z")
Your right not to go with your p83 + Tuth mix because 1# your not going to be in a suitable environment for that mix to be acceptable and #2 you have know idea of where she is in her cycle now which could massively backfire. I actually think your first mix seems pretty spot on, you could replace IH with p96 to take things into a more romantic direction. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/3 "2014-03-09T23:54:25Z")
Hi Himeros, I sense you want to use the a314. I get it. Love it. I like your mix, seems right on. If you want to use the a314, maybe put that on early in the day when you are going out. Then before your date, use your mix but with the p75. Everything else looks good to go. Let us know what you decide and how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/4 "2014-03-09T23:58:20Z")
27 looks fine for a lowish dose of A314 - unless she is irredeemably immature. Some IS might help you over the hump of this bridge between sigs, then drop back to your new mix. ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/5 "2014-03-10T06:38:29Z")
maybe a little A1 if you have it as well. from what I understand A314 and A1 is a good start to a good fallout mix. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/6 "2014-03-10T15:10:49Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > #2 you have know idea of where she is in her cycle now which could massively backfire. Yeah I thought about this. As she was so intesely horny last week, I figured she was probably ovulating, which means upcoming weekend is her period. Bummer. Unless she’s on birth control pills. A lot of girls are nowadays. > [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > I actually think your first mix seems pretty spot on, you could replace IH with p96 to take things into a more romantic direction. You think combining both would be too much? I always thought P96 was a molecule that enhances the entire mix, birdging the gaps between all other products. > [@CelticPrince](#): > > I like your mix, seems right on. If you want to use the a314, maybe put that on early in the day when you are going out. Then before your date, use your mix but with the p75. Everything else looks good to go. I read a lot of your reports and this technique seems to work really well for you. I’ll keep it in mind, but for now I think A314 **and** [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is probably too heavy in one mix for a younger guy like me. Especially since I also want some TUTH in there. I’m afraid it will become an over the top masculine vibe - something that works when entering a bar maybe, not so much in a one-on-one. > [@mobocaster](#): > > 27 looks fine for a lowish dose of A314 - unless she is irredeemably immature. You think I need to up the A314 dosage to 2 drops when I add TUTH? I usually don’t combine these two. Or will the IH+IS+P74 be good enough moderators for the androstenone? > [@Kodocha](#): > > maybe a little A1 if you have it as well. from what I understand A314 and A1 is a good start to a good fallout mix. Thanks for the suggestion. Don’t have any A1 currently, IH + P74 is my A1 replacement. I’ll maybe test some Cohesion in the future. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/7 "2014-03-10T18:08:05Z")
No I don’t think you need to up the A314 - Keep it at your planned one drop, initially anyway and yes, the IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) will be a good moderator. IS won’t moderate much but its feelgood factor will help the mix hang together all the right ways. If you do go the A1 route, use either A1 or IH/P74 - not both or you will drown the TUTH entirely! ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/8 "2014-03-10T18:38:09Z")
I totally like your initial mix, you got the sexual (to remind her of the adventure in the park) but it’s softened by the IH & [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). The glue in this mix is the A314 at ONE drop (your sweet spot), especially if she’s a more serious skirt with goals in life; she’s going to want the same in you (call it mirroring of sorts) as opposed to a clueless boy simply looking for pussy randomly. You are different, YOU have intent & a road map to your goals, while remaining FUN! Maybe the IS would be appropriate in low dose, keep her happy 😃 Happy hunting fella! ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-needed-on-signature-switch/61339/9 "2014-03-10T19:28:16Z")
Himeros, p96 is like betanol on steroids to me, there are a few subtle differences but it’s definitely has strong bonding properties, adding IH would be pointless imo you don’t want to make things too serious.