# Advice on "first date" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 31, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591 "2008-08-31T21:48:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/1 "2008-08-31T21:48:44Z")
There is this woman I have been watching in this bar-restaurant near my house for the whole summer. I saw her again today (she must be between 32-37 max),while I had lunch with a milf friend of mine(39) ,her gay friend(40),and another woman (40 years old) The woman was also with a gay friend(doesn’t show that he is gay but he is.We confirmed that with our gay friend and the other woman we had with us.She knows him) I dint stop staring a her for 1.5 hours.She looked at me approximately 5-7 times . I was Anyways,I know this guy that knows her ,and intend to make a hit this week. What should I wear ??? She is the kind of woman I could easily fall in love ,and since I got burned some 8 months ago by an older woman than me,would like to make a definite nice dominating presence. Im 33 Have : Honestyx4 , Openessx2 , Turn Up The Heat ,ammo ,A314 ,shine Thnanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/2 "2008-09-01T01:33:54Z")
Hi Robert. Well if you want to project a “dominating presence” I would think A314. And the experts on here say that you can be a bit more liberal with the TUTH the older a woman is. (I’d like some expert opinions myself actually on A314 and potential attraction in older women - it is a subject that I am _very_ interested in…) What sort of things do you know about the woman’s personality, the sort of things she likes doing, etc.? Well, I know you are relying on reports from friends here, but what clues can you glean about her from the grapevine? I guess you may want to add a layer of either IO or IH for sure - maybe even both, I dunno. Just thinking about that whole IO vs. IH thing, and how it might factor into your initial hit. Fun-loving and light, or more deep and mysterious? Well, I have been reading loads of threads on alpha- and betanol recently… I need to check out the IH (got IO already). ---
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 9:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/3 "2008-09-01T09:48:37Z")
Definatelly IO. I am not sure about a314 though . Was thinking of ammo and IS. What do you think ? ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/4 "2008-09-01T15:46:12Z")
Gotta keep it light and fun, use [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Shine and ammo. I wouldn’t use Instant Honesty or A314 when meeting someone new, you may come across as square. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/5 "2008-09-01T16:24:06Z")
> [@robert1940](#): > > There is this woman I have been watching in this bar-restaurant near my house for the whole summer. > > I dint stop staring a her for 1.5 hours.She looked at me approximately 5-7 times . > > What should I wear ??? She is the kind of woman I could easily fall in love ,and since I got burned some 8 months ago by an older woman than me,would like to make a definite nice dominating presence. > > Have : Honestyx4 , Openessx2 , Turn Up The Heat ,ammo ,A314 ,shine > > Thnanks in advance Well, if you’ve been watching her all summer and haven’t made a move sooner and she’s caught on to it, I think you may have your work cutout for you. First thing you have to do is provide a viable excuse for not making a move sooner. Something like saying that you were in a long distance relationship that you were trying to make work may be ok. Please don’t take this wrong, but staring at her for 1 1/2 hours straight doesn’t really sound like it was a good thing to do, and if she only looked at you 5 to 7 times, that would be around once every 13 minutes and does not sound real promising. As to being the kind of woman you could easily fall in love with, it doesn’t sound like you really don’t know her well enough to know that, but you’re wanting to think she is. I’m not trying to burst your bubble, just trying keep it real and point out a few potential obstacles I see which you may need to overcome, and point out that while you think you could easily fall for her, it doesn’t sound like you really know much about her and are making that call from the outside looking in. Once you start getting to know her, you may feel entirely different. My suggestions, and again they are only suggestions, would be to take her off the pedestal you seem to have placed her on and see her for what she really is: a woman that you are interested in getting to know to see if there is any chemistry between you and if she is someone that is worthy of you. As to pheros, from what you have I would suggest 3 drops of A314, 3 to 4 sprays of Ammo, around 4 sprays of Instant Shine, and maybe 2 sprays of Instant Openness. I am actually thinking that [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) would be a great compliment and may suit you better than A314, but as you don’t have it, I guess it’s not really a choice. Good luck! Just remember, you don’t want to try qualifying yourself to her, but getting her to want to qualify herself to you. ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/6 "2008-09-01T16:29:34Z")
Yeah I guess you’re right about the A314 Wildflower. It is probably better to go for the ammo/Ishine combo in that situation. Do you really think the IH might make one look square to someone you’ve just met? I am terribly interested in all the IH and betanol threads and have my itchy finger hovering over the ‘buy’ button at the Androtics store. But I have all sorts of other financial obligations to sort out first, soon though… I intend to experiment with some 4x IH or something. Maybe it is a good thing to tweak the IO to IH ratio on progressive dates (or other engineered encounters), so that one starts off all IO’d up, light and fun, and then gets a deep, “mystical” and meaningful thing going subsequently, from what the posters are saying here about IH and its connection-building properties. Depends on the target’s personality I guess. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/7 "2008-09-01T16:37:30Z")
Since she’s in her 30s … you have to wear at least 2 drops of A314, 'cause it’s just right for the MATURE MAN! That fella in DALLAS gave you good advice. He always does. Annnnnnd … AMMO and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) makes a great combo … add in some Instant Openess to that combo and conversation and smiles just appear from the floor. 😉 Replace Instant Openess with Honesty, and she may whisper to you that she’s not wearing any panties OR she use to be a man named Walley. _Always test your NEW combo days in advance when hunting for a specific target._ Feedback is what you need. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/8 "2008-09-01T16:41:28Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > That fella in DALLAS gave you good advice. He always does. And, the same holds true for the candy coated chocolate guys advice. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/9 "2008-09-01T17:27:12Z")
thanks dudes Dallas you are right with your calculations.look per 13 minutes BUT she saw me with my girlfriend one time and second she saw me with my milf friend wich is always kissing me in public and caressing me … I ll definately go with A314 . I am thinking: 1 drop A314 2 sprays openness 1 ammo 2 shine then carry with me a314 and add 1 drop per hour +1 spray ammo per hour That all if I get to see her again in the next week … I dont think there is going to be a date or anything. Ill just see her in the bar ,and will go directly talk to her. My line is going to be to the point: " Lets have a drink" What do you think ? ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/10 "2008-09-01T18:05:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Do you really think the Instant Honesty might make one look square to someone you’ve just met? No Instant Honesty will not make you look square what I meant is the [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) will make you look anything but square. A314 and Instant Honesty is a great combo but I wouldn’t use it at a first date because you want to keep things light and friendly with some sexual tension in there as well. instant Openness will reduce any akward silences and make you both feel more comfortable and at ease. When wearing either Instant Honesty or Instant Openness with ammo I notice that the conversation is often steered towards sexual topics, I’m suprised how willing girls are to talk about sex casually I use to believe otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/11 "2008-09-01T21:02:06Z")
Im thinkin that if he had some mx203 that could work better than ammo in this situation. ive read many great things about it and seems that it is better in many situations, better than ammo… cant wait to try it out myself 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/12 "2008-09-01T21:03:14Z")
> [@robert1940](#): > > I am thinking: > > 1 drop A314 > 2 sprays openness > 1 ammo > 2 shine > > then carry with me A314 and add 1 drop per hour +1 spray ammo per hour > > That all if I get to see her again in the next week … > > My line is going to be to the point: " Lets have a drink" > > What do you think ? I would start with 2 drops of A314. Actually, I would go with 3, but that’s me. And I would bump up the levels of Ammo and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) too. I am older than you and can handle higher levels of None, but at your age I still think you’re safe in bumping the Ammo, especially when taking the A314 buffers into account. As to your opening line, it’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![robert1940](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@robert1940](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/robert1940)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-on-first-date/18591/13 "2008-09-01T21:44:59Z")
damn !!! Just came back from bar-restaurant with same friends I went to hunt for that chick . Guess what !! I saw her and she is f^(g stunning I saw her leaving the place … Wich made me think that when I see her again I have to be prpared to throw my alpha male bullshit to her Definately Ill use your advice Dallas boy I know that you are a none junky like me… I do well with high none too 🙂 Ill carry PI with me as well. The chick needs c\*@k big time .. Thanks everybody