# Advice: women read me as weak or a jerk, is my natural pheromone turning them off? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 8, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854 "2009-03-08T17:23:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lawguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@lawguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lawguy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/1 "2009-03-08T17:23:05Z")
Ok, here is my issue, I am not generally experienced in using [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/), but I have dabbled in the past with limited results. When I did use them in the past, a friend told me that I smelled really bad which resulted in me ceasing the experiment. The Problem that I am having is with the opposite sex. It seems no matter what I do, I am perceived by women in a negative light. When I am passive an relaxed I am perceived as weak and when I am talkative, I am perceived as a jerk and offensive, even though to outside observers verify that I was neither. One of my hypophysis is that my natural Pheromone tuns women off. I am average looking, friendly and smart and do not have problems approaching women, but have seen people with fewer attributes be much more successful than I. What would you all recommend I try, if my hypotheses, correct to help counter the above. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/2 "2009-03-08T17:35:13Z")
It would help if you could tell us what product you used that didn’t smell good. > [@](#): > > when I am talkative, I am perceived as a jerk and offensive, You cant be seen as a jerk and offensive unless you actually say something offensive, act pompous or insensitive. If your not being offensive then I can see why you may think its your natural mones. > [@](#): > > When I am passive an relaxed I am perceived as weak There is also a difference between being Passive and weak and being laid back and quiet. Some of the strongest men of character I know are quiet men. So by being passive do you mean your quiet or do you mean you let people walk all over you and have there way all the time ? I am not trying to offend you LOL But when you give more info it makes it easier to suggest products that will fit you and work well. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![lawguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@lawguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lawguy)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/3 "2009-03-08T17:56:32Z")
The Product I used was Primal unscented 5 mg androstenone. > [@tisha23](#): > > It would help if you could tell us what product you used that didn’t smell good. > > You cant be seen as a jerk and offensive unless you actually say something offensive, act pompous or insensitive. If your not being offensive then I can see why you may think its your natural mones. > > I generally make a point to not say offensive things or act pompous. An example would be, that I could have the same conversion with a women as two other people, but the reaction to my conversation may lead to a visceral reaction. > > There is also a difference between being Passive and weak and being laid back and quiet. Some of the strongest men of character I know are quiet men. > > So by being passive do you mean your quiet or do you mean you let people walk all over you and have there way all the time ? > > I am not trying to offend you LOL But when you give more info it makes it easier to suggest products that will fit you and work well. > > Tisha When I refer to being passive, I am referring to being being laid back and quiet. Fortunately, it is not in my character to allow people walk over me. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/4 "2009-03-08T18:54:08Z")
people vary in their ability to smell anone. Some can’t smell it. To some it smells like vanilla. To others like cat urine. Women in their fertile phase generally like it. At other times they may get irritable when exposed to it. An anone based product you might consider is ammo. It is buffered with other pheormones to take off some of the raw edge, and comes in a cologne cover that makes the smell of anone unnoticible to most people. You may also consider rone products. rone will give you a more powerful, but not overtly sexual, masculine aura. a314 and IG are both rone-based. A314 gives more high-status, IG more capable and comforting. Either generally will help to make what you say listened to and accepted. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/5 "2009-03-08T21:00:07Z")
I also consider [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) a safer bet for general use than hard core androstenone based products like Primal, NPA, TE, etc. Unlike Primal, Ammo is not an androstenone product per se. Instead, it is an even balance of social, masculine and sensual mones (androstenol, androsterone & androstenone). In other words, its verbal/friendly enhancement is on an even keel with it’s sexual/manly attributes. It’s hard to go wrong with Ammo unless you have an unusually high natural androstenone profile or an overly aggressive persona. Plus it has an integrated cologne to cover the mone stink. TAA based products like IS may help soften the sharp edges in your persona. As for the perceptions of you either being too weak/passive or an overbearing jerk, that’s a tricky one to nail without seeing you in action. Perhaps there is a middle ground between the two extremes and hopefully that middle ground is your natural persona? Women immediately sense when you’re playing them and both overdoing it or holding back can score big negative impressions. A behavior which scores big points is to actually listen carefully to her when she talks. Women love it when a guy listens, understands and answers back. Makes a huge connection. I’m guessing if you’re too talkative it might be misconstrued as not interested in listening to her and you may come off as the spawn of Narcissus. My 5¢… ---
**Author:** ![yogalefty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yogalefty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/yogalefty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/advice-women-read-me-as-weak-or-a-jerk-is-my-natural-pheromone-turning-them-off/26854/6 "2009-03-08T23:50:32Z")
I would definitely try some shine as well to draw people into you. Too bad the female magic cant make women feel comfortable around you. I really think that you should be covering the pheros that you wear. I am almost afraid to go out without them because I think they get ghost effects sometimes if you don’t cover them well… Shine and instant gentleman are a great combo. Since they aren’t sexual, if you have the primal instinct you can add it in with those. If possible, get A314 maybe, then instant gentleman in a to go, but I highly recommend both. Good luck they really can make a difference in peoples’ perceptions of you!