# After the intro pack, which strengths of A314, IS, Ammo/F22 and TUTH to order? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 2, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262 "2014-03-02T20:49:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TheBird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBird)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/1 "2014-03-02T20:49:20Z")
Hi folks, Friday evening i have ordered the introduction pack from the store. It will come one of this days to my adress (Holland). All of the spray bottles are small and when i start experimenting, they will be empty soon. I never used [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) before. I wanted to order some big bottles, but i’m a bit confused… I know i will order A314, to make my alfa status a bit stronger (James Bond effect haha) I will also order IS, but how strong? 1x, 2x or 4x ? Does stronger means better? If does, than i want de strongest… The same question about AMMO… And what is the difference between normal one and F22? And TUTH? On the site they say the weaker one is recommended… Those 4 i want to order in bigger bottles now even before testing, but when i try the rest of the products in de pack, maybe i wil be ordering everything in big bottles, who knows 🙂 I’ve got really entusiastic about this afther reading all of your post here. I hope it will work for me also. It sounds like lot of fun. Im 42 jears old and very comunicative, i know the game with ladies 😉 Sometimes i heve a great period, but sometimes i have the dry periods also ☹ When that ‘dry’ period occures, then it seems like im invisible, nothing what i try is good. But then out of nothing, i get lucky and score some young girl, i stert to feel better and in no time i have dates with more women in same period of time 😮 Thats why i got entusiastic about all this pheromones stuff. I want to reduce my dry periods to minimum. I’m getting older ☹ and i know i am not made for to be in long relationschips. I was married once and it didn’t went good…Couple relationschips afther that, but got also bad… In begin they loves me becouse i’m sutch a wonderful guy, but afther a couple of monthes, lets say one year everyhing changes somehow. Everything that made me so wonderful in there eyes, turns to be wrong afther a while and they demand that i change 😕 That happends everytime, without exeption!!! And they turns to really hate me. Just like in sports, i was very fast on the sprint, almost nobody i knew was faster than me on 100-200 meters, but marathon i was never able to run… That’s why i intend to keep my romances short and sweet as long as i will be able to… Some help of the pheromones is most welcome. I never used them, i didn’t knew about there existence untill last friday, but somehow i’ve got entusiastic a lot about them. I hope somebody of you guys will understand what i’m trying to say here and help me to choose the right products which will work for me. Im confused about all of the mixes and strenghts of the products 😕 Afther reading a lot of your posts here last couple of days, i think my first mix will be: Work: A314 and IS and maybe some AMMO? Night: A314, IS,AMMO and a bit THUT? I have met one black girl of 24 on internet, i’ve got her tel. number and our conversations are very sexual and we both wants the same: sex without responsabilitys 😃. I think my intro pack will arive before our first date, which is in my home(she wants me to pick her up and wants me to take her the moment we get inside). Should i puth some TUTH on me to make her even more horny? Or some other combo? I will appreciate if i will get some advices of you guys & girls. Greetings, TheBird ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/2 "2014-03-02T23:02:50Z")
Stronger does not mean better with Pheros. However, for IS and socials, 2x is a viable strength. You seldom need just one spray. No difference between the two [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) versions. FF22 is maybe a more Euro-oriented scent. TUTH (and similarly Ammo), whilst the general advice is to go for the 1x strength first, age is an important factor and at 42 you are into the age range where 2x is very viable from the off if your targets are in their 30s and over. Under 30, stick to the 1x unless she’s already very sexually comfortable with you (and your 24yr old sounds like she is) or save it for a club or raunchy party. Good personality can also make a big difference when using stronger products. ---
**Author:** ![TheBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TheBird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBird)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/3 "2014-03-03T00:20:57Z")
Thank you my man Mobocaster! Is 2 sprays of 1x = 1 spray of 2x? Does that work like that or is it totaly something else? And what about A314? Ronaldcubed adviced me AMMO and IS by my introduction, but he also didn’t mentioned A314… Then there are experimones, putatives…is that advanced stuf to fine tune your pheromone signature? Are they needed for the best results? I know that i should start slow, but i want to understand every aspect of this as fast as posible. That’s me, i can’t help it. Every time i can, i’m glued to this forum. I don’t know why this subject fascinates me so mutch. I want to get to know as mutch as possible and to understand it before to try it for the first time, becouse i dont know how pacient i can be if i don’t notice nothing at all in the first period. I just hope i wil notice some influence of pheromones, even if it’s placebo. It can become a nice new hobby and one day ,maybe, in place just to ask domb questions, i will be also able to give advice to somebody new and when conversating with another experienced members to say something meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/4 "2014-03-03T00:41:11Z")
Yes, that’s exactly how it works. Although there is something to spread out your dose for best diffusion compared to a single spray of strong product but in your 40s, that is liable not to arise. I presume you are going for the oil? It is the best implementation overall IMO, esp at our ages. That only comes in one strength. The/b spray is dosed to be closer to oil and is a decent try-out but it lacks in subtlety and longevity per application. The /a is dosed a bit higher for impact but that’s not always what you want, although it is useful in dating/sexual mixes around mature women. Can be a bit much for younger ones though. Ammo/IS is an excellent starting combo. Esp around younger women but by your 40s, A314 is much more widely usable in sexual/dating mixes. mid-20s is when women begin to tune into an A314 signature and it really hits-home once they get over 30. Below mid 20s, you might want to look at something more social like IG instead. Leave the experimental molecules for now. They are not at all essential - Get to grips with the consumer products first, then you will have a much better idea of how to use/evaluate the experimental stuff. Also remember that these products are not warranted, so you won’t get your money back if you don’t get-on with them. The consumer products have an excellent warranty. ---
**Author:** ![TheBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TheBird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBird)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/5 "2014-03-03T01:21:18Z")
I just ordered A134 oil, AMMO FF22 standard, TUTH standard and IS 2X. I think that this and the intro pack should be enough to begin with… Even if it will not work at all for me, i will not ask the money back… That’s me, i think. I even didn’t got the gift certificate for some reason, even thoug i introduced myself on this forum… If i get it, it would be nice, but if not, so be it. It’s not always in my benefit, but i don’t think small.I’m allready thankful to this company for giving me a new exiting hobby. ---
**Author:** ![Kodocha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kodocha/32/1467_2.png) [@Kodocha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kodocha)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/6 "2014-03-03T07:56:50Z")
mobo gives some of the best advise as far as I’ve seen. Just don’t forget that you need to fine tune things to fit you. It really is like a custom tailored suit. as for keeping relationships beyond a year. Well there Is a lot of information on the internet if you start studying seduction. Thing with long term relationships is you need to be certain to keep her challenged. Don’t be afraid to piss her off from time to time. If you do nothing but make her happy all the time she will get bored. Sometimes women need to be run thru the emotional ringer. They need to feel the full emotional spectrum and they want YOU to be the source of that. It will help keep her happy in the long run. Happiness, dispair, anger, preasure ,hope , satisfaction, anticipation, frustration, peacefullness, contentedness, turmoil… think of it like paint chips women distinguish 50 shades of grey (pun) where men see 3 or 4. It’s the same with emotion. They make many more abstract distinctions. and each time they find a new way 1 leads to another it satisfies their sense of self discovery. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/7 "2014-03-03T08:55:56Z")
Just hang-on for your GC. Mickaelia issues them personally and it can take a couple of days. Also check your spam folder - GCs can get caught! ---
**Author:** ![TheBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@TheBird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBird)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/after-the-intro-pack-which-strengths-of-a314-is-ammo-f22-and-tuth-to-order/61262/8 "2014-03-03T13:40:29Z")
> [@Kodocha](#): > > mobo gives some of the best advise as far as I’ve seen. Just don’t forget that you need to fine tune things to fit you. It really is like a custom tailored suit. > > as for keeping relationships beyond a year. Well there Is a lot of information on the internet if you start studying seduction. Thing with long term relationships is you need to be certain to keep her challenged. Don’t be afraid to piss her off from time to time. If you do nothing but make her happy all the time she will get bored. Sometimes women need to be run thru the emotional ringer. They need to feel the full emotional spectrum and they want YOU to be the source of that. It will help keep her happy in the long run. > > Happiness, dispair, anger, preasure ,hope , satisfaction, anticipation, frustration, peacefullness, contentedness, turmoil… think of it like paint chips women distinguish 50 shades of grey (pun) where men see 3 or 4. It’s the same with emotion. They make many more abstract distinctions. and each time they find a new way 1 leads to another it satisfies their sense of self discovery. You could’t be more right!!! My problem is that my women loves me to much! I know that sounds strange… They loves that dangerous something that is inside me. I dont send the signal intentionally, but there is something in my eyes, i dont know…Maybe some natural [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) of mine 🆒 Some women get very attracted by that something and when they get to know that i can be a real gentleman on the same time, intelligent,funny…then they eat out of my hand 🆒 afther spending one night with me, they get hypnotised! Their friends get to likes me a lot(first advice of some of their girlfriends is’ be careful, he looks like a player’ but afther they get to know me that changes to ‘he is a perfect man for you’) The men of boyfriends of their girlfriends get to respect me instantly, everybody invites us for double dates, dinners… Begin is always good…Then they get submissive. They needing me to decide every little aspect of their lives. I get to choose the close they whearing. Shortly said, i get to be THE MAN! Then, they get to be possesive. Way to much! They start calling me all the time. And if i can’t answer at the time, they call me 20,30,50 times until i answer. Even though i suprise them on regular base with gifts,sometimes small, sometimes bigger, flowers and all that, they complain that they don’t get enough attention of me 😕 Soon they want me to forget about my friends, my family, they want me to be just for them! No matter how i try to make some good balance between all of that, it just got worse. My last girlfriend, who i really loved with all of my heart, got too crazy! Many times she took the knifes and cutted herself just to get more attention of me! She went one time in front of my work and took the poison for the rats in big quantities, tryed to kill herself there!!! I don’t know who saw that and called the police. She fighted with them and they took her with force to hospital. Why?? I really didn’t cheated on her, i loved her, she had all of my attention. Nothing seems to be enough anymore… Then i realised that breaking up would be the best for both of us… You can imagine how she hates me at this moment!!! My ex wife also hates my guts. With her was something similar as with my last girlfriend, except she didn’t cutted herself and she didn’t tryed to commit suicide. Shortly ago she started to cry out of nothing and said the reason she hates me so mutch is becouse she loves me !! I had one or two more longer relationships with similar results… Everytime the same shit, without exeptions!! Only de details are different. Thats why never more long relationships for me,please! Maybe that’s my own fault, becouse when i go hounting, i choose the similar women. I just recognise them somehow. I don’t approach one woman until i don’t recognise that something in her. I never aproach without the eye contact that tells me: ‘this girl wil eat out of my hand’ Afther every longer relationschip i try to keep my romances short, but afther a while i always make the same mistake thinking: ‘this one is different.she is balanced, she wil know how to love me’ And i can not be more wrong every time. Its not that i can pick the girl everytime i want. Sometimes it takes really long time until i find the type of girl who is attracted to me that i can recognise that and feel confident enough to approach.I only approach when i feel that is the sure thing. Deep down i’m shy guy. I have a son. He is 12 years old now. When he was 4 he started to go to school. The first year he didn’t spoken almost any word at school, he was soooo shy, but every morning a group of 4-5 little girls fighted and pushed eachother to sit next to him. That happened to me also when i was a small boy.I was also very shy, but little bit more comunicative on that age. I hope he wil know the game better, without divorces and all of that bullshit. That wil be his own battle to fight and i hope he wil be able to develop himself to live a stable and happy life. Not like his dad haha At the moment, his dad just want to get laid as mutch as possible, with emotional bullshit reduced to the minimum and to go with the flow.