# Aggression VS Intimidation **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710 "2010-01-24T19:30:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/1 "2010-01-24T19:30:40Z")
In reading some of the threads I’ve seen that many products can illicit negative or less than desirable reactions from other men. Has anyone experienced this? And if so would you describe the reactions as more hostility and aggressive or more intimidated? What products were you using and in what quantities? I’m wondering what the theoretical reaction from men would be to somebody that OD’d on a mix of A314 and [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/). ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/2 "2010-01-24T19:53:58Z")
Never lose your cool. If they are smart they know that means you are running numbers. That means you are going through plans on breaking their bones with the least chance of you getting hurt. Stay cool, if you can not stay cool, take a self defense class. That is if it is something you did, if it is not and you are solo get a guard, nothing at all wrong with that. If you are in a group and noone in your group says anything. Rethink your group. You want to be the cool one in your group, not the ass of the jokes. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/3 "2010-01-24T20:04:56Z")
Not sure if you understood the question, I’m 6’2", 235 lbs and kickbox. I’m not worried about being bullied. I’m just curious as to the effects of certain [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) on men and their reactions to a strong “alpha male” type of signature. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/4 "2010-01-24T20:08:28Z")
Why would you care of others insecurities? \*uck 'EM. Just smile dude. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/5 "2010-01-24T20:10:50Z")
Because say I’m in a club and working a female, win or lose getting into a fight with a hostile male is no/win either way. It totally kills any game mood you might be setting. If however the males show deference and seem to give a respectful berth it’s a DHV. ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/6 "2010-01-24T20:14:44Z")
pretty sure its due to intimidation. The other males would feel challenged and could possible confront you. but this would only happen at slightly high -none levels. I dont see A314 or ammo doing this, as it would be more of the type of alpha that other men would beta to. I wouldnt worry about it much, i would do some test runs on other males if you are worried however ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/7 "2010-01-24T20:20:20Z")
If someone is getting pissed while I am in set, I ask, do you know this gentlemen? if she says no, ditch the guy. If she says yes, say would you like me to give you a minute? yes —\> get a drink watch her reaction pissed go back, lovely dovey move on minute over she is with him, tell her you are going to meet up with friends and that you should finish the conversation later get her # DONE Then rinse hands and repeat. No woman is worth more than she is willing to put into a casual meeting. Give back 2/3 of what you recieve. If not then screw it. ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/8 "2010-01-24T20:28:27Z")
True abit i don’t think this is about the ethics of female mannerisms and how you should treat them, I think your diverting from the original question posed. I think the way males can react to mones containing high amounts of -none can vary. Most of the time hostilities arise from either A: ODing, or B: they were hostile to begin with. However i don’t think the subject at hand would have any problems as long as he maintained humanly amounts of mones ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/9 "2010-01-24T20:30:34Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > In reading some of the threads I’ve seen that many products can illicit negative or less than desirable reactions from other men. Has anyone experienced this? And if so would you describe the reactions as more hostility and aggressive or more intimidated? What products were you using and in what quantities? I’m wondering what the theoretical reaction from men would be to somebody that OD’d on a mix of A314 and Raw Power. I’ve experienced both, but mostly intimidation. Some guys are so uncomfortable their hands shake. I’m looking for it so I normally do things to reassure and put them at ease. And they usually like me for the effort and I have a new ally. However, I’m naturally mellow and friendly, so most of the time I have few problems with men when I wear A314, A7 or NPA. ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/10 "2010-01-24T20:38:40Z")
Well OD on A314 can have some negative effects.Yesterday I puted too much ( 4-5 drops - don’t know really 'cause my bottle sometimes makes bigger drops witch are about 2-3 normal ones ) and when arguing with a friend over something ( we always argue wioth this guy about alot of things ) he was about to get into a fight.He’s good friend of mine so I just stopped him, but he was like “You think that u’re way more than me?Is that what you think?”.So I guess that OD on a314 is intimidating but will not progress to aggression unless there’s some reason as arguing very intensly with a friend in my case.He was little drunk too so this also helped but as general - yes putting too much A314 and people get intimidated.And the same friend just melts when I wear less a314 - he’s all respectfull.So whatch the dosage - it’s important as to have the best results out of a product. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/11 "2010-01-24T21:32:03Z")
IMO the single most socially powerful skill anyone can have is the emotional courage to address a _subtext_ honestly, directly, and without mind games. Often the best way to do this is open with a softener, almost any situation (and I’ve had to de-escalate some near homicidal doozies, including chilling a guy who was going to stab me with an open blade) smooths out if you give the other party a way of saving face and having some wiggle room. Wrong way is to “mind read” and accuse the other party (including the femme) of what you personally believe is going on… i.e. “You ARE pulling this or that racket on me!!!” Better, more elegant, is to frame it as, “maybe I’m totally off base here” or “correct me if I’m reading this wrongly”, or “somebody looking at this situation might think”… that… “she’s your girlfriend”… “you enjoy setting up conflicts between other people”… “this is an ego thing more than a connection thing”… “she came here alone”… or whatever… The important thing (if you can pick it out of the background noise) is to surface the real motivating factors without adding in a humiliating element. I’ve been in some hairy scary situations with 1, cops w/ drawn weapons ready to shoot me, 2, deranged schizophrenic psychotics, 3. violent drunks, 4. bikers doing a u-turn back to the pen, 5. guys just released from the pen, and whatnot… I think the thing that saved the day was the ability to drop the judgment, ask a question that showed some appreciation for their point of view, however disturbed or deranged WHILE maintaining some frame control… that’s the key mix, low intensity frame control WITH good listening/interpretation skills… sometimes you are going to run into some fantastically gifted manipualators, what you have to know is that manipulative personalities feed off of resistance… so you don’t cave in but you don’t throw up a big bluster of resistance either… sometimes you can judo it with a kind of misdirecting question like “you work in sales?”… “Uh no why ?” “Noticed your social moves are pretty good, sales guys are like that, refined”…You’ve subtly called him on his move but given him an ego stroke for it too… ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/12 "2010-01-24T21:48:32Z")
I just walk around with artillery and the know how to use it hahaha. I like SMGs too… works real well in situations. Also there are defensive non-leathal shotgun missle shells, put one in a mans chest and he goes down like butter on teflon. But anyway. yeah, be cool and honest ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/13 "2010-01-25T01:43:24Z")
Surprisingly enough, I can’t say I’ve ever gotten into confrontations because of too much -none or A314, but there were a few other situations that I could mention. One time in particular I buffered my mix wrong and put on way too many social pheros, which had me coming off as a beta male. I realized this because while I was walking to a bar (I was by myself, meeting some friends) I was passing some girls and one of them made a comment about how I was dressed. I was dressed nicely, but apparently it reminded her too much of Ed Hardy (it wasn’t Ed Hardy) and said something along the lines of look at that guy, he’s wearing ed hardy, he’s a douchebag. I didn’t feel like getting into an arguement so I let it slide. Literally 5 minutes later I was trying to walk into the bar and had to walk past a group of guys that were blocking the way. I said excuse me but one a-hole in particular didnt feel like moving. His friends tried to move him but he wasn’t even paying attention. I tapped him on the shoulder and said excuse me bud, and he replied with “easy there girl”. Again, I controlled myself and let it slide (normally I would have sent him to the hospital). I threw some TUTH on when I got inside and didn’t get this anymore that night. One time I did the reverse and didn’t buffer enough and my good friend was a bit hostile towards me throughout the night. We didn’t fight, but he was just more aggressive than usual. Point of the story kids, you can get bad reactions from any [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Just depends on how much and the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 6:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/14 "2010-01-25T06:31:57Z")
> [@](#): > > I was dressed nicely, but apparently it reminded her too much of Ed Hardy (it wasn’t Ed Hardy) and said something along the lines of look at that guy, he’s wearing ed hardy, he’s a douchebag. Sorry, I have bad thoughts too whenever I see a guy dressed head to toe in Ed Hardy. Something just snaps. If I was drinking I’d probably laugh and point. Seriously, your mone dose and ratios just need to be in the ballpark. Realize your moan signature is a moving target: some fade with time while others breakdown with heat and bacteria, e.g., androstenol becomes androstenone. You can and must compensate for any moan shortcomings with attitude and behavior upgrades. Hell that even works sans moans. ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aggression-vs-intimidation/35710/15 "2010-01-25T14:07:54Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Sorry, I have bad thoughts too whenever I see a guy dressed head to toe in Ed Hardy. Something just snaps. If I was drinking I’d probably laugh and point. > > Seriously, your mone dose and ratios just need to be in the ballpark. Realize your moan signature is a moving target: some fade with time while others breakdown with heat and bacteria, e.g., androstenol becomes androstenone. You can and must compensate for any moan shortcomings with attitude and behavior upgrades. Hell that even works sans moans. I don’t like Ed Hardy either lol. It had a skull on it and some writing over the skull, so her small brain must have processed it as Ed Hardy. But yeah, I agree with the compensating. That’s why to-gos are a winner every time. You never have to worry about OD.