# All Gone :( Leakage/Evaporation **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 4, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602 "2011-12-04T21:34:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/21 "2011-12-05T13:09:14Z")
> [@WalrusGumBoot](#): > > I think AD is aware of this problem and are trying to remedy it. Something about the pressure changes in flight as they are overnighted. > > I noticed the plastic To Go bottles seem to run out way too fast compared to usage, but the glass bottles hold contents better. > > Mones are not cheap and it would be a good business decision by them to stop any leakage issues. > > I think glass flat bottomed vials with a secured screw on top would be the best delivery method. The vials would come in several sizes, including the To Go size. Sprayers could be sold separately which would also be different sizes to fit the different vials. Like many sprayers in commercial products, they must be twisted to activate, and untwisted to deactivate. It should work! 😃 I think its crap and it’s definitely an overused excuse. I’ve ordered products from Androtics before (circa 2009) full to-go’s and they never leaked in transit, the quality of the to-go bottle changed, plain and simple. I’ve also had friends order from other [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) companies without the leakage in their smaller bottle size. We all suddenly have prices that have gone up to ridiculous amounts and expect consumers to purchase them when we would get a product not even filled to the expected levels? Maybe AD should spend a little more money in the 5ML’s and find alternatives because now keeping things cheap obviously isn’t on the agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Universe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/universe/32/1239_2.png) [@Universe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Universe)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/22 "2011-12-05T14:26:06Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I think its crap and it’s definitely an overused excuse. I’ve ordered products from Androtics before (circa 2009) full to-go’s and they never leaked in transit, the quality of the to-go bottle changed, plain and simple. I’ve also had friends order from other pheromone companies without the leakage in their smaller bottle size. We all suddenly have prices that have gone up to ridiculous amounts and expect consumers to purchase them when we would get a product not even filled to the expected levels? Maybe AD should spend a little more money in the 5ML’s and find alternatives because now keeping things cheap obviously isn’t on the agenda. Exactly. None of this crap happened back in 2009. This is a new thing. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/23 "2011-12-05T16:13:04Z")
I could live with say, 0,5 ml or so getting lost in transit but losing 50-75% of the whole content little by little is not acceptable. I’ll have to contact the support and ask for compensation. Even if I get new items the situation remains bad though. I have a shitload of to go’s, can’t seem to make sure they won’t leak and I can’t think of affordable and good vessels to transfer all this stuff to. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/24 "2011-12-05T16:19:51Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > I could live with say, 0,5 ml or so getting lost in transit but losing 50-75% of the whole content little by little is not acceptable. I’ll have to contact the support and ask for compensation. > Even if I get new items the situation remains bad though. I have a shitload of to go’s, can’t seem to make sure they won’t leak and I can’t think of affordable and good vessels to transfer all this stuff to. Lot’s of people have used sephora atomizers to hold the products. Some say that the dosages would be off, which is true, I know thegentleman uses them so I would PM him, gegogi uses them as well if my memory serves me correctly. The only thing is you would need to sweet spot test again, but no need to worry cause the ratios of the mones in there would be the same. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/25 "2011-12-05T16:41:15Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Lot’s of people have used sephora atomizers to hold the products. Some say that the dosages would be off, which is true, I know thegentleman uses them so I would PM him, gegogi uses them as well if my memory serves me correctly. > > The only thing is you would need to sweet spot test again, but no need to worry cause the ratios of the mones in there would be the same. If I find such at a decent price somewhere I’ll get some. First off I’ll start using the to go’s on a daily basis. A couple of the UF2’s and the MX422 won’t last more than a few days anyway. Maybe I should take a picture of the Ammo and tuth bottles and attach when I complain, although i can’t really see the point in that. It’s only proof that they’re not full but it of course doesn’t prove that I haven’t used any. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/26 "2011-12-05T17:18:42Z")
I hate to pile on but I checked some of my stored togo’s and sure enough at least 7 of them have evaporated. Some have never been used and now they are half full I used 6 sprays of MX431 and it has maybe 6 sprays left. I used to check my togo’s because I though it was me miscalculating how much of each product that I’d used. Then the unopened products were evaporating also. However I thought it was just me. Now I see that it is not just me. I’m thinking I have lost maybe $60-$80 dollars worth of product ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/27 "2011-12-05T17:30:23Z")
I’m surprised that there’s still no word from anyone from AD in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/28 "2011-12-05T17:39:42Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > I’m surprised that there’s still no word from anyone from AD in this thread. Well to be fair. The forum isn’t to be used for customer service issues. It really should be directed to Steve, Mickaelia, or John. Also try not to take their heads off because they really are just the messenger. Even John, who is the ops manager doesn’t make unilateral decisions by himself. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/29 "2011-12-05T18:12:10Z")
I’m not about to give them any excessive grief over this, as I’m sure it will be resolved. Maybe they should consider putting the 5 ml doses into 30 ml bottles until the leaking issue with the to go’s can be handled… ---
**Author:** ![CMBC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@CMBC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CMBC)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/30 "2011-12-05T18:28:40Z")
I didn’t read many of the replies as there are too many to read right now, but here’s my two cents: I’ve had 1 leaky ToGo bottle, and I’ve had 1 leaky fullsize bottle. It does happen. I e-mailed them about the leaked full bottle (because about 1/3 of it was missing) and they refunded me partial cost for it. Although they did require pictures to show how much was leaked. Yes, that means taking a picture of it and getting it to show through the dark blue bottle. This was mostly because they didn’t screw the lid on properly. The ToGo was a true leak through the spout. Other than that, i haven’t had evaporation occur. I keep mine in a closet so if I have heaters on it wont be keeping the bottles warm and therefore potentially evaporating. Plus obviously make sure you have the lids screwed on tight and proper. ---
**Author:** ![Tigurinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@Tigurinn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigurinn)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/31 "2011-12-06T00:02:55Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I think its crap and it’s definitely an overused excuse. I’ve ordered products from Androtics before (circa 2009) full to-go’s and they never leaked in transit, the quality of the to-go bottle changed, plain and simple. I’ve also had friends order from other pheromone companies without the leakage in their smaller bottle size. We all suddenly have prices that have gone up to ridiculous amounts and expect consumers to purchase them when we would get a product not even filled to the expected levels? Maybe AD should spend a little more money in the 5ML’s and find alternatives because now keeping things cheap obviously isn’t on the agenda. Would you mind telling me the names of these other pheromones companies - because Androtics have lost me as a customer (heck, never mind - just found a list of bunch of them) ---
**Author:** ![henk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/henk/32/5189_2.png) [@henk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/henk)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/32 "2011-12-06T01:13:03Z")
> [@Tigurinn](#): > > Would you mind telling me the names of these other pheromones companies - because Androtics have lost me as a customer > > (heck, never mind - just found a list of bunch of them) Did you contact Androtics about the leaking togo’s? I contacted Androtics and Mickaelia solved the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Twinturbo4486](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/45deac/32.png) [@Twinturbo4486](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinturbo4486)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/33 "2011-12-06T03:48:37Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Well to be fair. The forum isn’t to be used for customer service issues. It really should be directed to Steve, Mickaelia, or John. Also try not to take their heads off because they really are just the messenger. Even John, who is the ops manager doesn’t make unilateral decisions by himself. For me, Steve doesn’t get the job done. I PM’ed him politely asking some questions about how a few things worked on the forum, becoming a reporting member, and a mone question over two weeks ago and still have had no response. Since then, I have seen numerous posts by Steve and still not an answer to my PM. I also am having major to-go leakage. I bought 100+ dollars worth of mones which was 5 to-go bottles. Two of them which were both A314 (the most expensive ironically) have leaked more than half. I bought both 1.29A and B, and both have leaked big time. When I first started here at AD two weeks ago I was very happy with the forum, quality, and customer service. But my experience with the leaking, being ignored, and lack of quality… I am really considering giving some place else my business. I just ordered some A1 from Love-Scent, if they get everything right it may be a good place to start. It sucks because the mones are working for me and I like the community here. You guys are great, no problems community-wise. ---
**Author:** ![WillieBeeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/58f4c7/32.png) [@WillieBeeman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WillieBeeman)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/34 "2011-12-06T03:50:12Z")
I really don’t want to sound dramatic but it has to be said: AD is losing it: they are free fallin and it really hurt my feeling to see a company with such potential acting like this. I don’t want to sound cheap but with the price increase in the last months I have tried other companies and I have nothing but good things to say about them. We are drinking the AD kool-aid about their price increase due to the extreme purity of their molecules and they can’t even provide decent to-go while all the other companies who are a small fraction of AD are doing it right… AD will always be my first love but I now look upon great alternatives at a fraction of the price for the same quality… ---
**Author:** ![Twinturbo4486](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/45deac/32.png) [@Twinturbo4486](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinturbo4486)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/35 "2011-12-06T04:23:16Z")
> [@WillieBeeman](#): > > I really don’t want to sound dramatic but it has to be said: AD is losing it: they are free fallin and it really hurt my feeling to see a company with such potential acting like this. > > I don’t want to sound cheap but with the price increase in the last months I have tried other companies and I have nothing but good things to say about them. > > We are drinking the AD kool-aid about their price increase due to the extreme purity of their molecules and they can’t even provide decent to-go while all the other companies who are a small fraction of AD are doing it right… > > AD will always be my first love but I now look upon great alternatives at a fraction of the price for the same quality… What are some of these companies. I’m skeptical about a lot of them due to some scams, false claims and non-working products out there. They definitely exist in this field. Any pointers incase things don’t get better with AD? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/36 "2011-12-06T21:18:11Z")
> [@Twinturbo4486](#): > > For me, Steve doesn’t get the job done. I PM’ed him politely asking some questions about how a few things worked on the forum, becoming a reporting member, and a mone question over two weeks ago and still have had no response. > > Since then, I have seen numerous posts by Steve and still not an answer to my PM. > > I also am having major to-go leakage. I bought 100+ dollars worth of mones which was 5 to-go bottles. Two of them which were both A314 (the most expensive ironically) have leaked more than half. I bought both 1.29A and B, and both have leaked big time. > > When I first started here at AD two weeks ago I was very happy with the forum, quality, and customer service. But my experience with the leaking, being ignored, and lack of quality… I am really considering giving some place else my business. > > I just ordered some A1 from Love-Scent, if they get everything right it may be a good place to start. It sucks because the mones are working for me and I like the community here. You guys are great, no problems community-wise. You shouldn’t PM Steve you should E-Mail support [aprshipping@gmail.com](mailto:aprshipping@gmail.com) or call the 800 number. ---
**Author:** ![Twinturbo4486](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/45deac/32.png) [@Twinturbo4486](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinturbo4486)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/37 "2011-12-07T03:13:41Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > You shouldn’t PM Steve you should E-Mail support [aprshipping@gmail.com](mailto:aprshipping@gmail.com) or call the 800 number. I will heed this advice for the leakage. But I was just making a point of some basic questions I politely asked not regarding to leakage and didn’t get a response. Now, i’m not going to base my opinions of the company solely on Steve, but seriously don’t send overly friendly automated greetings to newbies that encourage you to PM him if you need anything only to get no response.. To me, that’s just stupid. Not to mention, this was the second time I PM’d Steve. I looked in my Outbox and I did PM him with a question when I was only a few days in. I’ve been here about two months now and no reply to either. Looks bad on the company/forum whatever. TBH, I think I thought this whole site was a scam due to the automated message but no real responses when I first messaged him. I know it’s not now. Luckily the rest of the community is great like I said before and can help and assist the new members. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/38 "2011-12-07T09:31:01Z")
I have hundreds of bottles of AD products and never once had a leakage problem. However evaporation occurs. You cant compare these to regular perfumes although if treated similar to your pheromone bottles you would probably run into the same problems just not as much. Pheromones are by design made to diffuse. Its less likely for the blue light block bottles to evaporate unless handled carelessly. Even laying on there sides if they are kept in a cool dark place then they are safe. People are more careless with the to-go’s They throw them in there pockets, forget to secure the caps (which is extremely important). Leave them laying around in the light. These are not protected by the light block glass that helps keep out heat. It gets to hot in your pocket to keep them there. It gets to hot in your car for these to stay there. You have to be more careful with these. I have had bottle evaporate but its not AD’s fault its my own fault for how I treated the bottle. I know everyone wants to carry them around so they can use them whenever but you have to keep those to-go out of the light, out of the heat and the caps secured tightly. This is harder for men because they don’t generally carry purses like women. Even left in my purse which can get hot if I leave it sitting in the sun can cause evaporation though, not only of my [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) but my travel perfumes. Atomizors tend to work well if you want to transfer your mones to those but they are more costly to fill buy and ship. They are not suitable for AD to use for the purpose the to-go size were meant which is really just so you can test out different products inexpensively and find out which work for you so you know which big ones to purchase and for research. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/39 "2011-12-07T10:04:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I have hundreds of bottles of AD products and never once had a leakage problem. However evaporation occurs. You cant compare these to regular perfumes although if treated similar to your pheromone bottles you would probably run into the same problems just not as much. Pheromones are by design made to diffuse. > > Its less likely for the blue light block bottles to evaporate unless handled carelessly. Even laying on there sides if they are kept in a cool dark place then they are safe. > > People are more careless with the to-go’s They throw them in there pockets, forget to secure the caps (which is extremely important). Leave them laying around in the light. These are not protected by the light block glass that helps keep out heat. It gets to hot in your pocket to keep them there. It gets to hot in your car for these to stay there. You have to be more careful with these. > > I have had bottle evaporate but its not AD’s fault its my own fault for how I treated the bottle. I know everyone wants to carry them around so they can use them whenever but you have to keep those to-go out of the light, out of the heat and the caps secured tightly. This is harder for men because they don’t generally carry purses like women. Even left in my purse which can get hot if I leave it sitting in the sun can cause evaporation though, not only of my pheromone products but my travel perfumes. > > Atomizors tend to work well if you want to transfer your mones to those but they are more costly to fill buy and ship. They are not suitable for AD to use for the purpose the to-go size were meant which is really just so you can test out different products inexpensively and find out which work for you so you know which big ones to purchase and for research. > > Tisha None of your conclusions apply on me. I keep all my AD to go’s in a wooden box with a closed lid in the bedroom, so they get no light and they’re kept pretty cool. The caps are on. Many of these bottles I never even touched since they went into the box, until a few days ago to check their condition (which, like I’ve said, for the majority is poor). The ONLY to go’s I ever take with me anywhere are empty ones I mix a one application combo in. And your last statement that the to go’s are for trying products inexpensively falls apart since a huge part of them is lost without ever coming to use. It’s an expensive way to witness your money disappear into thin air. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602/40 "2011-12-07T10:28:05Z")
Oh and in Steve’s defense… (this is not directed at one persons post but a few I read in this thread) It says right in his signature to call with questions. He gets hundreds of PM’s a day with questions that can easily be addressed right here in the forum. I am sure he would love to respond to each and everyone of them because thats the kind of guy he is but he is only one man. If you have basic questions about mones, the products here or the actual forum then ask them on the forum. That is what its for. When you ask questions on the forum it benefits everyone who may be new and have similar questions and save’s tons of work for the employees who have to take time out to sift through countless Pm’s with the same questions in them. Steve’s job doesn’t just consist of answering PM’s all day. Being the moderator here in the past and helping out with the questions I have seen first hand the sheer volume if PM’s he gets and questions coming in. This is a small niche company not a huge company that can higher people to field simple questions. You have quite a few pheromone experts here to address those questions who volunteer there time. Those who are not profiting from the sale of mones or affiliations with the other vendors. You don’t see those experts hanging around the affiliate forums much and yes thats exactly what the forum in question has become in my opinion. As for price increases… Please tell me you haven’t seen increases across the board on all products being sold. AD is already taking huge loses and if they want to stay in business they have to change with the economic climate. Shipping has increased, bottles have gone up, the scents and carriers have gone up and the actual molecules themselves have gone up. These things reflect the price of the products not just in this business but in every business. Yes there are other companies that will just switch to a lower quality ingredients but what has made AD always stand out is the effectiveness and quality of there products. While I have used mones from just about every company on the net and even really like some of them they don’t compare to the products I get here. To stop supporting AD completely because I cant get what I want when I want it would be just biting my nose off to spite my face. Bottle leakage… Its been a problem for some which usually only occurs in the winter months for some reason. I think its a combination of things and its not easily addressed with just the changing of the bottle brand. It is a problem though that needs further looking at. Misein I understand you have kept your bottles safe and still had a problem. Its hard to say why in your case but everyone complaining is not taking care of there bottles as they should. I keep my to-go in an airtight container I bought at bed and bath in the kitchen storage area. I dont know if thats made a difference but like I mentioned I never seen problems with mine. For other problems mentioned. Cold and heat cause expansion and contraction. Heat causes diffusion and evaporation. Careless use and storage if bottles come into play. There are many things AD can not control. The post office asks now if there is anything liquid in your packages because leakage is the big problem with all liquids not just from handling but from the environment they are kept in. Its a issue that has always existed with shipping any liquid. AD cant use the Post office to ship because there hub near there lab sucks and to many packages were not being shipped on time. This caused complaints about shipping which they addressed by using DHL and Fed ex who really don’t care if your package is liquid or not so they don’t handle them different from other packages. They have done what they can to prevent leaking on there side and replace any problem products people receive but they cant control how you treat those bottles when you have them. Yes AD is not perfect and we have some disappointments with prices going up and products being discontinued but such is our economy right now. Yes you have the right to bottles that have not leaked when you receive them but its up to you to take care of them once they safely arrive. Overall with all these issues AD still is number one when it comes to [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) effectiveness in my book. I am willing to ride out the bumpy times with them. Tisha [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/all-gone-leakage-evaporation/53602.md?page=3)