# Ammo 2x vs. TUTH **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 13, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841 "2009-01-13T17:23:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Smellboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellboy/32/1747_2.png) [@Smellboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellboy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/1 "2009-01-13T17:23:38Z")
I just did a little research and I think I’ve figured something out, but I’d like some more experienced folks to verify this. When I placed my first order, some helpful soul (can’t recall who now) advised that I get the 2x version of Ammo because I’m over forty. Since then, I’ve noticed that I get good results when I wear the Ammo, but have never gotten very good results when I wear [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). Okay, so I just did a little research on the Androtics web site. If I’m reading this correctly, Ammo 2x contains 5mcg of androsterone. But the regular strength of TUTH contains 2.5mcg. So even though I’m thinking of TUTH as being a lot stronger than Ammo, given that I’m using the 2x version of Ammo and the regular version of TUTH, the opposite is actually true. Could someone more knowledgeable please confirm this? If it’s true, it would explain a lot about the level of responses I’ve received when wearing one vs. the other. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/2 "2009-01-13T18:03:05Z")
You are probably talking about androsteNone and not androsteRone, but other than that you are correct: Heavy [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) contains 5 mcg -none per spray, TUTH only 2.5 mcg. But I think there’s a heavy TUTH version, too, so you might consider choosing that one next time… ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/3 "2009-01-13T18:03:59Z")
A couple of things. First off, you’re right. Ammo contains the same amount of -none as TUTH. So, it would also be right to say that if you’re using Ammo 2x, you’re getting twice the amount of -none per spray as in each spray of TUTH. (assuming they’re both the same bottle size). Secondly, TUTH is not “stronger” than Ammo, it’s just more “raw”. What I mean is that Ammo contains a couple of other pheros to “soften” it, make it more “social”. The resulting effects are similar to using Shine and Openess w/ the -none. The “socials” help draw the people in & connect with you and THEN they get hit w/ the sexual vibe of the -none. Whereas the straight -none of TUTH is like raw sex which can be a sort of turn-off or creepy vibe in non-sexual situations. With all that said, TUTH should be kept for sexual situations such as the bedroom or clubs, etc and shouldn’t really be for everyday use unless you pair it with heavy socials such as Shine and Openess. That’s why Ammo is OK for everyday use, because it already contains those types of pheros to buffer the -none. So, could be either you’re getting more hits w/ the Ammo because of the added “socials” in it, or that it contains more -none (because it’s double-strength), or possibly even a combination of both reasons. I hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Smellboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellboy/32/1747_2.png) [@Smellboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellboy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/4 "2009-01-13T18:14:57Z")
River and Bubblebob, Thanks for the responses! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smellboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellboy/32/1747_2.png) [@Smellboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellboy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/5 "2009-01-13T20:46:19Z")
Hmm… Okay, I’m posting another message to this thread because the previous responses I received have got me thinking now. Of the Androtics products I’ve tried so far, the only one I’ve gotten consistently good results with is Ammo 2x. So far I haven’t noticed any results from my experiments with TUTH, IO, or even A314, and the one time I tried IS it actually seemed to have a negative effect. But I’ve been using the 1x versions of all those products. Given that I’m over forty, would it make sense for me to be using the 2x versions of all the Androtics products, not just Ammo? I assume if I just double the application of any of the 1x products, it would the same as wearing the 2x version (other than smelling more), correct? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyPaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnypaper/32/338_2.png) [@JohnnyPaper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyPaper)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/6 "2009-01-13T20:59:16Z")
I tell you what…go get a Latina girl that is say early to mid 30s and coat yourself with turn up the heat before you take her into the bedroom, and you will see insanity happen right before your eyes…I mean things coming appart at the seams sexually! Trust me!😃 ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/7 "2009-01-13T21:19:44Z")
> [@Smellboy](#): > > Of the Androtics products I’ve tried so far, the only one I’ve gotten consistently good results with is Ammo 2x. So far I haven’t noticed any results from my experiments with TUTH, IO, or even A314, and the one time I tried IS it actually seemed to have a negative effect. But I’ve been using the 1x versions of all those products. Details pleeezzzz! What, how much, and where have you been using these? Gotta know how you’re using them to give any useful feedback!🙂 (using something one time isn’t giving the product a fair chance, btw). > [@Smellboy](#): > > Given that I’m over forty, would it make sense for me to be using the 2x versions of all the Androtics products, not just Ammo? Uhhhh…No! Not until you figure out how to use the original product. What if you find out that you only need one spray of something for it to work and then you go and order Double strength…pretty hard to apply only a half spray of something!🙄 > [@Smellboy](#): > > I assume if I just double the application of any of the 1x products, it would the same as wearing the 2x version (other than smelling more), correct? Yes. You are correct! 2 sprays regular strength = 1 spray double strength Ooorrrr…you could always try Johnny’s suggestion and figure things out from there! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smellboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellboy/32/1747_2.png) [@Smellboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellboy)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/8 "2009-01-13T21:34:47Z")
> [@river](#): > > Details pleeezzzz! What, how much, and where have you been using these? Gotta know how you’re using them to give any useful feedback!🙂 (using something one time isn’t giving the product a fair chance, btw). No, it isn’t. I wasn’t trying to imply that it was. I was just trying to get a handle on why people recommend using Ammo 2x if one is over forty, but not any of the other products. And as Ammo 2x seems to be the one product that I’ve already seen results with based on my admittedly limited experimentation, I was wondering if there was a correlation between the fact that it’s 2x, but the other products I’ve been experimenting with are 1x. Also, I’ve posted details about how I’ve used TUTH on another thread, so I’m reluctant to go into it again. Really, that wasn’t the point of my question. I was just trying to get a feel for whether 2x products are recommended for men over forty across the board. > [@river](#): > > Ooorrrr…you could always try Johnny’s suggestion and figure things out from there! 😃 And if I already had a Latina woman who was willing to go into my bedroom with me, I wouldn’t be using any of this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/9 "2009-01-13T21:40:48Z")
Most guys produce less androsteNone the older they become. This means that a man in his forties can generally wear higher concentrated androstenone products than one in his twenties before he reaches the OD limit. I only know about the androstenone-age correlation, but I have no clue if other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are produced less with higher age, too! ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/10 "2009-01-13T22:00:05Z")
> [@Smellboy](#): > > I assume if I just double the application of any of the 1x products, it would the same as wearing the 2x version (other than smelling more), correct? And generally also cheaper in the long run. I believe that AMMO has -none, -rone and one more [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) that helps buffer AMMO. You can generally wear more AMMO than you can with TUTH. TUTH is pure -none. ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/11 "2009-01-14T00:37:46Z")
> [@Smellboy](#): > > I was just trying to get a handle on why people recommend using Ammo 2x if one is over forty, but not any of the other products. Yep. The guys are right. Good 'ol Mother Nature starts producing less and less of the “attractant” pheromones (specifically androstenone which is the main ingredient in Ammo and THE ingredient in TUTH) in our aging bodies, for reasons you can guess, I’m sure. Who wants babies after 40??? (no offense for those who do, BTW!!). Nothing wrong with that of course, just nature doing it’s due diligence, I guess. > [@Smellboy](#): > > And as Ammo 2x seems to be the one product that I’ve already seen results with based on my admittedly limited experimentation, I was wondering if there was a correlation between the fact that it’s 2x, but the other products I’ve been experimenting with are 1x. 1x just means that you’d have to use 2 sprays to get the same effects as a single spray of the 2x. And, if you’ve been following the recommended experimentation “rules” of starting w/ one spray on day 1 and working up from there, you’ll figure out what your “sweet spot” is for each product. Thus, if you’re “sweet spot” is 4 sprays of something, could be that you may want to consider purchasing the 2x (and use only 2 sprays) not only because it’s a better buy per mcg, but also so you’re not taking a literal “bath” in the products by having to spray so much on, especially if you’re combining several sprays of several products. That being said, however, keep in mind that the more sprays you have on, the more area covered! It’s a delicate balance, for sure!!! (tongue in cheek 🙄) > [@Smellboy](#): > > And if I already had a Latina woman who was willing to go into my bedroom with me, I wouldn’t be using any of this stuff. Uhhhh…good point!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smellboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smellboy/32/1747_2.png) [@Smellboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smellboy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/12 "2009-01-14T16:58:36Z")
> [@river](#): > > And, if you’ve been following the recommended experimentation “rules” of starting w/ one spray on day 1 and working up from there, you’ll figure out what your “sweet spot” is for each product. Thanks, River. I think I’ve just been reluctant to increase the number of sprays of any product too much for fear that I’ll end up being too smelly. But as you point out, if I don’t do that I’ll never find my “sweet spot” and, thereby, whether the 2x version of any product might work better for me. Okay, next time I wear IO, I’ll increase the number of sprays. Seems to me it’s probably harder to OD on IO than on one of the more androstenone-y products. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-2x-vs-tuth/24841/13 "2009-01-14T17:36:23Z")
> [@Smellboy](#): > > Thanks, River. I think I’ve just been reluctant to increase the number of sprays of any product too much for fear that I’ll end up being too smelly. But as you point out, if I don’t do that I’ll never find my “sweet spot” and, thereby, whether the 2x version of any product might work better for me. > > Okay, next time I wear IO, I’ll increase the number of sprays. Seems to me it’s probably harder to OD on IO than on one of the more androstenone-y products. Thanks again. Right! If you “OD” (which I’m not really sure is possible on IO), the worst you’ll probably get is getting tired of everyone’s chattiness or finding that you are being too chatty yourself! Once you find the desired kind of effects your looking for, no use applying any more sprays than that or it’ll just be overkill (and probably over-chattiness). Sound like you’re on the right track there! Good luck!