# Ammo and bringing out the a-hole in some guys **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 6, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213 "2011-09-06T19:18:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sunny10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@sunny10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sunny10)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/1 "2011-09-06T19:18:45Z")
I have bit of trouble trying to get ammo working, I am currently using the togo samples. Ever time I use it, it turns some guys into complete umm assholes. Especially my boss. Oh and the effects on women, can’t tell, but I get gay guys checking me out. If I use ammo at work I have to double up on A314 so I can get my boss away from me, even at the expense of other people keeping their distance from me. What I have noticed is that guys who are nice guys, it does effect them, but guys who are alpha or think they are alpha, but really dicks tend to become more so, when I wear ammo. It is like some of the self-effects of IJ but on others. I’ve tried adding socials, but that just reduces the effect of A314, which is my only buffer between me and those guys. What am I doing wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/2 "2011-09-06T19:52:40Z")
Have you gauged how ammo works for you by itself and have you gauged how A314 works for you by itself. Some people wear A314 with socials to work, some wear [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (as a base) with socials to work. If you’re one of those individuals where none doesn’t go too well with you in high doses, you might have to wear less ammo, or probably throw in a few more socials. If you’re an advanced user I’d recommend trying out P74 along with your work mix. > [@sunny10](#): > > I have bit of trouble trying to get ammo working, I am currently using the togo samples. > Ever time I use it, it turns some guys into complete umm assholes. Especially my boss. > Oh and the effects on women, can’t tell, but I get gay guys checking me out. > > If I use ammo at work I have to double up on A314 so I can get my boss away from me, even at the expense of other people keeping their distance from me. > > What I have noticed is that guys who are nice guys, it does effect them, but guys who are alpha or think they are alpha, but really dicks tend to become more so, when I wear ammo. It is like some of the self-effects of IJ but on others. > > I’ve tried adding socials, but that just reduces the effect of A314, which is my only buffer between me and those guys. > > What am I doing wrong? ---
**Author:** ![byrd2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@byrd2000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/byrd2000)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/3 "2011-09-06T20:02:41Z")
Some guys are sensitive to none so that was the first thought I had. Additionally, they could be feeling like you are trying to out-alpha them when it’s paired with A314. And higher doses of the A314 will intimidate women (and men) so that might be why there’s little attention from women. As for the homosexual attention, that’s normal. Homosexuals are attracted to the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) of the same sex. If I were you, I would stick to A314 all by itself. Ammo may not be he best for a work environment anyways, unless your work entails that you try to attract women. Well, you may get some attention from A314 too. Play around with it. ---
**Author:** ![sunny10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@sunny10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sunny10)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/4 "2011-09-06T20:26:29Z")
Thanks for the reply guys. I have used ammo on its own before, reactions tend to be towards the umm, teenage range, hence the adding A314. At the end of the day I am more interested in classy WOMEN, not girls, or egotistical hits. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/5 "2011-09-06T22:51:09Z")
If you are finding the A314 a bit heavy when used with Ammo, you might want to think of IG instead? Its lighter feel still has plenty of status. Also remember that A314 does have a small amount of none in its mix - which might be tipping Ammo further towards OD, which by the sound of it may be happening? Oh and IME, even classy women can go all “teenage” when they get the hots for someone. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![byrd2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@byrd2000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/byrd2000)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/6 "2011-09-06T23:44:02Z")
Mobocaster has an excellent idea with the IG. And if you’re looking for women rather than girls, definitely go for the A314. That gives a more appropriate signal I feel. But all this is part science and part nuance. You’ve got the science down, but the hard part is fine tuning the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) signature. Not many people get exactly what they want. ---
**Author:** ![spamz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@spamz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spamz)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/7 "2011-09-10T11:23:52Z")
i agree with the IG also… i used to use a none heavy mix at work and got the same reactions as you. when i would use IG alone those same guys that were dicks where respectful and more submisive towards me. as far as with women, IG got more attention from older less alpha females, or younger more alpha females. IG is a great work mix to keep things civil and social not so much sexy and flirty(although it could be if u so desire). i never used a314 so cant give input there. i have ammo, and use it occasionally when going out with friends, run errands, etc… it seems to me a bit more rough around the edges than IG, and can cause a more exciting vibe without comming off brash. where as IG is just smooth. i have an older version of IG, not sure if the formula changed. i remember reading something about IG changing formulas thus the higher price. ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/8 "2011-09-10T16:26:08Z")
Definitely sounds like you ODed. Check out this guide: [How to find your sweet spot...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-your-sweet-spot/22146) Also, if you must use Ammo at work, I would buffer it with something other than A314. Try IShine instead. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/9 "2011-09-10T23:29:51Z")
> [@sunny10](#): > > I have bit of trouble trying to get ammo working, I am currently using the togo samples. > Ever time I use it, it turns some guys into complete umm assholes. Especially my boss. > Oh and the effects on women, can’t tell, but I get gay guys checking me out. > > If I use ammo at work I have to double up on A314 so I can get my boss away from me, even at the expense of other people keeping their distance from me. > > What I have noticed is that guys who are nice guys, it does effect them, but guys who are alpha or think they are alpha, but really dicks tend to become more so, when I wear ammo. It is like some of the self-effects of IJ but on others. > > I’ve tried adding socials, but that just reduces the effect of A314, which is my only buffer between me and those guys. > > What am I doing wrong? In my opinion, you are not doing anything wrong. You might need some buffering with IG or A314 as you said. I actually experience the same exact thing with Ammo by itself from guys. They seem to physically joke with me which is something a lot of people don’t really like (if its some girl, I wouldn’t of course 😛) ---
**Author:** ![Fade1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fade1/32/1949_2.png) [@Fade1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fade1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/10 "2011-09-11T18:40:30Z")
I get way too snappy at work with Ammo. Very agitated when people ask me to do things or when other people do things wrong. ---
**Author:** ![sunny10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@sunny10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sunny10)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/11 "2011-09-11T19:40:09Z")
I think I will leave ammo out of my mix. Getting the best out of A314 is more important. ---
**Author:** ![lifeisgood7](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lifeisgood7/32/1834_2.png) [@lifeisgood7](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lifeisgood7)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-bringing-out-the-a-hole-in-some-guys/52213/12 "2011-12-20T07:00:29Z")
Even more important, 314 will get the best out of you 😉