# Ammo and Violence...Need some help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 26, 2008, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452 "2008-03-26T05:28:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/1 "2008-03-26T05:28:43Z")
Recently I’ve been experimenting with ammunition. I got the to go bottle and sprayed 1-2 sprays of it, one on my chest and one either on my neck or behind my ears. Sometimes I’ve combined it with a reasonable amount of SOE on all pulse points. In most of my tries I have not yet found a point were I can notice attraction from women, but rather I have been involved in three heavy arguments with guys who want to fight me. One of them was while using ammo alone and the others while using it with SOE. Both these arguments could have happened due to other factors, but four of the three arguments I’ve had in the past 6 months have been while using ammo. I am not a violent guy neither have I ever started these arguments. So far I’ve only I’ve given ammo about 5 tries, but am afraid to increase the dosage and if I decrease i would have to do a half dosage of a to go bottle. I am 20 years old, 5’6 and hispanic, don’t know if that has anything to do with it. Maybe I have high levels of natural androstenone? Any advice? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/2 "2008-03-26T05:39:49Z")
Do you think that those arguments might happen without pheros? Since ammo won’t be strong enough at 1 spray for fights. Maybe the guys are sensitive to androstenone? Are you an intimadating person or an high alpha that people often challenge? ---
**Author:** ![richter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/richter/32/1158_2.png) [@richter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/richter)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/3 "2008-03-26T05:59:59Z")
That seems a bit interesting to me because I’m hispanic as well. I just recieved my togo bottles today and tomorrow will be the first time I will be using one (ammo) of the three i ordered. Just whoop their ass, J/K. I’ll keep you guys posted as well. Are you full mexican or half or what? I’m half Mex/Salvadoreno ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/4 "2008-03-26T13:51:54Z")
Maybe [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) doesn’t sit well with your persona. How about trying SOE alone? ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/5 "2008-03-27T04:59:31Z")
It definitely is too bad that ammo hasn’t been working for me, since it has proven to be such a great product for most people. I’m not perceived as an intimidating person at all, and I’m not a big guy, but might sometimes give off a slight arrogant vibe. Other than that, most people describe me as very approachable. I’m only half Mexican half Spanish (Barcelona region, so I guess Mediterranean). Do you think it would help to do half a dosage of ammo? ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/6 "2008-03-27T05:21:09Z")
Lots of young guys like to pick fights with guys they see as a challenge and threat…could be the extra none increased the perception of your physical prowess.Because what achievement is it to fight and beat up someone much weaker…absolutely none! Ammo is a bit cocky i guess and if your already seen as a bit arrogant it might backfire. Why not add something light to the mix like instant shine? Maybe that would soften the effect.Say 1x ammo to 2-3 x shine Nbully (of course) has offered some sage advise.Scent of Eros is a balanced blend as is ammo.It may suite you much more dapg01 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/7 "2008-03-27T05:40:25Z")
I have hypothesized for some time that Hispanic males naturally produce higher levels of Androstenone than white or Asian males. You are young and barely passing your peak Androstenone production levels. It is entirely possible that you are getting an OD effect with the Ammo. I am curious though, are these arguments coming from other Hispanics or are they with guys from other races. I am going to surmise that the arguments are not being started by Hispanics, as if my guess is correct they would be accustomed to a higher None signature. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/8 "2008-03-27T14:59:31Z")
It’s really funny that you hypothesized that because you’re right. All the arguments have been with white males. Also my friends didn’t seem to be affected by it (many are white), but it could be due to the fact that as you say they got accustomed to higher levels of none. I also introduced none slowly so they could have gotten used to my new [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) signature, something I don’t have the luxury with strangers. Flaming, I think you’re right in lighting up the mix, instant shine seems like it might help me give a happier vibe. Let me give it a try and I’ll let you know how it goes. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/9 "2008-03-27T19:48:17Z")
You could try diluting it with perfumer’s alcohol or Nautica Competition Yellow as it is supposedly is the same scent as ammo. In an empty vial add 1ml of perfumer’s alcohol or Nautica for every 1 ml of Ammo. It will give you a half dose of Ammo. You could also try diluting it half and half with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). ---
**Author:** ![richter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/richter/32/1158_2.png) [@richter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/richter)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/10 "2008-03-27T20:55:12Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I have hypothesized for some time that Hispanic males naturally produce higher levels of Androstenone than white or Asian males. You are young and barely passing your peak Androstenone production levels. It is entirely possible that you are getting an OD effect with the Ammo. > > I am curious though, are these arguments coming from other Hispanics or are they with guys from other races. I am going to surmise that the arguments are not being started by Hispanics, as if my guess is correct they would be accustomed to a higher None signature. It’s funny that you say that because today instead of spraying 1-spray of Ammo I tried 2-Sprays without ODing and people around me seemed a little bit more happier. Also, I’m 21 yr old hispanic and I talk about the result “Need direction.” I know this because I was around two guys I kind of know in class who didn’t ignore me or anything. I’m probably not producing enough Androstenone and I probably need to up the dosage to 3 sprays of Ammo and I haven’t tried [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Should I spray 1 spray into the 3 sprays of Instant Shine? ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/11 "2008-03-28T00:11:08Z")
I diluted the ammo with instant shine (ratio was almost half and half, maybe a tiny bit more of shine). Any advice on how many sprays or where to spray it? I’ll probably start with one spray of it but not sure if to put it on my chest or neck. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/12 "2009-01-21T01:23:32Z")
I thought I might resurrect the topic since I now know what was happening back then. I’m not entirely sure, but I think the problem was I was wearing 1-2 sprays, but refreshing way too often. I remember wearing two sprays of ammo, half a gel pack of chikara, and refreshing a couple of hours later with the edge; this was just asking for an od. I was very new to [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) at the time and figured that two sprays and refreshing every couple of hours with one more, was not too much, but now I know better. If any of those new to pheromones can’t seem to figure out why you’re od’ing on small dosages, ask yourself how often are you refreshing and remember that -none will remain strong on you for 4-6 hours. Don’t refresh until you really do need it! ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/13 "2009-01-21T03:54:34Z")
Thats probably because you are small so people feel like, “This small guy gives aggressive vibe. I dont like him. Ima teach him a lesson.” ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/14 "2009-01-21T07:02:51Z")
Could be, I guess that’s why I learned to fight in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![jihu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8797f3/32.png) [@jihu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jihu)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-and-violence-need-some-help/10452/15 "2009-01-21T07:23:34Z")
Tested ammo once (yesterday) and I felt more agressive..one older guy even bodychecked me.