# Ammo + asians = Two things that dont mix **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 30, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741 "2008-01-30T01:45:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tweach1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@tweach1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tweach1)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/1 "2008-01-30T01:45:34Z")
EDIT: Ok, some background info, im 18, caucasian,(but not cocky, I am kinda the “nice guy”), and I attend a high school. Ok, I recently got a shipment of ammo, 3 days ago actually, and I must admit, this stuff does not work with asians!!! I live in hawaii, so I go to school with about 80% asians, so my target is… asians. The first day I put on 1 spray to the chest, along with some IS on the neck, and [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 to the chest as well. The first thing I noticed all day was that a lot of the asians were kind of stand offish, not like running from me, but kind of ingoring me kind ofthing, I said hi a few times, to try adn capture some of their attention, but I just got a simple hi back, and then they just kinda floated away from me and talked to someone else, also gave a sort of " I dont feel like talking to you" signal to me as well. Ok I thought, not bad, only the first day. So I go to tennis practice. The whole 2 hours I was there, I was totally shut down from all asian girls. The guys were pretty normal, and thye talked to me ect, but the asian girls… well… nothing. So I tried it again, the next day (1 shot to the chest, 2 Come Talk To Me Mix 2, 1 IS), Got the same results pretty much, pretty stand off ish, but nothing major. They just didn’t talk to me, even with come talk to me 2. Day 3… ( 1 ammo, 2 IS) Well, I wore it again, just to verify that this stuff was the reason asians girls were getting away from me. And in 2nd period, one of the asian girls who sits next to me, who is usually pretty nice and talks to me ect, moved a desk away from me… I don’t know why she moved away from me, it didn’t seem like she had anybody to talk to in the next desk over, maybe she just wanted to get away from me. I don’t know, but she did not talk to me that day, at all, and we usually talk about something everyday. There was a black girl sitting next to me as well, she didn’t seem to really mind, and a couple white girls I know didn’t show much of anything either, just same old same old. It seems asians are repulsed by ammo! I was not acting like “tough guy” or anything those days, just being my normal self, like I usually am, with or without ammo. Does anybody else have experiences with asians not working well with ammo?? What am I doing wrong?? Which pheros should I be using with asians?? ---
**Author:** ![mothra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mothra/32/995_2.png) [@mothra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mothra)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/2 "2008-01-30T03:32:07Z")
as a control, has the ammo positively affected you interactions with other races? ---
**Author:** ![Y3LLoWF3LLoW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/47e85d/32.png) [@Y3LLoWF3LLoW](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Y3LLoWF3LLoW)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/3 "2008-01-30T04:54:53Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) works great for me. Lots of compliments. Its like the equivalent of wearing a casual blazer or suit. But Im asian though so maybe thats y ammo doesnt scare off other asians. ---
**Author:** ![incubusattacks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/incubusattacks/32/1259_2.png) [@incubusattacks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/incubusattacks)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/4 "2008-01-30T06:12:17Z")
I’m asian (Full blooded Philipino to be exact) and i’ve experienced the good and bad of ammo. Ammo SUCKS without a buffer such as [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). People get ANGRY at you for no reason lol. But with a good heaping dose of Instant Shine it’s IOI’s galore. If you want to be succesful with asians, since you’re a caucasian, go easy on the -none and put on a lot of -Nols and Female Magic. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/5 "2008-01-30T09:30:03Z")
I use Ammo regularly, am Asian and live and work mostly with Asians. And I must say, Ammo works great for me. It’s the cat’s meow! Rips. Kickass! It provides well balanced social and personal enhancement with a mild sensual undercurrent. It’s tame enough for work and other professional environments, but still excellent for college and general socializing. College age Asian women are almost always friendly, personable and open, and I have never detected any hint of fear or repulsion. In fact, many are surprisingly bold, flirting and coming on to me after only being in my class for a few weeks. If I wear A314 only they tend to be more reserved and formal. I’m guessing Tweach, the OP, is really young since he mentioned HS in another post, and I’m also willing to bet he is White, or at least is not Asian. The only reason I bring this up is young White guys already produce an abundance of androstenone, so even the small amounts of androstenone in Ammo coupled with typical teenage aggressive or cocky behavior will be prone to OD, hence repulsion. And, yes, I realize he’s probably not trying to be aggressive or cocky, but White guys in Hawaii are perceived as such, often simply because of their differing speech patterns and body language. And to give you a little perspective on this perception, local Asian women are often puzzled when they meet me and ask why I walk 'n talk like a White dude (probably because I grew up in the Pac NW and have graduate degrees). I was oft called TV announcer man… On the other hand, Tweach may find the extra -none boost in Ammo will give him the edge he needs to attract Black and Hispanic women, as well as older women. Personally I wouldn’t recommend [pheromones](https://a314.com/) for HS. Life is confusing enough without adding another level of complexity and financial burden. But if you must, stick to social enhancement pheromones based on androstenol and TAA. ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/6 "2008-01-30T09:37:46Z")
I’m white. Asians love ammo on me. Even when used alone, I get great reactions to ammo from everyone. I read what you said, and to me, it doesn’t sound like ammo is fully to blame. “I said hi a few times, to try adn capture some of their attention, but I just got a simple hi back, and then they just kinda floated away from me and talked to someone else, also gave a sort of " I dont feel like talking to you” signal to me as well." Sounds like delivery and presentation issues more than anything, and the fact that you only tested asians is what leads you to believe that asians don’t like ammo. But you didn’t test ammo alone, and you tested only asians. When you said “There was a black girl sitting next to me as well, she didn’t seem to really mind, and a couple white girls I know didn’t show much of anything either, just same old same old.” that isn’t a trial of anything. It’s just the flow of the world. The same old. You also can’t look at something like “she moved a desk away from me” and take it as anything conclusive. Did you talk to her? I think you should go back to school, wear just one shot of ammo to your chest, and talk to new asian women. Confidently. Like they’re old friends you haven’t seen in a while. Don’t just “hi” and then give up after gauging their reception to your greeting as negative. Be strong, dominant, perseverant. Come up with a different opener than “hi” if it would put you into a stronger inner frame. Then report back and see how you like ammo with asians =) ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/7 "2008-01-30T10:04:38Z")
Hello Tweach1! Very interesting post, thank you for sharing with us your tests. I’m just curious, what etnicity is yours? Because I’ve read on the forum that it’s ok if an Asian boy uses AMMO with Asian girls, while other people, like Black or Caucasians, as they already produce loads of NONEs have bad side effects with AMMOs and Asian girls. If it may be helpful to you, I had my best results with Asian girls wearing only Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (if you have time, you can see my report in my journal about my tests in Asia). It sounds that also MX200 works like magic with Asian girls. I hope it may be helpful. See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/8 "2008-01-30T10:51:01Z")
All my female friends are Asians and they love Ammo, and they are comfortable with me when I sprayed it on… Anyway, we all know that [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) effects differ from person to person which explain why it does not work on some… ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 2:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/9 "2008-01-30T14:55:45Z")
I am pretty sure judging by the reactions you saw that Ammo won’t work on you with Asians (atleast not in the situations you have tried). I am not a big fan of forcing conversation if they are trying to get away from you. We have to read the subtle signals (just like you did, kudos on that!!) and act in a socially acceptable manner. When they want to talk to you, like you or whatever everything flows very naturally, no chasing, pursuing, or forcing is required. You have two other great products CTTM and IS which will give you much better results with Asians. My suggestion would be to drop Ammo and use nothing for a few days (since you already used it continuously even after getting negative signals and probably have buildup) to dissipate none buildup. Then start with CTTM (1 spray) or IS (1 spray). Try only one of them at a time, start low, refresh after few hours. Revisit Ammo when you are done testing CTTM and IS. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/10 "2008-01-30T15:57:36Z")
i’d like to second what nbully79 just said: try just IS, or IS+CTTM. for me one shot of ammo isnt too interesting, in fact it’s pretty boring. if i add one shot of IS, though, people start looking at me and moving closer. if i had more IS left, i’d just use that everyday without the ammo. plus if you dont try just IS, then you’ll never know if it were really the ammo causing the reactions. ---
**Author:** ![GoldenForest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@GoldenForest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GoldenForest)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/11 "2008-01-30T18:13:19Z")
Number 1 your in school which suggests a younger age group, younger people naturally have more phero’s floating about and generally the main phero in ammo is already plentiful at this age, meaning you will VERY easily OD on it Ammo is potent and can be intimidating in high doses, it sounds like your using too much for your target group Asians naturally have very little of the pheromone in ammo (or at least so I have heard) and that could make them more sensitive to it, remember the little disclaimer about how less is more The reactions you talked about seem like clear signs of an OD they feel overwhelmed by your pheromones try 1 shot for a few days and if that doesn’t have better results add a buffer phero as the others have suggested to lessen the effects or make you seem a little less extreme alpha ---
**Author:** ![attractor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@attractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/attractor)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/12 "2008-01-30T18:19:01Z")
I general, I found I’ve had good and bad days with pheromones. When I’m feeling very up they work well and don’t work well when I not feeling up. If you have a bad day and start to believe that ‘Ammo doesn’t work well with Asians’ we can create self effects. The power of belief is amazing and that is whey double blind studies are so important. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/13 "2008-01-30T21:37:52Z")
> [@](#): > > When I’m feeling very up they work well and don’t work well when I not feeling up. This statement is the gospel truth. pheromones aren’t like a new shirt or hairdo. A nice designer shirt or -do makes you look better no matter what. Mones, on the other hand, amp or enhance your given assets and presentation. If you’re depressed or feeling mean, they can amp up a negative vibe just as well as a positive one. If you’re down, it’s better not to use pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/14 "2008-01-30T22:26:38Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > If you’re down, it’s better not to use pheromones. Naaaah, that sounds a little bit like oversimplifying. It’s certainly perfectly true for -none mixes, but if I’m feeling down a good whiff of my favourite feel-good/social mix (IS, IO, P74) sure brings me up again - there’s absolutely no reason to not use mones in this case. But you sure as hell should stay away from -none-heavy products, because when you’re in a bad mood, this will let you be seen in an even darker light… ---
**Author:** ![jonno101](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jonno101/32/367_2.png) [@jonno101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jonno101)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/15 "2008-01-30T23:08:20Z")
Thanks for the marriage guidance tips (a bit late though)! My wife is asian and we fight like cats and dogs 🙄. I’ve long suspected that I’m fairly productive in nones or something, partly becasue of my build (muscular) & ethnicity (black). To the point where prior to discovering this site I successfully used Pherlure to get lots of attention from young girls. Most people reckon that Pherle is pretty weak. So perhaps that explains why our marital problems 😉. Ah well, too late for that now 😃 But back to your thoughts. I haven’t takenammo out for a spin, but am now having second thoughts…I think the advice to start again with a low dosage, but this time be more objective. Treat this like an experiment. I do research for a living, so would say try to split your smple. Try to approach, say 3 asian women, 3 white women and 3 black women. Only then will you begin to build up a realistic profile. And as said earlier, really go for it. these things give you such a confidence boost, so use them and see what gives. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-asians-two-things-that-dont-mix/8741/16 "2008-01-30T23:55:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Naaaah, that sounds a little bit like oversimplifying. It’s certainly perfectly true for -none mixes, but if I’m feeling down a good whiff of my favourite feel-good/social mix (IS, Instant Openness, P74) sure brings me up again - there’s absolutely no reason to not use pheromones in this case. But you sure as hell should stay away from -none-heavy products, because when you’re in a bad mood, this will let you be seen in an even darker light… Perhaps it depends on the individual using. Nevertheless, I’m totally immune to most self-effects, e.g., androstenol and TAA products don’t influence my mood one way or the other. It’s been years since I felt a damn thing! However, when I’m dog tired or feeling especially mean, even androstenol seems to draw attention to this fact and people ask what’s wrong. Without pheromones I’m pretty invisible.