# Ammo-Does it equal respect? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 2, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878 "2007-04-02T23:46:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reaper\_vai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reaper_vai/32/855_2.png) [@Reaper\_vai](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reaper_vai)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/1 "2007-04-02T23:46:15Z")
Having not been able to test the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) since they arrived i was really lookin forward to tonight. I sprayed 1 ammo on each side of neck, 1 instant shine on front of neck and 1 instant openess on back of neck. There were quite a lot of HB’s in the club, but i only stayed for about half an hour so couldn’t really do a lot. As i was leaving i started to talk to the doorman and i noticed that his body language was directed towards me and he was telling me quite a lot about himself. Last time i was there he didn’t say much to me but was talkin a lot to a friend of mine. This time round the attention was towards me. Did it have anything to do with Ammo? Also, how do i increase th erange of the pheromones? If i walk around the lounge area will the HB’s know the pheromones are coming from me? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/2 "2007-04-03T15:30:43Z")
Reaper Good question. When wearing Alpha pheromones (Ammo) it sets you apart from the rest of the schmoos. Couple that with feel good vibe of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and then add some IO for conversation I’d say that was the exact reaction from the bouncer you should expect. Alpha Male who is confident enough he can smile all the while eliciting calming affects to invoke conversation. Good hit. About the question of the lounge. When you walk around the pheromones diffuse throughout the area leaving a trail which is associated with you. Get further away from you the trail diminishes, get closer it reappears. Plus the fact that if you are the alpha male it sends I’m the big dog here signal loud and clear. It’s too bad you didn’t have more time. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/3 "2007-04-03T17:05:34Z")
> [@Reaper\_vai](#): > > \ > > Also, how do i increase th erange of the pheromones? If i walk around the lounge area will the HB’s know the pheromones are coming from me? I increase the **effective** range of pheros in a couple of ways. If I’m in a bar where I’m comfortable doing so, I leave my jacket on my barstool. I’ve sprayed a gram or two (it seems!) of pheros on my leather jacket in the past four months and I touch it up with a spray or two whenever I go out to socialize. Spaceland and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) x4 are probably impregnated into the collar from the back of my neck, -none to the waistband from sprays to my belt and crotch, shine to the front opening and lapels .. you get the picture. My jacket is my surrogate pheromessenger, my phero-totem. It’s not that unusual for me to come back from shooting a game of pool, for example, to find someone has taken the empty barstool next to my jacket, smiling at me when I return (e.g., that’s exactly what happened last night: my jacket had already introduced me; thank you, jacket.) While my jacket is claiming my territory and invigorating people who pass by or sit near it, I am finding a reason to visit almost every area of the bar. I’m shaking hands, hugs, etc. with people I’ve met, just catching up with them, shooting pool, buying a drink, and being introduced to / introducing myself to new people. Hah, the bartenders at my ‘home bar’ used to feel proprietary about me – as if I should choose one bartender and buy all my drinks from him/her. I’ve trained them not to feel slighted if I sit in their area but get up and get a drink from the back bar or just from another bartender on the opposite side of the room. If I am in a strange place, I pump myself up to move and keep moving from one area to another – I will say hello or find some comment to make with someone in each area. The phero trail leads everywhere, criss-crossing the space, but there are ‘pools’ of phero where I stop for a minute to talk. I open with anyone I find attractive, and the casual observer can’t tell whether I’m flirting with someone or just making another social stop, not that it matters much to me. There’s enough social proof implicit in my behavior that most people don’t question why I’m talking to them. * * * Connecting with people all over the bar is easier if you’re comfortable approaching, if you have something to say. I almost always have a few “questions” to ask people that I never phrase as questions, but rather as self-disclosures:Instead of **asking** _“Why do you like this place?”_ I will **make a self-disclosure** and say _“I’m curious to know what you like about this place.”_ First, this establishes that I will be making candid self-disclosures, and invites that person to do the same. Functionally, it’s the same as asking the question, but it pre-empts return questions like “why do you ask that” or “why should I tell you”. If someone wants clarification, I’ll again avoid a direct question and say _“Well, I was wondering what features of this club you found appealing”_ – another self-disclosing statement that functions as a question. (Oh by the way, I make it a point to open with a self-disclosing comment that is 100% and only 100% honest – if I am not curious about what someone likes about the place, I won’t say it. It’s that congruence thing. But I usually AM curious.) If you’re into hypnotic language patterning, you’ll notice that “the place/this club” becomes a transitional object/concept. It makes it easy to slide from talking about what one likes about the place (“I like the low-key atmosphere here”), to telling what one likes about the current conversation (“I like that observation, very witty!”), to what one finds attractive in the other person (“I sense you’re a warm person and I like that in you”) Also, “what do you like about this space/place” is an existential moment, inviting introspection. But it’s still perceived as a “low pressure, low risk” question to answer. Socially, that market-research-type “question” will sometimes make people wonder if you own the place or are working for the owners, but at the very least it establishes that you take a more than casual interest in your surroundings, including the people present there. Not only does the question itself portray you that way, but the fact that you asked the individual that question underscores it. And yes, often enough people will tell me, in thirty seconds, what they are looking for (in general) that night. The Instant Honesty might give them a nudge, of course. Sometimes their answers are in code, but it typically only takes Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs, not the Rosetta Stone, to interpret. And sometimes answers are as explicit as one can get – as if they were just waiting for someone who has a genuine interest to ask.In addition to the “what about this place” question, it takes me about two minutes to look at the front page of a newspaper, or of the Yahoo portal to pick up four or five topical news items that I can use. Todays bits:Mr Universe arrested / believed drunk / actually diabetic British hacker loses US extradition appeal Stem cells –\> heart valves Prehistoric whale found in Tuscany Italy (inland) French train land speed record on rails 357.2 mph All of the above applies to low-to-moderate densities of people in a club or tavern. When the house is really packed, I touch up the shine regularly and don’t move around as much … and it’s purely opportunistic “let the pheros fall where they may.” If anyone has advice for how to deal in a packed club, please let me hear from you. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/4 "2007-04-03T19:14:43Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > If anyone has advice for how to deal in a packed club, please let me hear from you. My experience in using pheros in a club is still quite limited. But it hasn’t really changed what I do. You can go fishing and wait for a fish to snap the bait, but it’s not very exciting is it? What I do is very simple. 1.Find a hot babe that looks like she is single. 2.Go talk to her. If rejected, refer to step #1. It works. Just be sure to be in right mindset and have no fear. So you got turned down. Big whoop! Find another.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Reaper\_vai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reaper_vai/32/855_2.png) [@Reaper\_vai](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reaper_vai)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/5 "2007-04-03T20:57:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **MARKL** > > I leave my jacket on my barstool. I’ve sprayed a gram or two (it seems!) of pheros on my leather jacket in the past four months and I touch it up with a spray or two whenever I go out to socialize. Spaceland and Instant Honesty x4 are probably impregnated into the collar from the back of my neck, -none to the waistband from sprays to my belt and crotch, shine to the front opening and lapels .. you get the picture. Good idea, i’ll keep that one in mind. Something else i forgot to mention. Sittin at the bar, a HB 8.85 walks up to get a drink. She stands about 2 feet to my right for about 40 seconds and then as she’s gettin served i glance at her and she backs off to the right about 6 inches. Any ideas to what could have caused that reaction? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/6 "2007-04-03T23:26:15Z")
Ahh the club, one of my favorite places to socialize. It’s all about the frame and using social validation to get you in. There is way to much to be said in just one thread. I have to say Pheraoh, no offense, but I’m sure you find yourself going from one HB to another more often than not. It’s what every AFC in the club does. Use your skills to build social proof by being seen chatting friendly like with EVERYONE, not just HB’s who shrug you off. By doing such you are DLV. Build rapport with everyone and people, especially the HB’s will say who is that guy. Do what everyone else does and they will say go away. You don’t have to follow any PUA material, just socialize like you are where it is at and you’ll get noticed. I suggest signing up for some free email newsletters from TMM, PickUp101, [VenusionArts.com](http://VenusionArts.com) (The real Mystery site) and 100 others. Oh yeah can’t forget DYD from David D. It’s a staple in my life and a great source for free info. There is so much more that you could be doing to attract women. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/7 "2007-04-04T01:43:47Z")
> [@Reaper\_vai](#): > > She stands about 2 feet to my right for about 40 seconds and then as she’s gettin served i glance at her and she backs off to the right about 6 inches. Probably surprise, unless she’s an accomplished actress. The six hard-wired (innate, unsocialized) emotional responses are fear, disgust, joy, anger, curiosity and surprise. If she was acting, then of course it could be anything. But the behavior seems … impromptu … so I’d guess surprise. You might want to ask on the Women’s Forum, from guys you’re likely to only get scratched heads and guesses 😃; another woman might have some insight. ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/8 "2007-04-04T18:03:56Z")
> [@Reaper\_vai](#): > > Good idea, i’ll keep that one in mind. > > Something else i forgot to mention. Sittin at the bar, a HB 8.85 walks up to get a drink. She stands about 2 feet to my right for about 40 seconds and then as she’s gettin served i glance at her and she backs off to the right about 6 inches. > > Any ideas to what could have caused that reaction? It could have been that she wasn’t attracted to you or that she’s already taken. It could have been your pheromones, but it also could have been visual, since she responded to your motion by looking at you then moving away. What pheros were you wearing? ---
**Author:** ![Reaper\_vai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reaper_vai/32/855_2.png) [@Reaper\_vai](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reaper_vai)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/9 "2007-04-04T20:02:13Z")
1 ammo on each side of neck, 1 instant shine on front of neck and 1 instant openness on back of neck. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/10 "2007-04-05T05:54:08Z")
How about the ultimate phero surprise: she looked at you from across the bar and discounted you as romantic partner potential – but then after standing nearby for a minute, she “got” the pheromessage and was startled… Backing away as a body language gesture almost always means one of two things: a fear response, or trying to get “perspective.” I don’t think it was fear from what you said. Usually fear is very easy to recognize. So I think she had some “new data” that she wanted to get some perspective on – some surprising new data. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 9:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/11 "2007-04-05T09:32:01Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > I have to say Pheraoh, no offense, but I’m sure you find yourself going from one HB to another more often than not. It’s what every AFC in the club does. Use your skills to build social proof by being seen chatting friendly like with EVERYONE, not just HB’s who shrug you off. By doing such you are DLV. No offense at all. Giving off a DLV isn’t an issue for me. I’m not insecure with myself and I could care less what others think of me. I don’t worry about how others value me, it’s my own self worth that matters. Worrying and letting others dictate my worth is no way to live for me. Women that don’t think I’m worth it aren’t even worth it in the first place. Some people love to entice with their smoke and mirrors and fancy mystery games. I’m blunt, and I always will be 😃 Call me a fool, but I can’t be anything but myself. How-to-get-laid books are all fine and dandy, but I don’t like the whole shapeshifting reptilian personality so I can get a gal into bed routine. ---
**Author:** ![Reaper\_vai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reaper_vai/32/855_2.png) [@Reaper\_vai](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reaper_vai)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/12 "2007-04-05T21:17:22Z")
How many rejections would you stop at? Not saying you get rejected a lot but if it was me i would be very uncomfortable, what if the next girl you try to talk to knows the previous? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-does-it-equal-respect/2878/13 "2007-04-05T21:51:35Z")
You are equating game to getting laid when really its all about positive social interactions. You are misinformed. In fact most PU skills teach people to be who they are, while bettering themselves. There’s nothing reptilian about about bettering yourself is there? Are you saying you wouldn’t take a speech class if you spoke with a lisp because it is who you are? We all try and better ourselves and our lives and absolutely 100% there are outside influences we look toward to help us with this. Deny it all you want but everybody cares or you wouldn’t buy nice clothes, or for that matter bother to even go to a club. There is no human that is indifferent to others. If you really didn’t care why not just sit at the bar and let everyone come to you?