# Ammo Double Strength? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 19, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812 "2009-07-19T07:39:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/1 "2009-07-19T07:39:22Z")
Double none? or double scent? double steer-ers? Double what? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 7:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/2 "2009-07-19T07:44:22Z")
Double -none my friend, 5 mcg per spray to be exact while the regular AMMO just has 2.5 mcg per spray. I _think_ that’s the only thing that’s doubled. > [@psylocybin](#): > > Double none? or double scent? double steer-ers? Double what? ---
**Author:** ![Ur\_Conqueror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ur\_Conqueror](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ur_Conqueror)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/3 "2009-07-19T07:46:55Z")
it means double strength of none so you don’t have to spray as much as the regular ammo ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/4 "2009-07-19T07:56:41Z")
ic. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/5 "2009-07-19T14:50:52Z")
Most men dont need Double unless your over 35 or 40. It can actually be to much anone and cause the OD effect. Not sure how old you are cause its not on your profile. I noticed from your other posts you are leaning way to far on the high anone products there. You need some socials to balance them out a bit. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ToBeOrNotToBe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb9ed0/32.png) [@ToBeOrNotToBe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ToBeOrNotToBe)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/6 "2009-07-19T17:05:02Z")
> [@psylocybin](#): > > Double none? or double scent? double steer-ers? Double what? According to what’s writen in their website, it’s double overall [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) content (none, nol and rone), not just -none. Not double scent (in fact, by using less sprays, the scent will be less intense). ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/7 "2009-07-19T20:05:43Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Most men dont need Double unless your over 35 or 40. It can actually be to much anone and cause the OD effect. Not sure how old you are cause its not on your profile. I noticed from your other posts you are leaning way to far on the high anone products there. You need some socials to balance them out a bit. > > Tisha Hey TIsha I’m actually 16. 🙂 I just want to conserve my pheros by mixing them with Androstenol. And [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/). I can’t remember but Im pretty sure theres little to no None in mx200 as well right? So mixing them with the High none content products will help me A) Do many experiments, and B) Conserve pheros. ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/8 "2009-07-19T20:12:49Z")
To Stop myself from Overdosing, I’ll just adjust the ratio of None: [MX200](https://a314.com/product/mx200/)/Androstenol. Besides, I found that if I find myself to be ODing, I just force myself to act more congruent. Actually, It’s not even forcing myself really, its more like my instincts start “voicing” their opinions on what I should do, and I just do what I feel like, rather than rationalizing every thought that goes on in my head.. So its actually the opposite of forcing myself and more like going with the flow… Which IS congruency. yeahh? everyone with me? ---
**Author:** ![reishi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reishi/32/411_2.png) [@reishi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reishi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/9 "2009-07-19T21:13:51Z")
Yeah, I ordered a full bottle of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) a few months ago and it was upped to 2x as a courtesy which was freaking awesome and totally unexpected but a full spray is too much for me at double strength. So I just rig it to where I only take a half spray or 3/4 at most ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/10 "2009-07-19T22:04:28Z")
> [@ToBeOrNotToBe](#): > > According to what’s writen in their website, it’s double overall pheromone content (none, nol and rone), not just -none. > > Not double scent (in fact, by using less sprays, the scent will be less intense). I think tobe is right, Ammo 2X is double mone contents with the same ratio of androstenol, androsterone and androstenone. Realize you can get exactly the same amount of mones by spraying Ammo 1X twice as much. Ammo 2X is for those wishing to use higher mones doses without smelling like that “cologne guy” every office seems to have. My experience with Ammo 2X is the cologne fades away too quickly and leaves you smelling like, ah, funky mones. I used to buy Ammo 2X and cut it 1:1 with NAutica Completion (a cologne that smells almost exactly like the original Ammo). It was a bit cheaper that way. All that ended when Game replaced the Ammo scent. I no longer use Ammo. CAn’t stand game… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/11 "2009-07-20T00:19:42Z")
At 16 1 spray of regular strength can be to much, try using half sprays if you see the ghost effect. The thing that sucks about that though is you cover less body area which makes for less diffusion of the mones. Without diffusion you have to be very close to your targets. MX200 is very low anone already so you wont have to dilute it or balance it if you don’t want to. It has 6 main [pheromones](https://a314.com/), and 9 secondary ones (17 pheromones total) I believe P93 may be a major component in this one. A mix with that many mones is easy to screw up when you don’t know whats in it. Certain mones don’t mix well with others but layering is fine so keep this in mind. Tobe is correct all the mones are doubled not just anone the scent is the same. OD effect is not just being aggressive or voicing opinions. Women get turned off by the vibe. Some will ignore you and you get the ghost effect and some will get annoyed by you. That’s why we always warned the younger crowd in the intro section not to over do the anone products. Younger ladies especially don’t like the vibe. IJ you will really really need to buffer, It has more then 7.5 mcg anone per spray and the copulins do not buffer it at all. Thing is from what you mentioned you bought (unless I missed some of them ) you are going very high on the anone and low on the socials so you dont have much to buffer with. I know some of the new guys in here think (what the hell does she know she uses the womens products ) LOL 😃 I was the mone advisor here a long time before I stepped down and was taught by the best in the business, Steve Jas and some of the other long time mone users. Plus years of study and testing. I am not trying to discourage you just save you from ruining your products. I get a lot of pleas for help from members who do this and sometimes we can figure out something to add to fix it and sometimes not. Once you ruin it the guarantee is void. I do understand you wanting to conserve though, but that will only serve you if it works for you. I suggest you invest in a few empty to-go bottles and take it slow when you mix at first. First test layering and when you feel you have hit your sweet spot use Dianes method of mixing in a bottle. Spray right into the empty to-go bottle (carefully) So suppose you use a 1 to 3 ratio which is normal for buffering. Spray 1 spray of ammo in the bottle and 3 of anol. For IJ and TUTH you will find you may need to go even higher in ratio. 1 spray of TUTH and 4 sprays of ammo. Tuth has 2.5 mcg of anone with little buffering so it comes on strong. 2X has 5 mcg’s IJ has 7.5 or more. I have to look at my notes but I know its either that or 12.5. By using this method you can spray 2 or 3 doses into the to-go bottle and you take less risk ruining mones if the mix doesn’t work. Believe me nothing is worse then having a perfectly good bottle of product that you ruin by mixing it with something else. Been there done that and it can be expensive. Just take it slow and careful and you will do fine. Oh and this is why its important to put your age next to your name or make people aware of your age when asking questions. Alot of the guys gave wonderful advice for what works for them but most of them are in there 20’s and 30’s so what works for them wont work for you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/12 "2009-07-20T00:30:52Z")
Tish is right man, I had forgotten that you’re very young. So now I actually suggest you just go with the regular AMMO because of a few reasons, one being that you’ll be able to wear more which will lead to _a LARGER surface area being covered_ and having _a better chance for it diffusing well_, and second for the fact that you’ll be able to divide AMMO applications every four to six hours without having to wipe off your previous AMMO application for fear of an OD effect. However, if you are indeed going/or planning on mixing AMMO and fear diluting the -none in AMMO then I guess heavy AMMO will be a better choice. However, just make sure to up the socials/buffer to avoid possible OD if wearing it alone. There’s a lot to keep in mind, and Tish just gave you some pretty good advice. Another thing to note is who knows just how well AMMO scent, neroli scent, and Spaceland scent will smell like mixed together _in_ a to-go bottle as it’s way easier to get away with this possible smell contamination when just spraying everything on your skin. So really, who knows what all of this will smell like blended together in a to-go. > [@tisha23](#): > > At 16 1 spray of regular strength can be to much, try using half sprays if you see the ghost effect. The thing that sucks about that though is you cover less body area which makes for less diffusion of the mones. Without diffusion you have to be very close to your targets. > > MX200 is very low anone already so you wont have to dilute it or balance it if you don’t want to. It has 6 main pheromones, and 9 secondary ones (17 pheromones total) I believe P93 may be a major component in this one. A mix with that many mones is easy to screw up when you don’t know whats in it. Certain mones don’t mix well with others but layering is fine so keep this in mind. > > Tobe is correct all the mones are doubled not just anone the scent is the same. > > OD effect is not just being aggressive or voicing opinions. Women get turned off by the vibe. Some will ignore you and you get the ghost effect and some will get annoyed by you. That’s why we always warned the younger crowd in the intro section not to over do the anone products. Younger ladies especially don’t like the vibe. > > IJ you will really really need to buffer, It has more then 7.5 mcg anone per spray and the copulins do not buffer it at all. Thing is from what you mentioned you bought (unless I missed some of them ) you are going very high on the anone and low on the socials so you dont have much to buffer with. > > I know some of the new guys in here think (what the hell does she know she uses the womens products ) LOL 😃 I was the mone advisor here a long time before I stepped down and was taught by the best in the business, Steve Jas and some of the other long time mone users. Plus years of study and testing. I am not trying to discourage you just save you from ruining your products. I get a lot of pleas for help from members who do this and sometimes we can figure out something to add to fix it and sometimes not. Once you ruin it the guarantee is void. > > I do understand you wanting to conserve though, but that will only serve you if it works for you. I suggest you invest in a few empty to-go bottles and take it slow when you mix at first. First test layering and when you feel you have hit your sweet spot use Dianes method of mixing in a bottle. > > Spray right into the empty to-go bottle (carefully) > > So suppose you use a 1 to 3 ratio which is normal for buffering. > > Spray 1 spray of ammo in the bottle and 2 of anol. > > For IJ and TUTH you will find you may need to go even higher in ratio. > > 1 spray of TUTH and 4 sprays of ammo. Tuth has 2.5 mcg of anone with little buffering so it comes on strong. 2X has 5 mcg’s > > IJ has 7.5 or more. I have to look at my notes but I know its either that or 12.5. > > By using this method you can spray 2 or 3 doses into the to-go bottle and you take less risk using mones if the mix doesn’t work. > > Believe me nothing is worse then having a perfectly good bottle of product that you ruin by mixing it with something else. Been there done that and it can be expensive. Just take it slow and careful and you will do fine. > > Tisha ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/13 "2010-02-11T05:27:40Z")
what’s a better option for a 38 year old guy? Ammo 2X Regular Ammo plus TuTH equal ratio of each Or is my none level likely low enough that I could benefit from Ammo 2X and TuTH? I already have a bottle of TuTH and really haven’t experienced any OD effects yet used as many as 4 sprays. ---
**Author:** ![Liam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/liam/32/2197_2.png) [@Liam](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 1:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/14 "2010-02-11T13:20:22Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > My experience with Ammo 2X is the cologne fades away too quickly and leaves you smelling like, ah, funky mones. As i’m 39 years old i was leaning toward ordering x2 ammo too but this statement worries me a little 😕 This concerns the original ammo pre-game scent, can someone comment on this about FF21 / FF22 x2 ammo versions ? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/15 "2010-02-13T01:07:54Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > what’s a better option for a 38 year old guy? > Ammo 2X > Regular Ammo plus TuTH equal ratio of each > Or is my none level likely low enough that I could benefit from Ammo 2X and TuTH? > > I already have a bottle of TuTH and really haven’t experienced any OD effects yet used as many as 4 sprays. I’m asking for a bar/club type of environment and I’d like to go as attraction and sexual based as possible without OD ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/16 "2010-02-13T01:15:56Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I’m asking for a bar/club type of environment and I’d like to go as attraction and sexual based as possible without OD Since you’re 37 you can probably handle a bit more -none hence the reason why you haven’t experienced much negatives from -none yet. So if you already have AMMO at regular strength then just try to add some TUTH to “season.” Keep in mind though, that Double AMMO has double the Alpha Androstenol and Androsterone as well at 5 mcg as the -none, instead of everything being dosed at 2.5 mcg as in regular strength AMMO. So you may (or may not) need more Alpha Androstenol and/or Androsterone depending on your specific needs/buffering needs. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/17 "2010-02-13T01:19:27Z")
Well I don’t have ANY Ammo yet, which is why I’m asking, not sure which version to invest in. TuTH I have and I figure that plus Ammo would be fine, but wasn’t sure if TuTh plus Ammo2X would be overkill ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/18 "2010-02-13T01:23:57Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Well I don’t have ANY Ammo yet, which is why I’m asking, not sure which version to invest in. TuTH I have and I figure that plus Ammo would be fine, but wasn’t sure if TuTh plus Ammo2X would be overkill Oh, in that case yes Double AMMO plus TUTH could be overkill. Three sprays of Double AMMO equal 15 mcg of -none, so it depends on your needs. I tend to believe that -none can be buffered even at higher mcg levels as long as you have adequate buffering, Alpha Androstenol being my personal favorite. You will just need to go through a lot of trial and error to see what will work best for you. ---
**Author:** ![McGarrett](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mcgarrett/32/792_2.png) [@McGarrett](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/McGarrett)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/19 "2010-02-13T23:31:46Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Most men dont need Double unless your over 35 or 40. It can actually be to much anone and cause the OD effect. Not sure how old you are cause its not on your profile. I noticed from your other posts you are leaning way to far on the high anone products there. You need some socials to balance them out a bit. > > Tisha I just bought AMMO for the first time and it has yet to arrive. Just wondering from this post if I should have bought the double? I am 59. Could I use more sprays to make up for it until I reorder?? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812/20 "2010-02-13T23:35:18Z")
depending on how long ago you placed your order you could call them and change it if it hasn’t shipped yet [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-double-strength/30812.md?page=2)