# Ammo hasn't worked for me like I wanted :( **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 26, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500 "2014-03-26T18:21:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/1 "2014-03-26T18:21:44Z")
I tried ammo a few times already, but I haven’t noticed any IOI. I was doing 2 sprays on my neck and then I tried 3 sprays and nothing. I am thinking I got to try something else. On the other hand I think it has worked well for me when I went out on a date with this girl (asked her out at the gym with no ammo) and she made out with on the first date. I think when it has also helped with my approaches in a bar. What I really wanted from ammo was more looks from girls, instead I just have to approach them without any IOI from them. Any thing I should try? I use ammo when I am at school and when I go out to bars. I have ammo, IO, IH, & TUTH I am also interested in A314 for my my work life since I work in a office 8 hours a day. I heard it is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/2 "2014-03-26T19:26:21Z")
It’s highly possible that girls do look at you when you don’t see it. Are you sure you’re good at spotting IOI’s? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/3 "2014-03-26T19:43:17Z")
Also, mones will never entirely replace the need to approach/make eye contact/signal interest - but they do make life easier once you do. I agree with Misein - you have probably got a lot more IOIs than you noticed. Sometimes they can be very subtle indeed and you need to be aware of them so you can respond. Off to the IOI thread with you! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/4 "2014-03-26T19:52:18Z")
A couple of years ago I did a borderline unethical experiment with a spy cam to check the effectiveness of mones. You know that the camera doesn’t lie. I got far more looks than I ever would notice. Women look but only the bold want you to see that they do. And a DIHL is another, more rare phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/5 "2014-03-26T20:02:23Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > A couple of years ago I did a borderline unethical experiment with a spy cam to check the effectiveness of mones. You know that the camera doesn’t lie. > I got far more looks than I ever would notice. Women look but only the bold want you to see that they do. > > And a DIHL is another, more rare phenomenon. Yeah I have been wanting a DIHL but no luck. I guess I could try harder on detecting IOI, although when I was eating celery I was definitely picking up on IOI, but I had to eat my bodyweight haha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/6 "2014-03-26T20:03:40Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > A couple of years ago I did a borderline unethical experiment with a spy cam to check the effectiveness of mones. You know that the camera doesn’t lie. > I got far more looks than I ever would notice. Women look but only the bold want you to see that they do. > > And a DIHL is another, more rare phenomenon. The one that got posted here, then binned? Yes, I remember that - Quite utterly scurrilous of you - but it proved a point! 😛😃 But yes, it is more than looks, however nice they are to get - you need something that carries beyond and delivers when you actually talk to them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/7 "2014-03-26T20:06:37Z")
No, I never put any footage online. I felt like an utter bastard just watching it myself but it was educational indeed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/8 "2014-03-26T20:13:11Z")
Ahh - OK, someone else did and it was an education. Still, learning to keep a better eye-out for the more subtle IOIs is worthwhile. 🙂 I must also say that it encouraged me to incorporate a camera into my more intimate moments more often and boy, did it prove useful - In the right moods, most women really like to let-go in front of a lens, so long as they know the results will be discretely handled or even deleted if they change their minds. I have a hard disc of the results securely stowed and so-far, **nobody** has ever asked me to scrub anything! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/9 "2014-03-26T20:13:51Z")
> [@ocantu1987](#): > > Yeah I have been wanting a DIHL but no luck. > > I guess I could try harder on detecting IOI, although when I was eating celery I was definitely picking up on IOI, but I had to eat my bodyweight haha You don’t need to try detecting a DIHL, not even at all. You’ll know when you get one. Edit: My bad, I thought you said DIHL, not IOI. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/10 "2014-03-27T01:55:23Z")
Don’t give up on the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) just yet but you may want to combine it with something. The DIHL is a peculiar thing, I have had it with Ammo but only once. Gotten maybe a half dozen overall during these four years I’ve used mones. Totally unpredictable thing. Couldn’t possibly come up with a mix that’s gonna guarantee one. At least one memorable time I hit a girl so hard with a mix she’d previously been repeatedly exposed to that she suddenly got struck with total DIHL one night. Guess everything must’ve been in place, the stars were aligned, it was the exact right moment of the month for her etc. Maybe I had spinach in my teeth, or maybe it was the first time I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/11 "2014-03-27T12:08:51Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Don’t give up on the Ammo just yet but you may want to combine it with something. > > The DIHL is a peculiar thing, I have had it with Ammo but only once. Gotten maybe a half dozen overall during these four years I’ve used mones. Totally unpredictable thing. Couldn’t possibly come up with a mix that’s gonna guarantee one. > > At least one memorable time I hit a girl so hard with a mix she’d previously been repeatedly exposed to that she suddenly got struck with total DIHL one night. > Guess everything must’ve been in place, the stars were aligned, it was the exact right moment of the month for her etc. Maybe I had spinach in my teeth, or maybe it was the first time I didn’t. What do you suggest I combine ammo with? ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/12 "2014-03-27T16:00:28Z")
> [@ocantu1987](#): > > What do you suggest I combine ammo with? Anything with nols, from Androtics that would mean IH, IO or a-nol/b-nol as Experimone. P74 is also nice. A314 and Ammo go well together in combination with these socials. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is highly touted but while I do get a slight mood elevation from it, I’m not a fan because it wears off long before anything else. I can do with Ammo as a standalone, two sprays tops. Anything over that and I need buffers. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/13 "2014-03-27T16:08:38Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Anything with nols, from Androtics that would mean IH, IO or a-nol/b-nol as Experimone. P74 is also nice. A314 and Ammo go well together in combination with these socials. > Instant Shine is highly touted but while I do get a slight mood elevation from it, I’m not a fan because it wears off long before anything else. > > I can do with Ammo as a standalone, two sprays tops. Anything over that and I need buffers. Hmm, I was thinking of picking up IS along with A314 & IG. I keep hearing IS with ammo works great. Another question, when it comes to young girls I hear [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) can be too strong for them. I am talking to this girl who is 21, can I use ammo? ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/14 "2014-03-27T16:28:51Z")
> [@ocantu1987](#): > > Hmm, I was thinking of picking up IS along with A314 & IG. I keep hearing IS with ammo works great. > > Another question, when it comes to young girls I hear pheromones can be too strong for them. I am talking to this girl who is 21, can I use ammo? The drawback with IS is that it fades rapidly. Some think it’s fine and may refresh every now and then during the day/night.. I’ve never tried IG. Girls in their early 20’s haven’t had negative responses to me when I’ve worn Ammo, and though I’m 42 I think I produce a fair amount of none since I OD easily on poorly buffered none products. Guess you’ll just have to try. Ammo isn’t a very aggressive product, so you should be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/15 "2014-03-27T16:57:12Z")
Two things that could help here .. what kind of women you’re targeting .. caucasian .. latin .. asian ?? in what scenarios you’re using Ammo ? Bars .. Clubs, Gym .. ? Cheers, **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/16 "2014-03-27T17:41:59Z")
> [@Pagodeiro](#): > > Two things that could help here .. > > what kind of women you’re targeting .. caucasian .. latin .. asian ?? > > in what scenarios you’re using Ammo ? Bars .. Clubs, Gym .. ? > > Cheers, > > **Pago** Latin women only haha I use ammo only at community college at night and at bars on the weekend. I never use ammo at work since I heard it can get hostile if do (I work in a office) Any advice you can give I am welcome to it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/17 "2014-03-27T17:57:05Z")
> [@ocantu1987](#): > > Latin women only haha > > I use ammo only at community college at night and at bars on the weekend. I never use ammo at work since I heard it can get hostile if do (I work in a office) > > Any advice you can give I am welcome to it 🙂 Some women might be intimidated with AMMO, combine it with IG, something like 2 or 3 sprays. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/18 "2014-03-27T18:50:34Z")
> [@ocantu1987](#): > > Latin women only haha More/higher proportion of None then - get some TUTH in-there! 😃 And some IG/IS won’t go-amiss either. ---
**Author:** ![ocantu1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f04885/32.png) [@ocantu1987](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ocantu1987)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/19 "2014-03-27T20:11:56Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > More/higher proportion of None then - get some TUTH in-there! 😃 > > And some IG/IS won’t go-amiss either. Yeah mobo I have TUTH, I read that you can use it as long as you buffer it. Would it be safe at school if I add IS with my TUTH? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2014, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500/20 "2014-03-28T13:04:24Z")
IS won’t moderate a great deal, although it might help a bit. Better to use something else, or use TUTH to increase the Androstenone proportion relative to Ammo - You will still get moderation from the other components. If you are currently doing 2-3 sprays Ammo, try adding 1-2 sprays TUTH to start with - this will raise the Androstenone proportion relative to everything else . [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-hasnt-worked-for-me-like-i-wanted/61500.md?page=2)