# Ammo + IS good combo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 13, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839 "2013-01-13T03:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![abc-123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@abc-123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/abc-123)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/1 "2013-01-13T03:51:32Z")
Hi bros, I was very interested int his stuff a while back but for some reason I just stopped looking at it and such. I THINK I decided that ammo and instant shine would be a good combo but i can’t remember if that was a good combo or what. just looking to wear it about my normal day and hope to get the best results (women hitting on me and getting all hot and bothered around me). so is it a good combo? and iv never used any mones before. thanks I had a few posts on here a while back (I tried to find them so i could see the combo i decided on), but they must have dissapeared coz i havent logged on in so long ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/2 "2013-01-13T05:02:30Z")
Ammo and IShine is a very good mix, I’d say the best of the consumer line products when it comes to daygaming or daytime attraction. Remember while you may get some IOI from women it’s up to you to react. Also they won’t be obviously falling for you immediately, but you’ll get some subtle yet, if you pay attention, obvious IOI if you wear those 2 products in the right dosage. PS: [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and a product of your choice (not IShine or not much of it) also is an awesome mix. I wore it with IG the other day…felt great 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/3 "2013-01-13T11:28:19Z")
Yes [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS is very good mix When I go to the club Ammo + IS + P83 is something I really like Its hard to decide if I need or want to alter that combo by adding a touch of IO or IH, or IG or A314 but imo Ammo + IS + P83 is great for the club, I havent really worn that combo much during daygame ---
**Author:** ![abc-123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@abc-123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/abc-123)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/4 "2013-01-13T16:37:49Z")
Also, are there any studies or experience with any of these [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (specifically these 2) lowering testosterone levels or GH (growth hormone) levels? I’m a bodybuilder and need to know if it has those effects so i know not to use them. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/5 "2013-01-13T16:47:24Z")
> [@abc-123](#): > > Also, are there any studies or experience with any of these pheromones (specifically these 2) lowering testosterone levels or GH (growth hormone) levels? I’m a bodybuilder and need to know if it has those effects so i know not to use them. thanks. I dont know. I do remember passing by someones comment that they use some scent or oil or something on themselves because it increases their HGH, they where also into bodybuilding. Sorry I dont remember which things they wore but a forum search (or thread post) on HGH could turn up some interesting information ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/6 "2013-01-14T03:56:06Z")
IS AMMO by itself is too nice and bingo like for me.. then again i’m over 35.. i think the scent sucks in ff21.. i’ve tried in akuto and didn’t like it either.. On the other hand a314 in akuto smells fantastic . On the other hand I do feel IS AMMO attracts blondes and younger women.. So if your after women in their early 20’s to 30 and looking for a relaxed vibe it does provide that. Personally I think my problem is I can’t tolerate scents to well because of my allergies and sinuses.. This I’m stuck sticking to neroli. Problem is [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) doesn’t diffuse well. Its so weak a scent. Thus I only get proper results from IS AMMO when I mix it in with socials like IO IH and throw in p75. All in neroli.. Now I wish I could tolerate better and stronger scents and I think my results with mones would be better, but it simply doesn’t work for me. A cologne man I am not. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/7 "2013-01-15T05:44:54Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Yes Ammo + IS is very good mix > > When I go to the club Ammo + IS + P83 is something I really like > > Its hard to decide if I need or want to alter that combo by adding a touch of IO or IH, or IG or A314 > > but imo Ammo + IS + P83 is great for the club, I havent really worn that combo much during daygame Why do you say its great for the club and not for daygame? What about restaurants..have you tried it there? Or the mall? ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/8 "2013-01-15T08:10:30Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Why do you say its great for the club and not for daygame? > > What about restaurants..have you tried it there? Or the mall? Hi, _I don’t_ claim it is bad for daygame 😃 > [@](#): > > imo Ammo + IS + P83 is great for the club, I havent really worn that combo much during daygame I just meant I have done more nightclub game than daygame! Mysterion does alot of daygame I presume, so I would take his word for it on how it works for daygame ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/9 "2013-01-15T08:16:14Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Ammo and IShine is a very good mix, I’d say the best of the consumer line products when it comes to daygaming or daytime attraction. Remember while you may get some IOI from women it’s up to you to react. Also they won’t be obviously falling for you immediately, but you’ll get some subtle yet, if you pay attention, obvious IOI if you wear those 2 products in the right dosage. > > PS: Summer Ammo and a product of your choice (not IShine or not much of it) also is an awesome mix. I wore it with IG the other day…felt great 🙂 Have you tried summer ammo p75 p83 for daygame, or summer ammo p75 for daygame? What are you thoughts? Do you prefer IS ammo over summer ammo, and if so why? thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/10 "2013-01-15T08:51:25Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Have you tried summer ammo p75 p83 for daygame, or summer ammo p75 for daygame? What are you thoughts? > > Do you prefer IS ammo over summer ammo, and if so why? > > thanks! [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) P75 P83 - Nope Summer Ammo P75 - Check. But I didn’t dillute my P75, it was a freebie and came as 5 mcg. So I spray one P75 on 2 Ammo SE, but I think I get some OD effects. It affects me pretty heavily (negatively) as standalone, but I think the TAA / P130 in Ammo SE compensates for that pretty much (I suspect P130 to be the cure in question). So they seem to go well together. I have only done 4 days of testing IN THE COLD, so my results are so vague that I didnt report about them yet. I think it’s a very OK daygame mix given moderate dosage of the P75 is used. The reactions I get with 5 mcg P75 seem to be more extreme, like some women’s IOI become more obvious than ever, or they look at me like I were a creep. Sorry no detailed reports before I get repeated results (remember the “report” I posted is only vague) so I can grasp the effect of that mix better. That won’t really happen before it’s getting warmer, unless I decide to wear it in a cafe or so. But I can tell you that it’s worth a shot, give it a try! PS: Whatever you like to use Summer Ammo with, I personally got a sweet spot of 3x IShine and with 2 x Summer Ammo and 1 x IShine I come closer to that desired effect than without the extra IShine. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/11 "2013-01-15T18:33:31Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > PS: Whatever you like to use Summer Ammo with, I personally got a sweet spot of 3x IShine and with 2 x Summer Ammo and 1 x IShine I come closer to that desired effect than without the extra IShine. Is this because summer ammo already has the TAA in it? I megadosed myself with IS afew times, felt abit spaced out lol I might use abit less IS in my mix, now that my SE Ammo has just arrived 🙂 (old Ammo run out) ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 6:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/12 "2013-01-16T06:52:10Z")
Hello, > [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Is this because summer ammo already has the TAA in it? > > I megadosed myself with IS afew times, felt abit spaced out lol > > I might use abit less IS in my mix, now that my SE Ammo has just arrived 🙂 (old Ammo run out) Yes, what I indirectly said was: [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) seems to have less TAA than IShine, so to come closer to my TAA sweet spot I have to spray IShine once. It doesn’t apply to everybody, it’s just the balance between my -none and TAA. One more spray of Summer Ammo and I’d have too much -none, if I get the right -none dosage I lack TAA. Got my drift? PS: the TAA dosage in Summer Ammo is unknown, thus what I said was my personal impression and not some kind of confirmed fact. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/13 "2013-01-16T10:01:32Z")
Also remember that the TAA in summer Ammo is unsteered, so it will be a little more restrained and laid back compared to IS, which has two extra components that change it noticably. However, using IS alongside summer Ammo will mean that the IS steering will carry over to the TAA in [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) somewhat, lifting its presence in the overall mix. And Summer Ammo, P75 and P83 in daytime - yes, its a good one around a wide range of women but especially younger ones - I’ve had a lot of fun/social flirting with it but the P83 can be almost superfluous if you are in situations where you can’t capitalise on its physical properties. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/14 "2013-01-16T10:11:38Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > And Summer Ammo, P75 and P83 in daytime - yes, its a good one around a wide range of women but especially younger ones - **I’ve had a lot of fun/social flirting with it but the P83 can be almost superfluous if you are in situations where you can’t capitalise on its physical properties**. DO you think p83 is next to useless in an environment where you only talk to a woman for a few min exposure or does it still serve a purpose in increasing her attraction so she feels like sticking around longer than those few minutes or finds a way to hover around your cloud or return to it (stalking)? I figure ammo summer makes women chase as your so chilled. p75 makes women follow you and makes you bold enough to talk. And p83 makes women kino you making it their idea that they are interested (Leading back to women chasing you). As an older man chasing a younger woman is difficult especially the 10’s.. So I’d rather have them think its their idea to chase me… I lead with some basic talk and stuff but sooner or later I have to get matters outside the restaurant.. I would normally ask for a date during this time I have with them but this girl has already flaked once when I texted her… I can’t make a second approach unless I’m sure SHE’s into ME or I’ll come across real desparate. She’s 21 white. And my crush. I feel summer ammo not ammo is the ticket as you don’t come across desparate. Am I right here? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/15 "2013-01-16T10:35:52Z")
I’ve been using P83 much more sparingly and in a more targeted way since the last drought and yes, I would say you can do without it in a lot of situations where getting physical isn’t going to be so likely, or you can use a lot less of it to much the same effect. IME, well chosen social moderators can be just as effective at promoting kino from a woman and yes, P83 can help a bit but its not an attraction promoter in the same way as P75 &/or a social/sexy mix on its own. However, where **you** are going to be initiating or in a situation where you will be in close proximity and touching a lot that P83 really gives its best. Dancing, concerts, crowds etc. And if I was faced with the choice, I would keep the P75 over the P83 for many daytime scenarios with [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - Those two go so well together and if you are prone to positive self effects from it, then all the better. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/16 "2013-01-16T10:42:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve been using P83 much more sparingly and in a more targeted way since the last drought and yes, I would say you can do without it in a lot of situations where getting physical isn’t going to be so likely, or you can use a lot less of it to much the same effect. IME, well chosen social moderators can be just as effective at promoting kino from a woman and yes, P83 can help a bit but its not an attraction promoter in the same way as P75 &/or a social/sexy mix on its own. However, where **you** are going to be initiating or in a situation where you will be in close proximity and touching a lot that P83 really gives its best. Dancing, concerts, crowds etc. > > And if I was faced with the choice, I would keep the P75 over the P83 for many daytime scenarios with Summer Ammo - Those two go so well together and if you are prone to positive self effects from it, then all the better. 🙂 Why did this work for me? 2 sprays summer ammo 1 spray p75 10 am go out to mall and relax. Nighttime, 1 spray tuth. Go to swiss chalet and chill. I found my crush wasn’t taking me to my seat but an older woman was.. However, I found my crush later in the restaurant and said hi to her and talked to her.. i found she was more receptive to me. Now i didn’t take a shower after the p75 summer ammo so I probably had sufficient none buildup.. And I hit the restaurant around 5 pm.. i hear p75 can last for 6-7 hrs on the skin. Maybe it was gone but the self effects stayed with me. Who knows. i don’t know if I stumbled on a goldmine here but can you analyze what happened here? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/17 "2013-01-16T10:55:12Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve been using P83 much more sparingly and in a more targeted way since the last drought and yes, I would say you can do without it in a lot of situations where getting physical isn’t going to be so likely, or you can use a lot less of it to much the same effect. IME, well chosen social moderators can be just as effective at promoting kino from a woman and yes, P83 can help a bit but its not an attraction promoter in the same way as P75 &/or a social/sexy mix on its own. However, where **you** are going to be initiating or in a situation where you will be in close proximity and touching a lot that P83 really gives its best. Dancing, concerts, crowds etc. > > And if I was faced with the choice, I would keep the P75 over the P83 for many daytime scenarios with Summer Ammo - Those two go so well together and if you are prone to positive self effects from it, then all the better. 🙂 WHat if its not daytime but nighttime (evening) at a restaurant…? Then what? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-good-combo/57839/18 "2013-01-16T11:59:29Z")
Yes, I’d have the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) out for that and looking to move on from interacting across the table, into territory where more close proximity and physical contact and escalation are in order.