# Ammo + IS or Ammo Summer + Something else? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 29, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565 "2012-08-29T22:47:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/1 "2012-08-29T22:47:01Z")
Been looking into the differences between [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Ammo Summer, and how it contains the molecule that is the basis of IS. So I’ve heard that I don’t really need IS with the summer version. But I have also heard that Ammo Summer is notably less “sexy” I guess you would say, than the original Ammo. So I’m a bit at a loss which I should go for… and which second social I should pair with it. Regular Ammo with IS or… Ammo Summer with say… IG? Needing some tips here. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/2 "2012-08-30T00:36:43Z")
Really, the only way is to try them and see what works for you. Its near impossible to say what might be better until you see how they mesh with your own body chemistry, personality and social whirl. All I can say is that all of those are good pheros that can go well singly or together in a good range of situations. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/3 "2012-08-30T08:44:57Z")
I agree with mobo, like usual, on this. Ammo summer is pretty solid stuff but a long time ago they used to sell ammo 1.5 version which again had the TAA molecule built right in. I don’t recall reading ever that it was less sexy and from personal experiences I think this summer edition rocks. I have worn it quite a bit with super results. I’m not sure how a molecule sprayed from a separate nozzle (Ishine) will not effect the sexiness of a product when that same molecule is added to said product and sprayed through the same nozzle. Now as a [pheromone](https://a314.com/) hobbyist and enthusiast who makes quite a bit of blends for friends I know a molecule added to a blend can greatly alter the chemistry of the blend. What I haven’t come to agree with is that by taking two molecules in separate bottles and using your skin as a palate to create magic is then going to change the formula if both used in a single bottle. Of course that’s if you get the measurements right and I’m sure with their expertise AD has gotten the measurements right. I do read about it often though that some members believe if you take 10 mcg of TAA and 10 mcg of ENONE and put it in one bottle you get 10 of each per spray. Game show Gong here! Wrong, what you get is a diluted version of what you would have on the skin. Then if you further dilute it with other fragrances and alcohol or DPG that all has to be accounted for. Why I mention this, my friend, is that you have to take others reports at face value, and like mobo wrote make the determination based on your personal experience. I’m certainly not saying the people who reported that didn’t themselves experience what they reported but there are a lot of variables to consider. What I am saying is to make your own decision based on your own experiences. With the to go bottles, reward points, gift certificates, and all the other specials you can very easily pick up both bottles of Ammo and a to go of instant shine to determine what works best for you. The community is here to back you up and learn from your experiences just like you can do from hours. Go forth be happy and enjoy your life setting the path for others to follow rather than following along with others. ---
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/4 "2012-08-30T18:00:31Z")
Thank you for the information guys! I ended up ordering regular Ammo and IS, and I’ll just accumulate the rest later! ---
**Author:** ![andoboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@andoboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andoboy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/5 "2012-09-11T21:17:18Z")
I have a question and I’d like to jump in if I could (sorry, I know the threads old but I figured replying is better than making a new thread and clogging the forum): Seeing that Ammo Summer Edition has TAA and [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/), could it in theory be worn on wrists more readily than regular Ammo, without having to hide it under clothes for example? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/6 "2012-09-12T04:22:12Z")
You can wear either Ammo on the wrists fine - Just remember that wrists are generally not so good app points to begin with. Esp for none, which does seem to work best around the centre (neck/thoat) areas. And I would be wary of putting any Ammo under clothing - Spraying under light clothing is a tactic young guys use with very overt none like TUTH or IJ to try and slow diffusion a bit. Ammo’s better balance rarely needs that, so get it out where it can diffuse, unless you have had very clear evidence of OD - And then, cutting the dose would still be better. ---
**Author:** ![andoboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@andoboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andoboy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/7 "2012-09-12T06:30:23Z")
But wouldn’t the neck area only be effective if people got close? It seems the wrists would work great, especially if someone is very active with their hands while speaking, in getting the mones into someone else’s nose. For the neck area, they would have to diffuse well enough and be able to linger around the general area of the person, no? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/8 "2012-09-12T06:39:28Z")
Because of the amount of blood flow under the skin, the neck/throat are is about the best places for diffusion on your whole body and you can expect a good range of typically 8-12 feet from skin applications there but yes, the pulse points on your wrists are also reasonable and talking with your hands does help. However the blood flow and so diffusion is lower. Forearms are reasonable too. Broadly, I tend to use socials mainly on my wrists/forearms, with only a little none, whilst most of the none goes on the throat/neck area - think how a sexualised interaction builds naturally and how it becomes more intense as you get closer to each other - that is **exactly** why you want the none exposure to be strongest when she is closest to you. Right-up to the point when she’s got her head buried in your neck and paying particular attention to your none points in bed! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/9 "2012-09-19T22:17:40Z")
Ammo IS, or Ammo summer p75.. Both great combos in my opinion. You can alternate both for more variety. ---
**Author:** ![Jared28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/aca169/32.png) [@Jared28](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jared28)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/10 "2012-09-26T00:46:39Z")
I know this is off topic but Why wont it let me order with a Debit card from the Online ordering website? It the options are with Credit card, paypal and some others But it didnt have the Debit Option? so im just curious Can you buy any of the Products with Debit card or does it have to be a Credit card and Paypal? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/11 "2012-09-26T00:50:22Z")
Order issues are for the Store Forum or more usefully and securely, a direct email to Mickaelia, Steve or John. ---
**Author:** ![Jared28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/aca169/32.png) [@Jared28](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jared28)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-ammo-summer-something-else/56565/12 "2012-09-26T10:39:41Z")
Okay found the Problem, My Debit card wasnt activated , so I activacted it and I just ordered Ammo Summer edition and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) Both to go, Hopefully it works for me, I am 21 years old so what kind of Results should i Expect seeing with these two colognes? and Thanks for your help MoboCaster i appreciate it for replying.