# Ammo + IS or How to get things to the next level? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 30, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388 "2008-12-30T23:39:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/1 "2008-12-30T23:39:04Z")
At the very beginning, please excuse my poor English. I’m 28, straight Caucasian male. I’ve been using [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS for a while and got tons of hits. Looks like girls really dug me when using those. After some flirting, a bit of a hot conversation and exchanging phone numbers, looks like it’s been a tough time for me to get things to the next level. Girls simply decide to play games or just to ignore me. This scenario keeps repeating: I get their phone numbers, then receive an SMS tomorrow, usually in the morning, I reply to it and then never get an answer (until I see them next time in person, when they look uninterested). I’ve never had problems with my looks. I’m 28, a bit chubby (not fat, 6ft/185lb - 184cm/84kg), but always neat and stand out (in a good manner). I’m a bit inhibited when initiating conversations, but once it starts, I have no problems maintain it. I find myself a social person of upper mid class (comparing to the rest of people here in Serbia). I’m most of the time a nice guy (not a geek), which I notice older females really like (gentlemen behavior). I practice clubbing 4 to 5 days a week and my targets are mainly females 18 to 21 yo. Do you have any suggestion what to do to get things to the next level? Maybe some combo you’d recommend? 🙂 Or anything else… ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/2 "2008-12-30T23:45:15Z")
I forgot to mention that I’ve been using to-go bottles of: Ammo 1x (3 sprays) and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x (1 to 1 1/2 sprays) Found out those work best for me (so far). ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/3 "2009-01-01T17:45:52Z")
anyone?.. ---
**Author:** ![jfish09](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jfish09/32/1681_2.png) [@jfish09](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jfish09)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/4 "2009-01-01T17:51:31Z")
I thought I read a similar post and one of the experts suggested some A314. I’m sure you will get a post from them soon. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/5 "2009-01-01T18:19:38Z")
Hi deeddy I sorry can you tell me what SMS is ? Is that like a text message ? Just to be sure to, they send the SMS initiating contact the next day and then never reply to your SMS ? Do you reply right away ? Do you act really interested in seeing them again ? Then they ignore you when they see you. After my questions are answered I will give some suggestions. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![propellerhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@propellerhead](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/propellerhead)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/6 "2009-01-02T02:22:45Z")
Explain “next level”. Are you looking to bang them or potentially form a LTR with them? As far as trying to form an LTR, in my experience A314 can help create a solid bond, but that’s with the 25-40 year old demographic. I have no recent personal experience with 18-21 year old girls as they don’t interest me aside from being eye candy. ---
**Author:** ![Shedding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Shedding](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shedding)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/7 "2009-01-02T12:31:18Z")
Yep Tisha.. SMS (Short Message Service) is the standard name for a text message 🙂 > [@tisha23](#): > > Hi deeddy > > I sorry can you tell me what SMS is ? Is that like a text message ? > > Tisha ---
**Author:** ![marsgate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marsgate/32/168_2.png) [@marsgate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marsgate)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/8 "2009-01-02T20:29:52Z")
> [@Shedding](#): > > Yep Tisha.. SMS (Short Message Service) is the standard name for a text message 🙂 I have studied attraction theory extensively for the past year. Your phero mix is excellent, as proven by your many positive results in the club. Changing pheros will not solve this problem. When you get a text message from a girl, don’t text her back immediately. This displays lower value. NEVER text the following things: -What are you doing today? -I had fun last night -Want to go out today/some time? You want to be the one adding value to all interactions, not soliciting value from her. When she texts you in the morning your mission is to be FUNNY + BAIT HER with something cool you’re doing that day. Example: Let’s say you gave her a nickname of Shorty the night before. “It’s Shorty! Haha. I’m actually getting ready to hit my favorite coffee shop at 1pm…it’s liquid cocaine. You should come!” Never do lunch dates or movies on a first date…too traditional, too high-pressure. Look for fun unique dates that entail bouncing to multiple venues. ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/9 "2009-01-02T22:59:01Z")
Lol at SMS. In Asia like in Europe we say SMS as well. And when I came to USA everytime I said ‘SMS’ people were like, “What?!?” LOLOLOL ---
**Author:** ![r3mpuh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/r3mpuh/32/584_2.png) [@r3mpuh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/r3mpuh)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/10 "2009-01-03T00:15:54Z")
> [@jankren](#): > > Lol at SMS. In Asia like in Europe we say SMS as well. And when I came to USA everytime I said ‘SMS’ people were like, “What?!?” LOLOLOL Woot? USA don’t use the word SMS o.O? Random american: :O! I just got a short message on my mobile phone.^^ ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/11 "2009-01-03T15:35:23Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hi deeddy > > I sorry can you tell me what SMS is ? Is that like a text message ? > > Just to be sure to, they send the SMS initiating contact the next day and then never reply to your SMS ? Do you reply right away ? Do you act really interested in seeing them again ? > > Then they ignore you when they see you. > > After my questions are answered I will give some suggestions. > > Tisha sms = short message system. yes it’s a cell phone message. i usually replay within an hour or two. yep, i act as i usually do - i’m quiet open for communication and really like meeting new people. and no, they do not completely ignore me, but they pretend they’re not interested at all anymore (maybe they aren’t for real). what am i doing wrong? i’ve seen marsgate’s reply and found it sounds sooo familiar…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![marsgate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marsgate/32/168_2.png) [@marsgate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marsgate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/12 "2009-01-03T18:54:30Z")
> [@deeddy](#): > > sms = short message system. yes it’s a cell phone message. > > i usually replay within an hour or two. yep, i act as i usually do - i’m quiet open for communication and really like meeting new people. > > and no, they do not completely ignore me, but they pretend they’re not interested at all anymore (maybe they aren’t for real). what am i doing wrong? i’ve seen marsgate’s reply and found it sounds sooo familiar…🙂 Not sure what you mean by familiar…the legendary Style invented some of this stuff, I’m just trying to help you out. Bro, I hope you’re not inviting her to dates via text message. I shouldn’t have provided that example…that’s for later in the dating phase. If you met her in a club, you should SMS that night “Hey [Nickname], we’re at Pizza Palace. Did you get home safe?” Ignore her response unless she wants to join you at Pizza Palace. The next day in the early afternoon you CALL her to bait her with your cool plans for the day and mention she should tag along. The unfortunate event of an interested girl going cold on you the following morning is a well documented phenomenon. My guess is that you’re defining success as getting the girl’s phone number. Your mission should be to really build comfort/connection with the girl (after building sufficient attraction) so she will return your calls and remain interested the next day. Another tip is to bait her with your cool plans for the following day the night you meet her…then you have a REASON to get her number and she will have already COMMITTED to hanging with you. In the attraction community we call this “setting up a time-bridge” ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/13 "2009-01-03T19:09:39Z")
> [@marsgate](#): > > Not sure what you mean by familiar…the legendary Style invented some of this stuff, I’m just trying to help you out. Bro, I hope you’re not inviting her to dates via text message. I shouldn’t have provided that example…that’s for later in the dating phase. If you met her in a club, you should SMS that night “Hey [Nickname], we’re at Pizza Palace. Did you get home safe?” Ignore her response unless she wants to join you at Pizza Palace. The next day in the early afternoon you CALL her to bait her with your cool plans for the day and mention she should tag along. > > The unfortunate event of an interested girl going cold on you the following morning is a well documented phenomenon. My guess is that you’re defining success as getting the girl’s phone number. Your mission should be to really build comfort/connection with the girl (after building sufficient attraction) so she will return your calls and remain interested the next day. > > Another tip is to bait her with your cool plans for the following day the night you meet her…then you have a REASON to get her number and she will have already COMMITTED to hanging with you. In the attraction community we call this “setting up a time-bridge” are you trying to reffer to Neil Strauss’ “The Game”? looks like i’ll have to finish reading it at last. the thing with the “time-bridge” is what i was looking for. you were completely right, i have to work on my pua skills and yeah, marsgate, the phero mix was just about right, but FOR the ATTRACTION phase! looks like i expected something more. maybe i should just wait for tisha’s suggestion to spice up the mix a bit, and try to build comfort and strengthen the connection… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/14 "2009-01-06T10:03:24Z")
I hope Tisha will be back soon… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ovaltine99](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ovaltine99/32/2228_2.png) [@ovaltine99](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ovaltine99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/15 "2009-01-06T10:06:43Z")
Try to actually give them a call and not a SMS (i’m assuming that is a txt message). Its easy to blow off and ignore non-personal forms of conversation, even though a phone call is not really that personal, its better then a SMS. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/16 "2009-01-06T13:21:41Z")
Deedy, firstly Serbian girls r so friggin hot, im jealous. What u r experiencing is very common with androstenone products and are there main drawback. I have lost count of the number of times ive had extreme arousal and interest from girls and they mysteriously flake or dont respond to SMS’s when you try to follow up. The reason is that the sexual arousal, partly activated by the Androstenone will later also activate there ASD mechanism or anti slut defence. In essence, they’re embarassed that they were so attracted and aorused by you at the time. They wake up the next morning and perhaps r embarassed by there memory of this intense attraction and thus ASD is activated. they dont want to feel slutty. The solutions r twofold. 1. While IS goes a long way to buffering -none and Ammo itself may be considered a well buffered product, perhaps wear less Ammo - try 1 or 2 sprays not 3, and further buffer with IH and -rone products like a314 or mx103. 2. Try as mnuch as possible to try to seal the deal on the night. Then u wont have flakeage at all. This is my big mistake. I forget that while they must already have an existing attraction, the androstenone is really bringing it to the front, to the surface, then and there and in that moment. U must realise that the -none attraction wears off when u r no longer in there presence. Thus the next mroning when u SMS 'em, they cant interpret the attraction any more. 3. So another reason for flakeage is u didnt act in that moment and try to get the girl then and there when u had the -none advantage. They are dissapointed to such an extent as u were making them so aroused, that u rarely get a 2nd chance. Obviously they were attracted to more than just the Ammo, u must have played a big part to, but i am talking the type of high interest level that can wear off when they r no longer in your presence and not in your [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) cloud. Thus they wake up the next morning and think “yeah cute guy, nice guy, aint aroused any more” This is my main issue with Ammo or none type products. 1. Another solution is to go with more memorable, yet also sexual -mones. unfortunately, -none bases r 1 night stand fodder. The girl may even resent u the next day. Anything that can arouse like that also can make her feel cheap and slutty because u didnt follow through that night. so, 2. Try IFM or a314 mixes as they r more memorable. For some reason, NPA has given me good follow up with girls, as has p83. [p79 similar to -none’s lack of memorability imho]. a good standard is iFM/IS/IO the “obsession mix”. ---
**Author:** ![Sethy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sethy/32/1625_2.png) [@Sethy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sethy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/17 "2009-01-06T15:42:51Z")
deedy, just go ahead and finish reading The Game. Also get your hands on the Annihilation Method. Some good confidence building in that stuff. Its pretty advanced and I wouldint say anything more about it. Ive been through alot of that stuff and use it fairly constantly when and If I do go out. Sometimes I even let the girl know what im doing and its as if they dont really care when I talk to them. Some good stuff. Plus packed with Pheros is even better id imagine. make sure you have alot of options with girls when you do get numbers, Girls love the phone messages and chances you arent the last or first guy they texted in the day. Keep your head up Good Luck Bro Youre with people who actually care here. ---
**Author:** ![Sethy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sethy/32/1625_2.png) [@Sethy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sethy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/18 "2009-01-06T15:50:05Z")
> [@Sethy](#): > > deedy, just go ahead and finish reading The Game. Also get your hands on the Annihilation Method. Some good confidence building in that stuff. Its pretty advanced and I wouldint say anything more about it. Ive been through alot of that stuff and use it fairly constantly when and If I do go out. Sometimes I even let the girl know what im doing and its as if they don’t really care when I talk to them. Some good stuff. Plus packed with Pheros is even better id imagine. > make sure you have alot of options with girls when you do get numbers, Girls love the phone messages and chances you aren’t the last or first guy they’ve texted in the day. > > Keep your head up > Good Luck Bro > Youre with people who actually care here. One thing I forgot to add, make sure that you make a psychological impact as well as a physical one. Pheros work on a physical aspect than psychological. You have to let that brilliant personality out MAN!!! Just waking up, forgive the mistakes lol. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/19 "2009-01-06T16:18:59Z")
Mahalo silver makes some valid points but there is a culture difference here. But there is one thing that no matter all the culture differences remains and that the courtship dance. In serbia girls may not be as quick to have a sexual relationship as US or Europians. Its depends on culture. > [@](#): > > and no, they do not completely ignore me, but they pretend they’re not interested at all anymore (maybe they aren’t for real). what am i doing wrong? i’ve seen marsgate’s reply and found it sounds sooo familiar…🙂 > [@](#): > > I hope Tisha will be back soon… 🙂 😃 Bet you thought I was ignoring you huh LOL Nope I am getting hammered with intros and work and have been a busy bee but I didnt forget that adorable face. Women will pretend they are not interested, its called playing hard to get, its all part of the courtship dance. I have a post on it somewhere in my 10000 posts LOL We want men to chase a little. Make us feel special. The trick is to not go overboard chasing. You dont want to do all the dancing. You show a little interest then pull back show them that they have to work for your interest as well. This is displaying higher value in the PUA world. They thought they made it up but its a dance as old as time. (snort) 😉 So they SMS you and you SMS back right away or within a few hours . Make them wait a little then get back to them tell them you were busy or something. Flirt a little. Dangle the bait in front of them and when they reply dangle the bait again. Like the example marsgate used. You ever go fishing ? It like that. Drop the bait in the water and entice them, they approach, you pull the bait away a little, then slowly let it drift towards them again, they approach and the dance go’s on till just the right moment when the fish strikes and you got um. Hope that didnt confuse you. Tisha 😉 ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388/20 "2009-01-07T12:19:10Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Mahalo silver makes some valid points but there is a culture difference here. But there is one thing that no matter all the culture differences remains and that the courtship dance. In serbia girls may not be as quick to have a sexual relationship as US or Europians. Its depends on culture. > > 😃 Bet you thought I was ignoring you huh LOL Nope I am getting hammered with intros and work and have been a busy bee but I didnt forget that adorable face. > > Women will pretend they are not interested, its called playing hard to get, its all part of the courtship dance. I have a post on it somewhere in my 10000 posts LOL > > We want men to chase a little. Make us feel special. The trick is to not go overboard chasing. You dont want to do all the dancing. You show a little interest then pull back show them that they have to work for your interest as well. This is displaying higher value in the PUA world. They thought they made it up but its a dance as old as time. (snort) 😉 > > So they SMS you and you SMS back right away or within a few hours . Make them wait a little then get back to them tell them you were busy or something. Flirt a little. Dangle the bait in front of them and when they reply dangle the bait again. Like the example marsgate used. > > You ever go fishing ? It like that. Drop the bait in the water and entice them, they approach, you pull the bait away a little, then slowly let it drift towards them again, they approach and the dance go’s on till just the right moment when the fish strikes and you got um. > > Hope that didnt confuse you. > > Tisha 😉 i was sure you’ll come up with an useful advice and i was right! 🙂 i already applied your tips and there were some very positive results. it’s too early to say, but after this evening, i’ll know much more. i’ll follow up with some details tomorrow. wish me good luck! 🙂 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-is-or-how-to-get-things-to-the-next-level/24388.md?page=2)