# Ammo vs alpha 7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 31, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084 "2011-10-31T15:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Latinboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc29f/32.png) [@Latinboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Latinboy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/1 "2011-10-31T15:04:23Z")
Hi everyone, i found my sweet spot with alpha 7 is one drop, i use this with Ih and its great for me i am almost 28, i found that one drop of alpha 7 is 21 mcg of none and regular ammo is 2.5 mcg of none per spray, if 3 sprays of ammo is 7.5 mcg of none why this 3 sprays are OD for me if i use one drop of alpha 7 and got 21 mcg, so i dont understand why its like this??? ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/2 "2011-10-31T15:08:25Z")
I believe alpha 7 is oil based so it will diffuse much slower then the alcohol based ammo. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/3 "2011-10-31T15:15:16Z")
Yes - Oil dillutions require a much higher concentration to be effective and offset the slower diffusion. I’ve read of 7-12x greater where other pheros are concerned, so 21mcg in oil vs 2.5mcg in alcohol does not seem unreasonable. Even then, none-based oils still have the slowburn effect which can be used to great effect in close proximity/confined space situations. 😉 Have you any idea what the ratio of none to other pheros is in A7? That can also be a factor. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/4 "2011-10-31T16:05:19Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - Oil dillutions require a much higher concentration to be effective and offset the slower diffusion. > > I’ve read of 7-12x greater where other pheros are concerned, so 21mcg in oil vs 2.5mcg in alcohol does not seem unreasonable. > > Even then, none-based oils still have the slowburn effect which can be used to great effect in close proximity/confined space situations. 😉 > > Have you any idea what the ratio of none to other pheros is in A7? That can also be a factor. The bottle is said to contain 7 mg none and 1 mg rone. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/5 "2011-10-31T16:11:30Z")
Ok, 7:1 thats a fairly potent ratio! 🙂 The none oil I use most often is 2:1.5:1 (none:nol:rone) and I’ve had some pretty dramatic results from that! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/6 "2011-10-31T16:48:30Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ok, 7:1 thats a fairly potent ratio! 🙂 > > The none oil I use most often is 2:1.5:1 (none:nol:rone) and I’ve had some pretty dramatic results from that! 😃 And what oil would that be? I made a home brew I haven’t tried properly yet, only once but it seems to kick ass. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/7 "2011-10-31T16:53:35Z")
I have Alpha7 and I usually combine it with A314 and some socials. A7 is good but I think it’s a somewhat crude mix. I doubt there are any steering molecules, just none and a little rone. Still more complex than Primal instinct, which is said to contain none only. I mostly like that one for the ylang ylang scent, it smells very nice. Have to buffer it with all kinds of shit though. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/8 "2011-10-31T18:35:32Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > And what oil would that be? Alter Ego of course. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/9 "2011-10-31T18:40:49Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Alter Ego of course. 🙂 I have it, but may have been overlooking it since I’ve bought so many products. Need to try that one more often. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/10 "2011-10-31T18:42:54Z")
Well worth it - AE dovetails nicely with quite a few AD products. There are a few useful threads if you want to search. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/11 "2011-10-31T18:45:28Z")
I know you’ve said it works well with A314 and I tried that combo once or twice. The one time I remember well gave great respect from other guys. Never had much of a chance to see how the ladies would respond. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/12 "2011-10-31T18:55:51Z")
Its brilliant if you are going for a drive with someone, the sloburn of the oil hits really well in confined spaces - I’ve been asked to “pull-over and do things!” on a surprising number of occasions when wearing it. And it lasts for ages, so you can expect the same on the way back too! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/13 "2011-10-31T20:46:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Its brilliant if you are going for a drive with someone, the sloburn of the oil hits really well in confined spaces - I’ve been asked to “pull-over and do things!” on a surprising number of occasions when wearing it. > > And it lasts for ages, so you can expect the same on the way back too! 😃 I’m finding Alpha 7 to be really versatile.. I’ve used it in different ways and mixes though I like ammunition too. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/14 "2011-10-31T21:37:53Z")
Horses for really - with that none/nol ratio, I wouldn’t expect A7 to do well in certain situations but [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) would be a lot better instead. I wonder if you could use a small amount of A7 to up the none ratio beside Ammo - which would maybe give it a more immediate sexual punch but still retain a good part of its balanced nature? ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/15 "2011-10-31T22:09:12Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Horses for really - with that none/nol ratio, I wouldn’t expect A7 to do well in certain situations but Ammo would be a lot better instead. > > I wonder if you could use a small amount of A7 to up the none ratio beside Ammo - which would maybe give it a more immediate sexual punch but still retain a good part of its balanced nature? Actually A7 seems to contain no nol whatsoever, just a little rone. I have used it along with A314 and keeping the A7 to just one drop and added socials, sometimes IO, sometimes IH and I also tried WAGG. Any of these combos is good. The fine thing with A7 is that it’s oil based. Sadly all those socials wear off or convert while A7 and A314 keep going till the sun comes up. I have however not had negative experiences. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/16 "2011-10-31T22:39:34Z")
> [@Misein](#): > > Actually A7 seems to contain no nol whatsoever, just a little rone. DUH! Sorry - getting a bit dozy now. :o 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![leaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ec9cab/32.png) [@leaf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leaf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/17 "2011-10-31T23:33:41Z")
could be 2 factors. 1. oil takes longer to hit others around you. 2. alpha 7 could be lying about the amount of -none in its product. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ammo-vs-alpha-7/53084/18 "2011-11-01T07:03:03Z")
> [@leaf](#): > > could be 2 factors. > > 1. oil takes longer to hit others around you. > 2. alpha 7 could be lying about the amount of -none in its product. The first one is correct for sure. About the second I can’t tell, but I’m sure -none is present.